The pessimism thread

[TutGadol]

Screw optimism, this season is lost. It's more then lost, it will be mentioned every time a big team has a bad start for the for coming years.

 

CC will barely play and when he does he won't be above replacement level, Buch will not regain his movement, Beckett will remain poison on a personal level, Bailey won't pitch an inning, Elu's injury will drag much longer. Overall? I say the team will be around the 75-80 wins mark.

[BornToRun]

Oh for the love of God.

[VA Sox Fan]

Oh for the love of God.

 

[italstallianion]

I figure that this entire season has been a pessimism thread. The Red Sox could pay these ridiculous salaries by selling Red Sox brand antidepressants.

[a700hitter]

I figure that this entire season has been a pessimism thread. The Red Sox could pay these ridiculous salaries by selling Red Sox brand antidepressants.

The Red Sox should be sponsored by a psychiatric pharmaceutical company. They should be able to sell plenty of product to Sox fans this season.

[Brennan]

The pessimism is constantly trashed but meanwhile we are halfway through May and firmly cemented in the basement of the division.

 

But we did win 2 games in a row so time to kill anyone who doesn't think the team is a contender.

[BornToRun]

The pessimism is constantly trashed but meanwhile we are halfway through May and firmly cemented in the basement of the division.

 

But we did win 2 games in a row so time to kill anyone who doesn't think the team is a contender.

 

I'm on board with the second part.

[Brennan]

I'm on board with the second part.

 

 

 

Yeah, cause the first part is all wrong.

 

[seabeachfred]

The pessimism is constantly trashed but meanwhile we are halfway through May and firmly cemented in the basement of the division.

 

But we did win 2 games in a row so time to kill anyone who doesn't think the team is a contender.

 

Make that three in a row my friend. However, we have to keep in mind that after winning three straight from the Rays, Twins and White Sox we went back into the tank again. It would be swell if this time we put a real winning streak together and try to get out from under but as long as Beckett, Buchholz and Lester are pitching like a pack of crumbs we will be gasping for air. Tomorrow Lester, who has been nothing short of s*****, has a chance to redeem himself and help us get what we haven't all year....a four game winning streak. Maybe if he can finally do something decent for a change, a few of the pessimistic thoughts around here will start to ebb away.:dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno:

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

This team sucks. The bullpen didn't give up a million runs and we only scored 12 runs? Are you kidding me? That's little league stuff. We should have scored 30 easily.

 

Edit: Before I get attacked, that was sarcasm. Some people can't pick it up no matter how obvious it is. I find this thread to be a joke so I'll treat it like a joke.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

BEN TEH BOOB

[FredLynn]

Make that three in a row my friend. However' date=' we have to keep in mind that after winning three straight from the Rays, Twins and White Sox we went back into the tank again. It would be swell if this time we put a real winning streak together and try to get out from under but as long as Beckett, Buchholz and Lester are pitching like a pack of crumbs we will be gasping for air. Tomorrow Lester, who has been nothing short of s*****, has a chance to redeem himself and help us get what we haven't all year....a four game winning streak. Maybe if he can finally do something decent for a change, a few of the pessimistic thoughts around here will start to ebb away.:dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno::dunno:[/quote']

 

I would have called this thread the "realism" thread. Most of the posts of the so-called pessimists are really based on the team's performance; many are backed up with very solid statistics. As those stats change the opinions of the realists change along with them. While all of us remain fans of THIS TEAM through thick and thin, some people here have at time irrational exuberance and others are more........................realistic.

[Whatsinaname]

This thread ain't half as fun when we're winning.

[mvp 78]

"Realists" before the season: the problem is our 4 and 5 starters and the bullpen.

 

Yeah, that's not how it worked out...

[a700hitter]

"Realists" before the season: the problem is our 4 and 5 starters and the bullpen.

 

Yeah, that's not how it worked out...

That's precisely how it is working out. Bard and Doubront have held their own, but only because the other 3 starters have s*** the bed so badly. We have 5 starters that almost never pitch 7 innings, never mind 8 innings, putting a tremendous strain on an under-manned bull pen spelling disaster for our pitching performance. What has occurred has happened far more rapidly than anybody has anticipated. Speaking for myself, I thought they would hold things together until after the All Star break and then without reinforcements they would implode like last year. I still think they can recover from this start and hold things together until the second half.

[ORS]

That's precisely how it is working out. Bard and Doubront have held their own' date=' but only because the other 3 starters have s*** the bed so badly. We have 5 starters that almost never pitch 7 innings, never mind 8 innings, putting a tremendous strain on an under-manned bull pen spelling disaster for our pitching performance. What has occurred has happened far more rapidly than anybody has anticipated. Speaking for myself, I thought they would hold things together until after the All Star break and then without reinforcements they would implode like last year. I still think they can recover from this start and hold things together until the second half.[/quote']

Not true. Bard and Doubront's performance has not only been good relative to the awfulness of Lester, Beckett, and Buchholz. They have been good at the back end of the rotation independent of those three. MVP's point is legitimate.

[a700hitter]

Not true. Bard and Doubront's performance has not only been good relative to the awfulness of Lester' date=' Beckett, and Buchholz. They have been good at the back end of the rotation independent of those three. MVP's point is legitimate.[/quote']Speaking for myself, I believed that it would necessary for the big 3 to pitch like a big 3 and eat innings. That was a point I made early on, and I don't think it was met with much disagreement. The problem that I had with Bard and Doubront was not talent level or performance. My concern was that they wouldn't be able to go deep into games or deep into the season as starters. My concern was that the top 3 are not the type of horses that will put up the needed 200 innings. They have performed consistently with that concern. Five starters who can only go 5 innings is a bad recipe. The issue, speaking for myself, was not whether Bard and Doubs would perform. I advocate Bard being a starter last August. The concern was the overall construction of the staff and the fallout to a pen which was weaker with no Bard and no Papelbon. We needed an innings eating starter. Jackson is a 200 inning pitcher. He would have given the pen an occasional rest. As it is, everyone in the pen is on high alert every night. Bobby V is trying not to burn them out before the All Star break, which has result n the repeated implosions of Bard and Doubs. The staff and pen are poorly constructed. We have no true ace stopper and no inning eaters. They will pay for that.

[iortiz]

That's precisely how it is working out. Bard and Doubront have held their own' date=' but only because the other 3 starters have s*** the bed so badly. We have 5 starters that almost never pitch 7 innings, never mind 8 innings, putting a tremendous strain on an under-manned bull pen spelling disaster for our pitching performance. What has occurred has happened far more rapidly than anybody has anticipated. Speaking for myself, I thought they would hold things together until after the All Star break and then without reinforcements they would implode like last year. [b']I still think they can recover from this start and hold things together until the second half.[/b]

 

Yup, But our top 3 need to bounce back, otherwise we are done. As I've been saying, this is not about offense.

 

As you said, they need go deeper in games. In the offseason I had my doubts about Buch. I have my doubts about Crawford, Ells, D-K, and Bailey. Everyone thinks that they are going to put the numbers automatically, sincerely I do not expect that. It probably could take a month at least, if so. Still a lot "?s". This season is still a mystery to me. Hopefully all those ?s play in our favor.

[seabeachfred]

Speaking for myself' date=' I believed that it would necessary for the big 3 to pitch like a big 3 and eat innings. That was a point I made early on, and I don't think it was met with much disagreement. The problem that I had with Bard and Doubront was not talent level or performance. My concern was that they wouldn't be able to go deep into games or deep into the season as starters. My concern was that the top 3 are not the type of horses that will put up the needed 200 innings. They have performed consistently with that concern. Five starters who can only go 5 innings is a bad recipe. The issue, speaking for myself, was not whether Bard and Doubs would perform. I advocate Bard being a starter last August. The concern was the overall construction of the staff and the fallout to a pen which was weaker with no Bard and no Papelbon. We needed an innings eating starter. Jackson is a 200 inning pitcher. He would have given the pen an occasional rest. As it is, everyone in the pen is on high alert every night. Bobby V is trying not to burn them out before the All Star break, which has result n the repeated implosions of Bard and Doubs. The staff and pen are poorly constructed. We have no true ace stopper and no inning eaters. They will pay for that.[/quote']

 

I don't even see why you have to argue your point 700; it's as plain as day that Beckett, Lester and Buchholz have not only pitched crappy, but have caused undue pressure on an already overworked bullpen. As far as Doubie doobie doo and Bard are concerned, they aren't exactly inning eaters either. It all comes back to our so-called "Big Three", now masquerading as the "Pig Three", who have not only not been doing the job but have pitched horse dung ball most of this young season. Until they get their s*** together we are going to have to worry every time our team plays. This topic doesn't even warrant an argument; the facts speak for themselves.

[FredLynn]

I don't think that the concerns about our pitching were limited to Doubront and Bard. As I recall, there were many discussions about them, for sure, as well as concerns about the bullpen. Bard and Doubront were unknowns; hence the concern. However, there were also lots of discussions about how our top three SP HAD TO PITCH WELL and be free of injury for the team to be successful.

I think the realists got it right.

[mvp 78]

I think the realists got it right.

 

Complain about everything. One thing falls through. We got it right!

[ORS]

Complain about everything. One thing falls through. We got it right!

Wash, rinse, repeat. Some things never change.

[TutGadol]

This thread ain't half as fun when we're winning.

 

I'm sure the team will hear your call.

[a700hitter]

Complain about everything. One thing falls through. We got it right!

I don't remember anyone complaining about the offense, just the pitching.

[Celticdonnelly]

I'm keeping the faith.

[mvp 78]

I don't remember anyone complaining about the offense' date=' just the pitching.[/quote']

 

Ortiz is old, Sweeney can't hit, Aviles sucks, etc.

[FredLynn]

Complain about everything. One thing falls through. We got it right!

 

You got what right?

As of right now our pitching is still in 13th place in the AL, and we are still in last place.

So far, overall, the team is performing WORSE than any of the "realists" here could have imagined.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't think Red Sox forum posters have to be divided up into the optimist party and the pessimist party but it sure seems to happen a lot. The conflict between the two sides can take on a life of its own, and not usually a good one.

[a700hitter]

Ortiz is old' date=' Sweeney can't hit, Aviles sucks, etc.[/quote']No one said that run production would be a problem so stop being a wise ass.

[a700hitter]

I don't think Red Sox forum posters have to be divided up into the optimist party and the pessimist party but it sure seems to happen a lot. The conflict between the two sides can take on a life of its own' date=' and not usually a good one.[/quote']You are right about that observation. I try to offer my opinions and I don't agree or disagree with other posters because of who they are. I'm tired of posters that look to stick it to other posters on a regular basis no matter how small the issue. It must have confused a number of people on the optimist side that SBF is in complete agreement with them about WMB.