2012 Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread

[italstallianion]

I like what the Astros are doing. They are committed to selling, and have begun to recoup what has been consistently known as one of the worst farm systems in the majors, and saved a bit on payroll by trading Carlos Lee, JA Happ, Brandon Lyon, Brett Myers, and now Wandy Rodriguez.

[SemperFi Sox]

I'm getting the feeling Cherington isn't going to do jack s*** by the deadline. Maybe a Lillibridge type deal which he's best suited for.

[SoxSport]

Yeah--we'll have to call him "Lillibridge" Cherington.

[a700hitter]

I heard that Hamels signed an extension with the Phillies. That takes that pipe dream off the table. So many people were unconcerned when we added no pitching this off season, because they felt confident that we would land Cain or Hamels. Well, they are both off the table. Greinke is left. There are no aces available as FA's this off season other than Greinke. They missed the boat in not getting Gio Gonzalez.

 

There will be no bold moves by Cherries at the deadline this season. There will be no ace added to the staff and HanRam went to te Dodgers. It will be essentially the same team to finish the season. As a sports talk guy in NY says: You can lock that up.

[a700hitter]

I'm getting the feeling Cherington isn't going to do jack s*** by the deadline. Maybe a Lillibridge type deal which he's best suited for.

That is about his speed. He tinkers with a roster. I really don't think he is the guy to rebuild this roster, and this roster needs to be shaken up. Big moves to and from need to be made.

[SemperFi Sox]

This FO is not committed to winning like they were in the past. They are too caught up in the pink hat fan experience and what's good for them. Stop plugging your f***ing bricks and your f***ing Fenway books and improve our baseball team. The die hard fans of this team (for the most part) want to start selling so we have a brighter future in 2013 and beyond.

[Laser Show]

Greinke will end up in Texas by July 31. They need starters desperately and have plenty of farm depth, so I could see them renting him for a few months. I really thought we'd make some big moves, but it looks like we'll end up at around .500 with mostly the same roster next year.

[jung]

Gio really was the one that got away. Yea there was some risk involved but when you look at the situations that the Sox have walked into with their eyes wide open and not blinked, Gio's issues should not have been hard to deal with.

 

As I recall, Gio would not have required the moon and the stars at the time but it would take just about the moon and stars now. When you consider the half baked deals the Sox have agreed to, deals they probably can't find anybody fool enough to let them out from under, Gio would have looked like a deal that could be done and they actually would have increased the overall asset value on this team. The asset value vs. the cost is really getting to be an issue. I suspect nobody is willing to help the Sox get out from under Crawford's deal and in reality so many Sox players are viciously overpaid at this point with nobody likely to take them without the Sox kicking in a substantial piece of salary even if they are playing close to their potential.

[kapsis21]

ST. LOUIS -- The Dodgers will announce on Wednesday the acquisition of infielder Hanley Ramirez and left-handed reliever Randy Choate from the Miami Marlins for starting pitcher Nathan Eovaldi and Minor League pitcher Scott McGough, according to a baseball source.

 

The move -- with the Dodgers picking up nearly $40 million in contract obligations -- initially addresses the club's critical need for more offense, although it also heightens the search for a starting pitcher like Ryan Dempster.

f*** Ben Cherrington

[SemperFi Sox]

If Cherington trades Xander for Greinke I'm going to burn down Fenway.

[jung]

I am not sure you can blame BC for what went down with the Marlins and hamram. I think the key takeaway from the deal announcement was the amount of money LA picked up in contract commitments and the amount the Marlins let go of.

 

If this was going to be Crawford for hamram, I think that Boston would have had to pay part of Crawfords pay even if Crawford were going good and did not have a defective elbow. If there was a deal in the works after the Marlins scouted Crawford I would not be surprised if they just made the amount of contract money obligation the Sox would have been stuck with in both Hanram and Crawford just to rich....maybe like pick up all of hamram and half of Crawford.

 

That Crawford deal is just deadly. Nobody is going to touch that thing with a ten foot pool especially the way Crawford is playing and with the elbow something that could blow up at any time.

 

If Theo had only not overpaid for Crawford to such a large degree the Sox would have some room to move. What is truly galling is that the reports were that nobody was offering Crawford anything even close to what Boston was offering. That suggests that if they wanted Crawford they could have had him for much less and would not be stuck like this now.

 

Bad bad deal....astronomically bad deal really.

[User Name]

f*** Ben Cherrington

 

Explain why? Trading prospects for Hanley and yet another inflated contract would have been the stupidest thing the Sox could have done.

 

Hanley doesn't fix this team's main issue: Pitching. And even worse, it would have bloated the payroll even more.

 

There needs to be some consistency in the thought process of what the Red Sox actually need to do, instead of a constant complain-fest about every non-move.

[a700hitter]

This FO is not committed to winning like they were in the past. They are too caught up in the pink hat fan experience and what's good for them. Stop plugging your f***ing bricks and your f***ing Fenway books and improve our baseball team. The die hard fans of this team (for the most part) want to start selling so we have a brighter future in 2013 and beyond.

I agree. The FO is full of excuses. They whine about injuries and get their mouthpieces on radio to take up the cause until the fans start drinking the damn Kool Aid. Our offense is where we have had injuries. Yet, we lead the league in runs scored, so the injuries haven't hurt us in that regard. It has been the pitching that has been the problem since day 1. The pitching has not been the victim of injuries. From day 1 it was an obvious problem, but Bobby V and Cherries made one statement after another that they were happy with our pitching. They were either being deliberately misleading or incompetent. Take your pick.

 

The Yankees have been bitten with the injury bug too. They have had some major injuries, but yet they are chugging along and rolling over the competition. The difference in the organizations is obvious. The Red Sox suffer serious injuries to the outfield and they address the issue with Marlon Byrd, Darnel McDonald, Daniel Nava and other assorted cast offs. Some of them, most notably Nava have done an admirable job. The Yankees address their OF issue by getting Ichiro for no financial cost and little in the way of prospects. One organization is committed to winning. The other is committed to selling bricks and revenue streams.

[kapsis21]

Explain why? Trading prospects for Hanley and yet another inflated contract would have been the stupidest thing the Sox could have done.

 

Hanley doesn't fix this team's main issue: Pitching. And even worse, it would have bloated the payroll even more.

 

There needs to be some consistency in the thought process of what the Red Sox actually need to do, instead of a constant complain-fest about every non-move.

 

Crawford after getting hot the first few games is coming right back down to earth.. we really dont need his speed with Ells on the top of the order, and we would have gotten a smasher in Hanram esp with the greenmonster.. he would have been freaking awesome.

 

he is like Manny Ramirez.. you want him at the plate in the 9th inning at fenway..

 

i know we didnt want to get over the 189million and that might have played a favor on not getting him.. but i cannot believe they passed on a deal for getting HanRam.. they could have worked something out.

I know our pitching is weak but i still wanted to see HanRam wear a Redsox uniform.

thats just me. and i think we are going to stand pat at the trade or do something thats not going to be a factor..

 

this trade was something that could have worked perfectly in our favor.

[User Name]

Crawford after getting hot the first few games is coming right back down to earth.. we really dont need his speed with Ells on the top of the order, and we would have gotten a smasher in Hanram esp with the greenmonster.. he would have been freaking awesome.

 

he is like Manny Ramirez.. you want him at the plate in the 9th inning at fenway..

 

i know we didnt want to get over the 189million and that might have played a favor on not getting him.. but i cannot believe they passed on a deal for getting HanRam.. they could have worked something out.

I know our pitching is weak but i still wanted to see HanRam wear a Redsox uniform.

thats just me. and i think we are going to stand pat at the trade or do something thats not going to be a factor..

 

this trade was something that could have worked perfectly in our favor.

 

Think about this: Do you think the Marlins wanted Crawford straight up for Hanley? They're trying to shed salary, not add. The Sox would have probably been stuck footing the bill for the underperforming Heath Bell, at which point, had this trade been made, everyone would have screamed to the heavens the incompetence of this FO.

 

Also, i don't get the Hanley love, he was good in the past, but you're betting on an improvement. You're not expecting his usual production. And he's a known whiner and clubhouse cancer. Do we really need another one of those?

 

Since 2011, Hanley has a .732 OPS with 24 Home Runs in 181 games and a pedestrian OBP to go along with a s***-ton of K's. Those numbers could be easily eclipsed by WMB right now.

 

If you want to be pissed about something, be pissed about moves that make sense (pitching) and not moves that don't make sense (getting another hitter with an attitude problem and inflated contract).

[kapsis21]

Think about this: Do you think the Marlins wanted Crawford straight up for Hanley? They're trying to shed salary, not add. The Sox would have probably been stuck footing the bill for the underperforming Heath Bell, at which point, had this trade been made, everyone would have screamed to the heavens the incompetence of this FO.

 

Also, i don't get the Hanley love, he was good in the past, but you're betting on an improvement. You're not expecting his usual production. And he's a known whiner and clubhouse cancer. Do we really need another one of those?

 

Since 2011, Hanley has a .732 OPS with 24 Home Runs in 181 games and a pedestrian OBP to go along with a s***-ton of K's. Those numbers could be easily eclipsed by WMB right now.

 

If you want to be pissed about something, be pissed about moves that make sense (pitching) and not moves that don't make sense (getting another hitter with an attitude problem and inflated contract).

 

i have heard about clubhouse problem with Hanley, and the fact that his average is down but the Marlins stadium is a monster in LF compared to Greenmonster. his average would have been better here.

 

however there is a good point you make , he does strike out a lot and if it was eating salary then we didnt want that which is what i said that must have turned Ben into not making this deal...

[User Name]

i have heard about clubhouse problem with Hanley, and the fact that his average is down but the Marlins stadium is a monster in LF compared to Greenmonster. his average would have been better here.

 

however there is a good point you make , he does strike out a lot and if it was eating salary then we didnt want that which is what i said that must have turned Ben into not making this deal...

 

It's not only the average man, it's everything. Average, slugging, OBP, stolen bases. What made Hanley so good was his standing as a legitimate five-tool threat. That overcame his always-lousy D at SS. Now his power may have somewhat come back at Fenway, but that doesn't mean getting him while getting into another albatross contract would have made sense.

 

Also, just to drive the point home, Hanley's home/away numbers in 2011-12:

 

2011: Home/away OPS: .679/.730

 

2012: Home/away OPS: .882/.614

 

While last year he hit moderately better on the road than at home, he's hit very well at home this year, and now can't hit on the road. The problems are in his head, and those are the hardest to fix.

[Laser Show]

Think about this: Do you think the Marlins wanted Crawford straight up for Hanley? They're trying to shed salary, not add. The Sox would have probably been stuck footing the bill for the underperforming Heath Bell, at which point, had this trade been made, everyone would have screamed to the heavens the incompetence of this FO.

 

Also, i don't get the Hanley love, he was good in the past, but you're betting on an improvement. You're not expecting his usual production. And he's a known whiner and clubhouse cancer. Do we really need another one of those?

 

Since 2011, Hanley has a .732 OPS with 24 Home Runs in 181 games and a pedestrian OBP to go along with a s***-ton of K's. Those numbers could be easily eclipsed by WMB right now.

 

If you want to be pissed about something, be pissed about moves that make sense (pitching) and not moves that don't make sense (getting another hitter with an attitude problem and inflated contract).

 

I think I'm just frustrated watching other teams get better while we do nothing. We have the pieces to go out and get a Greinke or one of Philly's aces (Lee/Halladay) or someone like that. An ace takes so much pressure off of the rest of our rotation and bullpen.

[User Name]

A pitcher is what they need. Halladay is not the answer. Father time is catching up to him, and he has severe shoulder issues. They don't (and won't) trade Lee after committing long term to Hamels. As for Greinke, he's a head case, and the Sox rotation is a collection of head cases, no need for another one. The Sox' options are extremely limited.

 

At this point, the only two realistic options for the Red Sox are sell are stand pat. Personally, i would sell whatever i can and retool.

[kapsis21]

I think I'm just frustrated watching other teams get better while we do nothing. We have the pieces to go out and get a Greinke or one of Philly's aces (Lee/Halladay) or someone like that. An ace takes so much pressure off of the rest of our rotation and bullpen.

 

i think we are going to stand pat.

[NativeBostonian]

I think we found our ace last night. They don't need to go out and trade for one. Buchholtz will do just fine.

[SemperFi Sox]

I think we found our ace last night. They don't need to go out and trade for one. Buchholtz will do just fine.

 

LOL no.

 

Clay is the definition of inconsistent. Calling his an "ace" is a joke.

[SemperFi Sox]

So apparently ben was trying to trade for hanley to then flip him for someone else. Who the f*** did he think he was going to get for him when the Dodgers just got him for nothing.

[a700hitter]

I find it both amusing and aggravating that the Dodgers, who were in such disarray a year ago that they were under close supervision of the Commissioner's office, are in first place and they are adding a Superstar player and looking to add to their rotation. The Red Sox, one of the premier franchises in the sport, are in last place and can't or won't add any talent to their team or make any big roster moves. I thought it was the Dodgers that were supposed to be the dysfunctional ownership group. Maybe the Red Sox should request that the commissioner be our conservator to get us back on track.

[SoxSport]

It's obvious the Red Sox can't do anything major to improve the team without trading salary. They can't take on more salary for prospects. That's why they have to deal one of their big salary tickets. Crawford, Papi, Beckett, even Ellsbury. In fact, salary has to go if they are even thinking of re-signing Ellsbury.

 

They have themselves between a rock and a hard place.

[Bellhorn04]

Trading Beckett and Salty would be awesome. Probably not gonna happen though. Really feels like nothin' doin'. Maybe we'll get a big surprise though.

[User Name]

Trading Beckett and Salty would be awesome. Probably not gonna happen though. Really feels like nothin' doin'. Maybe we'll get a big surprise though.

 

Last time Lucchino assured a big signing and trade we got Crawford and Gonzo. You really never know with him.

[SoxSport]

I find it both amusing and aggravating that the Dodgers' date=' who were in such disarray a year ago that they were under close supervision of the Commissioner's office, are in first place and they are adding a Superstar player and looking to add to their rotation. The Red Sox, one of the premier franchises in the sport, are in last place and can't or won't add any talent to their team or make any big roster moves. I thought it was the Dodgers that were supposed to be the dysfunctional ownership group. Maybe the Red Sox should request that the commissioner be our conservator to get us back on track.[/quote']

 

 

 

The Dodgers have new ownership. They paid a king's ransom (the local cable TV revenue was built into the selling price--which scared Mark Cuban off). It's a big market LA team. They are looking for ways to spend money--figuring they can raise ticket and parking prices, and the TV revenue will increase in future years.

 

I don't know if Hanley R. is the best way for the Dodgers to spend. But he was available, and maybe they can turn him around if he'll lose 10-15 lbs. He was a lot lighter as SS a few years ago. A missed opportunity for the Red Sox, if they could have really unloaded Crawford for him (and Bell--who looks like he needs some time at a fat farm). Let's face it, their front office, except for drafting, sucks. They aren't aggressive dealing with other teams.

You look at Cherington, and you see a passive type of personality. Not a go-getter.

[Spitball]

I would much, much rather the Sox go after Josh Johnson than an over-weight, on the way down Hanley Ramirez. The Red Sox can score runs, make errors. and have an unhappy clubhouse without that overpaid headcase.

 

Btw, the Dodgers took on his whole contract. It was assumed the Marlins would have to take on a chunk of it to get rid of him.

[NativeBostonian]

LOL no.

 

Clay is the definition of inconsistent. Calling his an "ace" is a joke.

 

He shut down the best offense in the league last night, didn’t he? He is also 4-1 in his eight games. Remember when he went 17-7 with a 2.33 ERA, just two years ago? He has what it takes to be an ace he’s just had a lot of setbacks do to injuries. You may laugh now, but when he becomes an ace I’m going to be the one laughing. By the way guys, we aren't going to get an ace at the deadline. Stop kidding yourselves.