2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[d-money]

I like Jimenez and he is still a young guy, 27, not even in his prime yet but i just dont know.I rather give up Reddick and Raunado for Hanley Ramirez.

[AtWork]

If Lavarnway continues to crush AAA pitching and widens the gap between him and Montero' date=' offensively, this year. He's a good bet to be a centerpiece for a star, like Montero has been recently. Using that kind of prospect value on a player like Bedard would be absolutely foolish.[/quote']

 

It's not fair to compare Lavarnway to Montero, Montero's 2 years younger.

[AtWork]

Jon Heyman of SI.com reports that the Red Sox are "strongly considering" adding Ryan Spilborghs as a fourth outfielder.

The Red Sox are impressed with rookie outfielder Josh Reddick, so as Heyman notes, they now "seem off" on Carlos Beltran. Spilborghs, 31, is batting just .223/.309/.324 over 201 plate appearances, but is a career .274/.348/.427 hitter and capable of playing all three outfield positions.

 

That's the kind of deal we're likely to make. And maybe a lefty reliever.

[ORS]

It's not fair to compare Lavarnway to Montero' date=' Montero's 2 years younger.[/quote']

That age difference kind of washes away with their levels of play to date this year. And, my point was that if this discrepancy continues, it's more than fair. I don't think that's too far off base.

[AtWork]

That age difference kind of washes away with their levels of play to date this year. And' date=' my point was that if this discrepancy continues, it's more than fair. I don't think that's too far off base.[/quote']

 

No, the age difference doesn't wash away. When you're talking about young 20 something year olds, 2 years is a huge difference.

[SoxFanForsyth]

That's the kind of deal we're likely to make. And maybe a lefty reliever.

 

GordonEdes Gordon Edes

Rockies do have scout at Fenway, but Sox source says they're not on Spilborgh. Sox did scout Ubaldo Jimenez

 

Spilborghs has a slash line of .223/.303/.324/.627.

 

Vs LHP, it's .232/.299/.377/.676

 

I guarantee you that the Rox are not here scouting Reddick for Spilborghs.

[AtWork]

Spilborghs has a slash line of .223/.303/.324/.627.

 

Vs LHP, it's .232/.299/.377/.676

 

I guarantee you that the Rox are not here scouting Reddick for Spilborghs.

 

I'm sure they aren't. Spilborghs would only require a minor leaguer.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It's not fair to compare Lavarnway to Montero' date=' Montero's 2 years younger.[/quote']

 

Montero is OPS'ing .775. Lavarnway is OPS'ing .993, including an OPS of 1.173 in AAA.

 

Like ORS said, if Lavarnway continues to OPS over 1.000 in AAA, the years don't make a difference.

[ORS]

No' date=' the age difference doesn't wash away. When you're talking about young 20 something year olds, 2 years is a huge difference.[/quote']

Sure it does when one has a batting average in AAA close to what the younger guy is slugging. I agree that 2 years is a big difference.....but....big one here.....so is the difference in their level of play this year.

[AtWork]

If the sox go out and deal a significant prospect for a starter' date=' then you know they have reservations about Buchholz's health[/quote']

 

Clever, that way you can say we're in trouble regardless of what we do.

[AtWork]

Sure it does when one has a batting average in AAA close to what the younger guy is slugging. I agree that 2 years is a big difference.....but....big one here.....so is the difference in their level of play this year.

 

Don't get too excited about a small sample size in AAA. In two years, Montero will likely be in the majors which would put him ahead of where Lavarnway is at the same age.

[a700hitter]

Yes' date=' but our offense isn't what needs an upgrade. We lead in almost every single offensive category. You get Jimenez and pair an improved pitching rotation with this offense and we become almost unstoppable.[/quote']Until the WS, then we would be stoppable.

[AtWork]

Until the WS' date=' then we would be stoppable.[/quote']

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

CBS Sports' Danny Knobler reports that if the Rockies decide to trade Ubaldo Jimenez, the Yankees have the best chance to get him.

Previous reports indicated that the Yankees were unlikely to add a starter, but we never really bought it. The Bronx Bombers have the prospects -- most notably Jesus Montero -- to get a deal done, and it seems increasingly likely that the Rockies are receptive to dealing their ace right-hander. The Red Sox, Rangers, Tigers, Guardians and Reds are also in the mix for Jimenez, with Knobler listing the Blue Jays as a "longshot."

 

See, this is the kind of reporting that is just useless. Do the Yankees have the best shot? Yes, they do. Why? Because they have the most loaded farm system of the teams willing to add a moderately expensive starter. Nowhere in this "article" does it state anything new. It's like saying Warren Buffett has the best chance at buying a new Bentley. Doesnt mean he will

[SoxFanForsyth]

I think Theo will be willing to give up more in a trade for Ubaldo than Cashman. The Sox went all in this offseason, much like the Yankees did in 2009, and the only thing keeping them from a WS win is a solid #4. Lackey won't cut it.

 

And a700 - I agree that our offense weakens without Ortiz obviously, but look:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Youkilis

Crawford

Reddick

Salty

Scutaro

Pitcher

 

That's as good as just about any NL team. The reason we sucked so bad in interleague play was because we didn't have Crawford. Replace Darnell/Cameron with Reddick and Crawford and the offense is substantially better.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox have Lavarnway, but they dont have a lot that is big league ready. I am talking AA and above. Kalish being out hurts a lot, IMO. But Doubront and Weiland arent really in Betances or Banuelos' class. Plus, I still dont think he gets dealt. There is no urgency for Colorado to do so, AND they are a pretty good team that may be one or two pieces away from being a WS contender

[SoxFanForsyth]

Red Sox Notes: Jackson, Spilborghs, Iannetta

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [July 26 at 8:25pm CST]

The Red Sox are unlikely to have to pay much luxury tax this year, so they're willing to add payroll in the right trade, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). Here's the latest on some players the Red Sox could consider acquiring...

 

The Red Sox aren't one of the teams pursuing Edwin Jackson, according to Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports (on Twitter).

The Red Sox are strongly considering Ryan Spilborghs, who earns a base salary of just $1.95MM this year, as a fourth outfielder, according to Heyman. They're impressed by Josh Reddick's performance this year and seem "off" on Carlos Beltran at the moment, Heyman reports (on Twitter).

Sean McAdam of CSNNE.com confirms that the Red Sox are interested in Spilborghs (Twitter link).

The Red Sox "passively inquired" on Ubaldo Jimenez (latest rumors here) and Chris Iannetta, according to Scott Lauber of the Boston Herald. Lauber adds that the Red Sox haven't yet expressed interest in Spilborghs.

The Rockies are among the teams bearing down on Boston's farm system, according to Morosi (on Twitter).

 

Ok. Lets get our s*** together. This is ridiculous.

[a700hitter]

I think Theo will be willing to give up more in a trade for Ubaldo than Cashman. The Sox went all in this offseason, much like the Yankees did in 2009, and the only thing keeping them from a WS win is a solid #4. Lackey won't cut it.

 

And a700 - I agree that our offense weakens without Ortiz obviously, but look:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Gonzalez

Youkilis

Crawford

Reddick

Salty

Scutaro

Pitcher

 

That's as good as just about any NL team. The reason we sucked so bad in interleague play was because we didn't have Crawford. Replace Darnell/Cameron with Reddick and Crawford and the offense is substantially better.

It is still a very good lineup, but if 2 or 3 of the top 5 guys go into slumps as is known to happen in the post season, our run production could go very flat. If we have a killer top 6, even if half of them go into a slump, we should have plenty of production.

[Spitball]

See' date=' this is the kind of reporting that is just useless. Do the Yankees have the best shot? Yes, they do. Why? Because they have the most loaded farm system of the teams willing to add a moderately expensive starter. Nowhere in this "article" does it state anything new. It's like saying Warren Buffett has the best chance at buying a new Bentley. Doesnt mean he will[/quote']

 

The Yankees are in line but behind the Tampa Bay Rays, Atlanta Braves, Toronto Blue, Cincinnati Reds, Cleveland Guardians, and Philadelphia Phillies as far as prospects.

[jacksonianmarch]

The top 5 farm systems per AOL were KC, ATL, TB, NYY, and TOR. KC is out of it. TB isnt into adding payroll. ATL is looking for a bat, and then there's us. BA had us 5th behind the Jays, who also arent in it.

[AtWork]

The top 5 farm systems per AOL were KC' date=' ATL, TB, NYY, and TOR. KC is out of it. TB isnt into adding payroll. ATL is looking for a bat, and then there's us. BA had us 5th behind the Jays, who also arent in it.[/quote']

 

Since when is AOL an authority on baseball farm systems? I didn't even know they had sports reporting.

[jacksonianmarch]

BA had the Yanks 5th behind the Jays

[jacksonianmarch]

Since when is AOL an authority on baseball farm systems? I didn't even know they had sports reporting.

 

Piliere has since left, but he's a scout and knows what he's talking about

[Spitball]

The Yankees prospects are always over rated and I believe that is universally understood.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees prospects are always over rated and I believe that is universally understood.

^ This is right on the money.

[AtWork]

The Yankees prospects are always over rated and I believe that is universally understood.

 

By everyone but Yankees fans. Remember that trip-aces bull they had with Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy?

[jacksonianmarch]

By everyone but Yankees fans. Remember that trip-aces bull they had with Phil Hughes' date=' Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy?[/quote']

 

Ian Kennedy is an ace in Arizona, Hughes won 18 games last yr before losing his velo, and Joba was dicked around with and hasnt been the same. If the Yankees didnt f*** up their development by moving them back and forth to the pen and rotation mid season, then I have no doubt that we'd have 2 solid starters in Kennedy and Hughes and one solid reliever in Chamberlain. I've said that all along.

[AtWork]

Ian Kennedy is an ace in Arizona' date=' Hughes won 18 games last yr before losing his velo, and Joba was dicked around with and hasnt been the same. If the Yankees didnt f*** up their development by moving them back and forth to the pen and rotation mid season, then I have no doubt that we'd have 2 solid starters in Kennedy and Hughes and one solid reliever in Chamberlain. I've said that all along.[/quote']

 

[SoxSport]

The ESPN guy (Tim Kurk...) is on now saying no takers for Beltran. Nobody wants to give up a top prospect. All that media buildup for Beltran has turned off the GMs.

 

If the Mets deal him, it will be for a lot less than reported.

[a700hitter]

The ESPN guy (Tim Kurk...) is on now saying no takers for Beltran. Nobody wants to give up a top prospect. All that media buildup for Beltran has turned off the GMs.

 

If the Mets deal him, it will be for a lot less than reported.

The team that bids the most $ will get him as I predicted from the beginning. The Mets have been jerking everyone's chain especially their fanbase.