Josh Beckett

[jung]

s***...any team of players that gets an inkling that Beckett might be coming to town is likely to start to string strands of garlic, crosses and wooden stakes around the clubhouse just in case it turns out to be true. Heck most ML baseball games are at night these days.....pretty tough life if you only feel safe for the day games.:D

[3rdManOut]

In this case it seems as though we are just stuck with him then. And if we are then what could the FO do to change him to be more consistent (minus the injuries of course)

[mvp 78]

Beckett just suuuucks... He needs to go away.

[Elktonnick]

In this case it seems as though we are just stuck with him then. And if we are then what could the FO do to change him to be more consistent (minus the injuries of course)

 

Beckett needs to be consigned to the bullpen like Oswalt was by Texas. If he complains TS. He is radioactive. No ML team would want him.

[Palodios]

I swear guys, I wasn't at the game today

 

But seriously, Beckett is a piece of s***. Did anyone hear him call into WEEI and blame his back problems on trade speculation? What a whiney little bitch.

[d-money]

Beckett and Lester have both pitch like garbage.This whole season has been terrible.Gonzalez's power numbers have been a joke.Just not enough to get on winning streaks.

[italstallianion]

All in favour of giving Beckett the "Old Yeller" treatment? Do we still have to pay the rest of his contract if something..."accidentally" happened to him?

[SoxSport]

Josh is cooked. I think Lester and Beckett are out of shape. Think Ortiz. He had to trim down to get his stroke again.

 

It's what I said last fall. The holdovers on this team are soft. They have gotten older and not stayed in shape. I would exclude Pedroia. That's not in his nature.

[Emmz]

Gonzalez has been killing it for a month and everyone's still on his sack? Unreal.

[SoxSport]

Beckett needs to be consigned to the bullpen like Oswalt was by Texas. If he complains TS. He is radioactive. No ML team would want him.

 

I'm afraid this isn't Texas. This is a pretty rigid front office that lives by a certain set of cockamamy rules. One of them is starters don't relieve, another is stolen bases and small ball are for quiche eaters, another is a guy rehabs and rehabs until he gets hurt again--rehabbing. Oddly, one of their rules they seem to have forgotten is we like guys who get walks.

 

Bikini beach volleyball again. Better than watching the Red Sox.

[SoxSport]

All in favour of giving Beckett the "Old Yeller" treatment? Do we still have to pay the rest of his contract if something..."accidentally" happened to him?

 

He's lucky nobody threw a cup of beer at him. It's happened. Somebody should send him a 30-pack of empty beer cans.

 

Daddy Henry has really spoiled his boys rotten. What do you expect after two Championships?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

We can't fault him for lack of effort today. Josh Beckett did everything he could to help the Texas Rangers win.

[jung]

If anything the Rangers helped Beckett out in this game as they could have knocked him out early given all he rotten pitches he was tossing up there this game. The Rangers and about three or four well placed curve balls saved Beckett's ass today. But even with that, look at how many runs he eventually gave up.

 

I have said for awhile that he was done here in Boston....he may be well on the way to done for a career. He has had two years now of trying to make this transition away from mainly being a power pitcher and it is simply not working out. He does know how to pitch and he does work around his various maladies one game to the next but he simply has so many maladies and any or all of them may crop up on any given start.

 

The velo on his FB is what it is now. That is not a malady but it is what forces him to exhibit more control and location that he ever has in his career and that is what fails him. It eludes him more often than not on that 91 mph FB and the cutter and sometimes on the change. Oddly enough much like today he tends to have more success with the curve than you would expect him to have.

 

After two years of watching him try to do this and now hearing him talk about where he puts baseball in the overall scheme of things....he may just be done.

[SCM33]

Welcome aboard everyone!

 

It took a year, but everyone finally agrees

[RedSoxNC84]

Welcome aboard everyone!

 

It took a year, but everyone finally agrees

 

I knew that 2011 Beckett (pre-september) was just too good to be true, but I held out hope that maybe he would break that even year odd year thing and actually pitch well.. I was fooled.

[jung]

For me it was the reality that the Sox would not move Beckett when they had the chance and the further recognition that they were pitching weak going into the 2012 season. If I could have convinced myself that moving Beckett was something they would actually consider when they should have I would have considered it more of something they should do.

 

I really have a difficult time with the so called "experts" insisting that Sox nation would not tolerate the FO getting rid of its so called "stars" at a more optimal time than when their arms have fallen off for a pitcher and when they can no longer see well enough to tell ball from strike for a hitter.

 

It irritates me no end that these experts in sort of a left handed manner blame the fans for the FO inability to move guys insisting on keeping them till past the bitter end. We want to see good baseball...winning baseball and are just as happy if not more so when that winning baseball comes from guys coming up from the system. Claiming that the FO can't move on these bums because we, the fans would be incensed really pisses me off.

[a700hitter]

For me it was the reality that the Sox would not move Beckett when they had the chance and the further recognition that they were pitching weak going into the 2012 season. If I could have convinced myself that moving Beckett was something they would actually consider when they should have I would have considered it more of something they should do.

 

I really have a difficult time with the so called "experts" insisting that Sox nation would not tolerate the FO getting rid of its so called "stars" at a more optimal time than when their arms have fallen off for a pitcher and when they can no longer see well enough to tell ball from strike for a hitter.

 

It irritates me no end that these experts in sort of a left handed manner blame the fans for the FO inability to move guys insisting on keeping them till past the bitter end. We want to see good baseball...winning baseball and are just as happy if not more so when that winning baseball comes from guys coming up from the system. Claiming that the FO can't move on these bums because we, the fans would be incensed really pisses me off.

No one was more beloved than Nomar, but I don't recall the fans storming Fenway in protest when he got traded. Many people were sad to see him go, but it quickly became apparent that the team had improved. It's bogus to blame the fans for the Sox hanging onto these overrated aging players.

[a700hitter]

I realize that this thread is about Beckett, but with Lester's 5-10 record and the team's record of 8-15 in his starts Ican't remember a worse season by a Red Sox starting pitcher that was on a team with the top run producing offense in the league. I just can't remember anyone doing worse over the course of a season. Beckett is a damn close second. The Sox need to move on from both of these guys. They can't be part of the team's plans moving forward. They can't be trusted to take the bump every fifth day and keep the team in games. If Lester was injured, I'd say let him heal up over the off season and give him another chance, but he isn't injured. That is really concerning. He has been healthy, and he has not looked like an ace for even brief stretches this season since opening day. Beckett has had some physical issues, but I don't know if they are just wear and tear which will not get better in the future or if he has some issues (like the thumb) that can be fixed in the off season.

[jung]

I have been of the opinion that Lester was fixable but Beckett not but I can see someone also thinking that Lester needs to go also.

 

What is frustrating about all three (meaning Beckett, Lester, Lackey) is that there are overarching issues that make it hard to believe they have a place on this team going forward. Do we really think that a guy that deflects so much attention away from himself and toward his teammates and coaches, umpires and anything else under the moon and the stars but himself can possibly focus enough attention on the real issues that he needs to resolve in order to perform optimally? Unfortunately, that question is appropriate in all three cases and I would say the answer is unequivocally, no.

 

I was willing to cut Lester some slack all the way up until this last start where once again he just could not contain himself.

 

I often ask folks here to watch baseball games and look at teams outside of Sox baseball games and then ask themselves if anything like the nonsense that surrounds and engulfs this team is remotely apparent to anything like the degree that it is here (I am not referring to substance abuse or domestic violence issues but pure baseball nonsense)....then go and determine which players are generating the bulk of this nonsense and low and behold you generally will find that they are performing farthest from your expectations. Get them outta' here...sooner rather than later.

[kapsis21]

I knew that 2011 Beckett (pre-september) was just too good to be true' date=' but I held out hope that maybe he would break that even year odd year thing and actually pitch well.. I was fooled.[/quote']

 

in that case we trade him next year!!!

[3rdManOut]

Ok ok. So he is with us the rest of this season. Main question of the whole season:

 

Is Beckett back with us next season, yes or no?

 

I say no. Anyone else?

[3rdManOut]

Oops, sorry I made the top post without reading the "who would you have let go on the team" thread" first.

[SoxSport]

He's like a lot of those guys on that team--they aren't in shape.

Papi finally got in shape last year, and look what happened.

 

Watched that Allyson Felix win her 200m heat in a jog the other night while I was making a post here. Predicted she'd win the gold. She just did.

 

The Red Sox will not win the gold this year.

[jung]

Beckett should be gone but he has the same problem Lackey has at this point. Who would take either one with one still on the shelf in rehab and considered clubhouse poison and the other one pitching like s*** and considered clubhouse poison.

 

When two guys have been as vocally and visually f***ed up as these two guys have been, don't think being clubhouse poison gets discounted as much as you might hope. If they are performing up to snuff being clubhouse poison gets discounted. If you are performing like s*** or not at all, being clubhouse poison becomes a factor.

[3rdManOut]

He's like a lot of those guys on that team--they aren't in shape.

Papi finally got in shape last year, and look what happened.

 

Watched that Allyson Felix win her 200m heat in a jog the other night while I was making a post here. Predicted she'd win the gold. She just did.

 

The Red Sox will not win the gold this year.

 

Yeah I watched Felix win as well. It was pretty much the highlight of my TV viewing. Unfortunatley I dont see our team so called "winning gold for the forseeable future.

[cbbosox]

Josh Beckett has made me temporarily forget what a bad signing Crawford was

but........he did get us a World Series so let's not forget about that

[RedSoxNC84]

I say Beckett does his odd year/even year thing next season and goes berserk.. Then we move him at the deadline.

[BornToRun]

Yeah I was wrong on this one. My bad.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

At least you can admit you're wrong unlike others.

[jung]

I would say the Sox will make every effort to move Beckett and will in fact take the best offer made for him. That probably means trying to find somebody that will eat enough of his salary to make the remainder palatable for the Sox. In his case, I do not even think they will be careful about where they send him. He is a 10/5 guy so that already stands in the way.

 

I would say that the best they can expect is to pay half Beckett's salary, getting nothing in return unless somebody gives them some throw in guy they don't care about.

 

I am tired of caring about whether he is hurt or not. What does it matter? He is not going back to 98-97-96-95 or even 94 mph. He will likely be down here at 91 and maybe 92 for whatever remains of his career.