Theo Is Gone - Boston Herald

[SoxSport]

I never thought we would get much from the Cubs because I agree that they hold all the leverage. My fear was that they would just say chuck it and tell us to keep Epstein which to me would be debacle of the first order. I just want the guy gone so we can move on and start clearing the debris that he and his flunkie manager saddled us with. We have a lot of work to do to rid ourselves of the excess trash and the sooner we get to this task the better it will be for all of us.

 

I don't think Lucchino will let this happen. The ownership is in enough trouble with the fans.

The Cubs have a lot to lose not getting Epstein, and the Red Sox have a lot to lose letting him go too easily.

[The Village Idiot]

I also think it's ******** that the Cubs are sticking it to us in these negotiations, because the claim that the Cubs hold all the leverage here is FALSE or this deal would have been locked up weeks ago.

 

Theo is in mid-contract. He could absolutely come back to Boston. What is he going to do if the deal falls through? Completely sabotage his entire career over sour grapes from what his current employer and potential future employer either do or don't do in this negotiations process?

 

Bull s***. The Sox have every right to look at past precedent in the league when something like this has occurred -- which means they SHOULD get value in return -- and stick to their guns. They are absolutely not coming out of this with a couple of BS, low-level prospects, which should be clear to everyone and which people here should be happy about. Not to mention, baseball won't let any announcement come out until the World Series is over anyway, so we're losing nothing here. Don't get panties in wads over the manager's search either. As predicted, the whole beer/chickengate has already practically blown over, and it's clear to everyone in the game that the Red Sox are a successsful, enticing organization in the game that will draw top managerial prospects to the table post-World Series.

 

I for one am glad that we have Lucchino pulling the strings here, hopefully, because I think we're going to come away here with a better package than many of you all are now thinking we are.

 

f*** the Cubs.

[a700hitter]

The compensation should have been decided in advance of the Sox giving the Cubs the right to talk to Theo. It was done ass-backwards. Both sides are in an untenable position to back out at this point.

[SoxSport]

"beer/chickengate? " have to love that.

[doctorron]

I'd love to see a Zambrano/Lackey deal. At least it worth a shot.

[Elktonnick]

I'd love to see a Zambrano/Lackey deal. At least it worth a shot.

 

Crazy for Lazy! I don't think so!

[ORS]

The compensation should have been decided in advance of the Sox giving the Cubs the right to talk to Theo. It was done ass-backwards. Both sides are in an untenable position to back out at this point.

I'm not sure I agree. By letting the Cubs talk to Theo and come to an agreement on contract terms before establishing compensation, you have, in effect, whet their appetite. You've set the hook a little deeper from which to play hardball. Hardball up front might have scared them away. Now you have them very interested.

[a700hitter]

I'm not sure I agree. By letting the Cubs talk to Theo and come to an agreement on contract terms before establishing compensation' date=' you have, in effect, whet their appetite. You've set the hook a little deeper from which to play hardball. Hardball up front might have scared them away. Now you have them very interested.[/quote']I see your point, but we have created a lame duck in the process. How could we tell him that he has to be our GM for 1 more year if there is no agreement?

[Palodios]

I see your point' date=' but we have created a lame duck in the process. How could we tell him that he has to be our GM for 1 more year if there is no agreement?[/quote']

 

Players in walk years are more motivated to do well. How would Theo be any different? Hell, maybe he'll sell the farm for a World Series, and make you happy.

[a700hitter]

Players in walk years are more motivated to do well. How would Theo be any different? Hell' date=' maybe he'll sell the farm for a World Series, and make you happy.[/quote']I'd be okay with that, except he has left us with no farm to sell. Lol! I'd be afraid that he'd make some bad trades with the Cubs.

[a700hitter]

It's official. Compensation to be announced on Tuesday.

 

Theo Epstein re-signs from Red Sox, joins Cubs; compensation undecided

Posted by Scott Lauber at 10:05 pm

 

At last, it’s official: Theo Epstein has left the Red Sox.

 

Epstein has re-signed as general manager of the Red Sox in order to become the Chicago Cubs’ president of baseball operations, according to a joint statement released by the teams tonight.

 

Nine days ago, Epstein agreed to a five-year contract worth an estimated $18.5 million to join the Cubs. But the sides have been unable to agreed on compensation for the Red Sox, who have allowed Epstein out of the final year of his contract. The compensation issue remains unresolved, but it will be by Tuesday, when both teams have scheduled press conferences. At that time, Epstein will be introduced to the media in Chicago, while the Red Sox will announce his successor, presumably Ben Cherington.

 

According to the joint statement, neither team will have further comment until Tuesday, the next scheduled off-day in the World Series.

[seabeachfred]

If what 700 posted is true then that settles the hash. However, I heard that Commisssioner Selig is about to intervene in the case because of the Red Sox insisting the Cubs' offer of compensation is the dregs. Maybe they settled on it and will announce it on Tuesday. We shouldn't accept garbage for Epstein, but on the other hand I don't want this guy back in Boston. I soured on this guy long ago and am convinced he is a miserable judge of talent and has saddled us with a group of players over the years who have been less than desirable------Pena, Lugo, Drew, Snyder, Delcarmen, Seanez, McDonald, just to name a very few.

[jacksonianmarch]

It will be a player package, yet it wont be McNutt, Sczcur, or Jackson

[SoxSport]

I understand Epstein just missed getting hit in the ass as he went out the door.

What a pity. <_>

[jung]

Ya' gotta' find some humor in anything Sox least you end up a basket case. One thing I have found particularly humorous is the older journalists in this town attempting to help the young and defenseless through the maze that is Sox-dom warning them that this is what it was like here all those years, reassuring them that what they thought was their own personal mystery is solved. They no longer have to wonder why when they were much younger they would look up at their fathers and grandfathers and see in their faces that same single unifying question..... "what the f**k just happened?"

 

Ah yes folks....happy days are here again. All we need is a Nixon back in the White House, VW mini-buses runnin' around Comm Ave and gals abandoning their "structured undergarments" and I will feel like the stars have realigned themselves in their normal places in the sky.

 

Only in Sox-dom is there comfort in mutual misery. I lay myself down in a heap next to my Sox dog brethren comforted by the certain knowledge that I will be getting up with LL's fleas. Somebody do me a favor and reach a paw over behind my ear. My legs are pinned under this damned mastiff next to me and I gotta' helluv' an itch.

[ipot]

If what 700 posted is true then that settles the hash. However' date=' I heard that Commisssioner Selig is about to intervene in the case because of the Red Sox insisting the Cubs' offer of compensation is the dregs. Maybe they settled on it and will announce it on Tuesday. We shouldn't accept garbage for Epstein, but on the other hand I don't want this guy back in Boston. I soured on this guy long ago and am convinced he is a miserable judge of talent and has saddled us with a group of players over the years who have been less than desirable------Pena, Lugo, Drew, Snyder, Delcarmen, Seanez, McDonald, just to name a very few.[/quote']

 

He's gone, Fred. And the Cubs are no closer to a WS with him. The game is played on the field. If Epstein really wanted to prove his "genius," he would've campaigned for Beane's job on the A's. Until he can take a 0 payroll team and build them into a contender, we'll never know whether he's "good" or "bad" at what he does.

[SoxSport]

He's gone' date=' Fred. And the Cubs are no closer to a WS with him. The game is played on the field. If Epstein really wanted to prove his "genius," he would've campaigned for Beane's job on the A's. Until he can take a 0 payroll team and build them into a contender, we'll never know whether he's "good" or "bad" at what he does.[/quote']

 

Epstein is an overrated GM because the Sox won two World Series while he was GM.

 

But the Sox would not have won those two World Series without Dan Duquette's players in 04,

and without the trade for Beckett and Lowell in 07, which Theo would surely not have made had he not left the team.

 

Not that Epstein didn't do good things. Hell, yes. But he did a lot of bad things, too, especially in the last year. And he did not spend Henry's money very effectively. His main strength was in the draft and farm system. He had no real concept of team chemistry. That was his biggest weakness. Something Cherington should learn from.

[User Name]

Epstein is an overrated GM because the Sox won two World Series while he was GM.

 

But the Sox would not have won those two World Series without Dan Duquette's players in 04,

and without the trade for Beckett and Lowell in 07, which Theo would surely not have made had he not left the team.

 

Not that Epstein didn't do good things. Hell, yes. But he did a lot of bad things, too, especially in the last year. And he did not spend Henry's money very effectively. His main strength was in the draft and farm system. He had no real concept of team chemistry. That was his biggest weakness. Something Cherington should learn from.

 

That's just silly. No GM operates looking at team chemistry as anything more than a secondary issue. As Joe Torre taught us while he was with the Yankees, it's up to the manager to control the team and maintain their chemistry. Sure, some guys are harder to deal with than others, and you need stand-up guys in the clubhouse, but you hear none of this mumbo-jumbo about things like chemistry when a team is winning.

 

Epstein was neither overrated nor underrated, but he was polarizing. He was worshiped by the fan-boys, but unjustly hated and criticized by the obsessed and the irrational, which yourself and the guy you quoted seem to be. There was no middle ground.

[3rdManOut]

What is the general rule (so to speak) on getting talent from your own farm system as oppose to getting free agents or trades? I guess what I mean is, it sounds more risky to go after free agents instead of within.

 

I suppose to be more specific, in terms of talking about contracts.

[SoxSport]

That's just silly. No GM operates looking at team chemistry as anything more than a secondary issue. As Joe Torre taught us while he was with the Yankees, it's up to the manager to control the team and maintain their chemistry. Sure, some guys are harder to deal with than others, and you need stand-up guys in the clubhouse, but you hear none of this mumbo-jumbo about things like chemistry when a team is winning.

 

Epstein was neither overrated nor underrated, but he was polarizing. He was worshiped by the fan-boys, but unjustly hated and criticized by the obsessed and the irrational, which yourself and the guy you quoted seem to be. There was no middle ground.

 

Dem's fightin' words for a newbie.

 

You apparently never had chemistry in high school. If you ever went to high school.

 

Epstein is one very lucky dude.

[User Name]

Equating real-life chemistry to a subjective concept which may or may not have been an actual problem. I see what you did there.

 

So because i'm new i can't call out stupid when i see it?

[Palodios]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/assets_c/2011/10/609Theo_thank_you-thumb-609x1100-53948.jpg

 

Class act by a great GM.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Very classy.

[a700hitter]

Did you noticed that he thanked me?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He thanked me too old guy, don't get too excited.

[a700hitter]

He thanked me too old guy' date=' don't get too excited.[/quote']Yeah, but I was named by name almost dead center in his letter.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

He was talking about the sellout streak

[a700hitter]

He was talking about the sellout streak

It was a clever way for him to work me in.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Same.

 

He was totally talking about me when he said Fenway Faithful

[a700hitter]

Same.

 

He was totally talking about me when he said Fenway Faithful

You were never named by name, but lumped in with millions of others.