2011-2012 Offseason Thread

[User Name]

The Red Sox have been loading up on all this depth this offseason. Cook' date=' Silva, Padilla, Mortensen.... do you think any single one of those guys could contribute like Wheeler did in 2010? I don't think its even close. They paid 4 million a year for Wakefield for a decade, and they can't pay 2 million on Wheeler? I'm not buying it.[/quote']

 

Remember that they're on split contracts. They make league minimum UNLESS called up to the Bigs. Also, Mortensen isn't even Arb-elegible.

[iortiz]

The Red Sox have been loading up on all this depth this offseason. Cook' date=' Silva, Padilla, Mortensen....[/b'] do you think any single one of those guys could contribute like Wheeler did in 2010? I don't think its even close. They paid 4 million a year for Wakefield for a decade, and they can't pay 2 million on Wheeler? I'm not buying it.

 

...and Miller.

 

Solid Post.

[User Name]

All of those guys make league minimum brah.

[seabeachfred]

There is negativity and then there is reality. We aren't being negative just realistic. As Thomas Aquinas said "Life is tough"

 

Forget it Elk!!!!!! If posters don't take the party line that person just goes ballistic without ever giving her own ideas on how to improve the team because she most likely doesn't know how to do it. I take everything she says with a very fine grain of salt; she means well but she has a beef towards me and a couple of others. Don't give it a second thought.

[Palodios]

All of those guys make league minimum brah.

 

So? The organization still needs to pay them 500k a piece. Even with a 40% luxury tax, we're talking 2.8 million for Wheeler, and if you take out the 500k min for rostered players, he'd really only cost 2.1 over the minimum.

[Elktonnick]

Forget it Elk!!!!!! If posters don't take the party line that person just goes ballistic without ever giving her own ideas on how to improve the team because she most likely doesn't know how to do it. I take everything she says with a very fine grain of salt; she means well but she has a beef towards me and a couple of others. Don't give it a second thought.

 

It is interesting to hear other points of view. However, if you follow the Boston sports media as closely as I do we aren't saying anything that McAdams, Buckley, Mazz, Fegler Callahan, Carfado, Abrahams, Merloni aren't also saying to one degree or another.

[a700hitter]

The Red Sox have been loading up on all this depth this offseason. Cook' date=' Silva, Padilla, Mortensen.....[/quote']

 

.... a cesspool of negative.

This really describes our pitching depth moves.

[Elktonnick]

This really describes our pitching depth moves.

 

LMFAO:D

[iortiz]

Well, seems like today is not going to be the day.... Hopefully tomorrow.

[a700hitter]

Well' date=' seems like today is not going to be the day.... Hopefully tomorrow.[/quote']Another day and no starting pitcher. The good news is that Oswalt and Jackson are still available.

[iortiz]

Another day and no starting pitcher. The good news is that Oswalt and Jackson are still available.

 

... and our new friend Floyd.

[seabeachfred]

I'll give you this one. But how do you replace his production?

 

 

Neither of them are invited to ST. You keep harping on this point although it has been proven false by both Cherington and Valentine who actually work for the Red Sox. Move on.

 

 

 

This is conjecture until the pitching situation has resolved itself. Also, why would you tie yourself long-term to an inferior pitcher when a great crop of SP will be FA next year? Bad idea.

 

 

 

Wrong on this too. They view Lavarnway as a C, where he has the most value. It's easy to find a DH who can hit, but hard to find a catcher who can. Your "coaching and scouting experience" are so wrong about this it's not even funny.

 

 

 

How do you know he didn't? You don't know the internal workings of the Sox. This is speculation at best.

 

Cherington 4, Fred 1. I keep my house, yay!

 

Once again you refuse to face the bald truth. Just two days ago when asked whether he would take up Cherington's offer of an invitation to ST as a non-roster player Varitek said he hadn't made up his mind. Whether Cherington back tracked on this as seems to be the case the fact is HE DID INVITE HIM TO ST and Jason is mulling it over at this moment.

 

As for that pitcher, there is no sure thing of us getting either Cain or Hamels next year. A bird in the hand is worth a helluva lot more than two in the bush, and the Phillies and Giants will go all out to resign those two. We could wind up with some of the garbage we signed this off season.

 

In addition, having never coached or scouted you don't seem to have any real knowledge of just how good a young hitter Lavarnway is. I knew this three seasons back when I predicted this guy was going to be a star. Ask Pumpsie, Muggah and Elk on that if you want to play doubting Thomas.

 

The one place you may have a point is concerning whether Cherington made the case for more money. Seeing is believing and watching that guy in action this off season I have come to the conclusion that this man is very risk averse and tries to play it safe. He is not very dynamic, nor does he appear to be an aggressive GM in the way Daniels, Amaro and Cashman are. I also don't think you every played much baseball; you certainly never coached or scouted---I can tell that by the way you take positions that are for the most part untenable, but you can keep the house. I like mine a lot better.

[a700hitter]

... and our new friend Floyd.

Yes, and he will cost as almost as much $ as the other 2 plus we can give up talent to get him. And he's the worst performer of the three. What a bargain! :thumbsup: But we may have to settle for him. I would not consider him to be a "value acquisition", but what do I know. I don't run a baseball club. They probably have a top secret strategy that I couldn't begin to comprehend.

[mvp 78]

1. There is no "s" in McAdam

 

2. Fred, stop making crap up. That 1st paragraph is nonsense.

[a700hitter]

1. There is no "s" in McAdam

 

2. Fred, stop making crap up. That 1st paragraph is nonsense.

Is there an "s" in Sean? :dunno:

[iortiz]

Yes' date=' and he will cost as almost as much $ as the other 2 plus we can give up talent to get him.[/b'] And he's the worst performer of the three. What a bargain! :thumbsup: But we may have to settle for him. I would not consider him to be a "value acquisition", but what do I know. I don't run a baseball club. They probably have a top secret strategy that I couldn't begin to comprehend.

 

That's exactly my point about this guy.

 

BTW. I don't run a baseball club either

[a700hitter]

That's exactly my point about this guy.

 

BTW. I don't run a baseball club either

Then how is it that you are right so often?

[Elktonnick]

1. There is no "s" in McAdam

 

2. Fred, stop making crap up. That 1st paragraph is nonsense.

 

Thank you for the edit McAdam my executive assistant doesn't work nights.

[SoxSport]

Ever been to Cleveland? No one likes Cleveland' date=' why do think the Browns moved to Baltimore?[/quote']

 

Ha. Well, the Guardians have been an AL team since the early 1900s. In the NFL, Modell moved, but the Browns name stayed in Cleveland. The NFL had gotten burned when the Colts name moved to Indianapolis from Baltimore. That didn't happen in Cleveland.

[example1]

1. I liked Wheeler, thought he was a decent bullpen option.

2. I find it weird that people are suddenly lamenting his loss after not mentioning him for 3 months. How much of a reflection on Bens ineptitude can it be if Wheeler wasn't mentioned in any substantive way this offseason?

[iortiz]

1. I liked Wheeler, thought he was a decent bullpen option.

2. I find it weird that people are suddenly lamenting his loss after not mentioning him for 3 months. How much of a reflection on Bens ineptitude can it be if Wheeler wasn't mentioned in any substantive way this offseason?

 

I did several times E1.

[Elktonnick]

Ha. Well' date=' the Guardians have been an AL team since the early 1900s. In the NFL, Modell moved, but the Browns name stayed in Cleveland. The NFL had gotten burned when the Colts name moved to Indianapolis from Baltimore. That didn't happen in Cleveland.[/quote']

 

No the team moved and changed the name to Ravens. Believe me we know every time the Ravens play in Cleveland. BTW It was poetic license.

[a700hitter]

Ha. Well' date=' the Guardians have been an AL team since the early 1900s. In the NFL, Modell moved, but the Browns name stayed in Cleveland. The NFL had gotten burned when the Colts name moved to Indianapolis from Baltimore. That didn't happen in Cleveland.[/quote']Taking the Colts name and logo from Baltimore was ********. The same goes for the Dodgers in Baseball. What really burns my ass is that the a portion of the proceeds of every licensed piece of Brooklyn Dodgers memorabilia has ended up in the pockets of the LA Dodgers. Those f***s even had the nerve to close down a bar in Brooklyn called the Brooklyn Dodger.

[seabeachfred]

1. There is no "s" in McAdam

 

2. Fred, stop making crap up. That 1st paragraph is nonsense.

 

Your first sentence perplexes me because I don't know what the hell it means MVP unless he was the one who wrote the article, but I'm making nothing up. Varitek was quoted as saying he hadn't made up his mind whether he would show up in Fort Myers. Stands to reason that whatever Cherington said, didn't say, backtracked, whatever, Jason was made to believe that he was invited to ST as a non-roster player.

 

I want to see how this plays out. Believe me, if there is nothing to this I will backtrack myself and issue a mea culpa. If he does show up allow me to say I told you so if that is my choice. I would gladly take the mea culpa, however.

[a700hitter]

1. I liked Wheeler, thought he was a decent bullpen option.

2. I find it weird that people are suddenly lamenting his loss after not mentioning him for 3 months. How much of a reflection on Bens ineptitude can it be if Wheeler wasn't mentioned in any substantive way this offseason?

He's a nice minor league option. If that's all it took to get him, it would have been a "value acquisition." I wouldn't pay $3 million for the guy, but a minor league contract... yes.

[Elktonnick]

Taking the Colts name and logo from Baltimore was ********. The same goes for the Dodgers in Baseball. What really burns my ass is that the a portion of the proceeds of every licensed piece of Brooklyn Dodgers memorabilia has ended up in the pockets of the LA Dodgers. Those f***s even had the nerve to close down a bar in Brooklyn called the Brooklyn Dodger.

 

Tell me about it! Point is that both Cleveland and Baltimore are sucky towns.

[Meh]

Their minor league affiliate is in Columbus. I visited there once. I can't remember a thing about the place.

 

Cleveland is the ghetto but columbus is one of the nicest places in the us. Well the polaris area.

[seabeachfred]

Tell me about it! Point is that both Cleveland and Baltimore are sucky towns.

 

But Brooklyn wasn't Elk. Take 700 and my word for it. Brooklyn was the Dodgers; the Red Sox today with their fandom is the closest resemblance to that old team.

[a700hitter]

But Brooklyn wasn't Elk. Take 700 and my word for it. Brooklyn was the Dodgers; the Red Sox today with their fandom is the closest resemblance to that old team.

Unfortunately, I don't remember the Dodgers, but I heard many stories about them and what they meant to the community from family members. Everyone who I have met who remembered the Brooklyn Dodgers agree that Brooklyn was never the same. The heart was torn from the community when they left town.

[seabeachfred]

Anyone notice that this off season has resulted in more short tempered reactions than last year? Yes, I am one of those short tempered characters but I have a lot of company. Last season I wasn't on this board but on Sawheads, Dirt Dogs and the Red Sox message boards it seemed everyone was upbeat. There is no substitute for winning to keep everyone upbeat. All of us are looking for ways that will help the Red Sox recover from last season's debacle and some of us think more could be done, like getting that starting pitcher we haven't gotten.....(YET???). Well there always tomorrow.