2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[Dojji]

Quentin would require benching Crawford. I can't picture that going well.

 

Ubaldo is too rich for Theo's blood. He's young and signed longterm. There's no way Colorado just gives that away, they're looking for an epic haul.

[iortiz]

Ubaldo Jimenez Rumors: Wednesday

By Tim Dierkes [July 27, 2011 at 8:39am CST]

Yesterday's Ubaldo Jimenez info: about seven teams are in on him, but the Yankees and Reds are best-positioned to make a deal if the Rockies are as motivated as has been reported. *So far, the Rockies' asking price of*"three sure-thing young players, including one pitcher who goes into their rotation immediately" has not dropped. *The latest:

 

As of yesterday, the Reds were the most motivated Jimenez suitor and the Red Sox were more seriously inquiring than the Yankees, reports Joel Sherman of the New York Post. *Still, the Rockies appear amenable to doing a Jimenez deal for three of these Yankee youngsters: Manny Banuelos, Dellin Betances, Jesus Montero, and Ivan Nova. *The Yankees, however, are hesistant to even include two. *Ownership is not pushing Yankees GM Brian Cashman to make a deadline splash, writes Sherman, and the front office is more focused on relievers.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Quentin would require benching Crawford. I can't picture that going well.

 

Ubaldo is too rich for Theo's blood. He's young and signed longterm. There's no way Colorado just gives that away, they're looking for an epic haul.

 

Huh?!?

 

Quentin would play RF.

[Palodios]

Three sure thing players for UI? Doubront starts for them immediately, Ranaudo goes to their farm, and then throw them either Iggy, Kalish or Lavarnway. That would hit the farm hard, but I think UI would be worth it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Three sure thing players for UI? Doubront starts for them immediately' date=' Ranaudo goes to their farm, and then throw them either Iggy, Kalish or Lavarnway. That would hit the farm hard, but I think UI would be worth it.[/quote']

 

Absolutely. I'd toss in Weiland too, if it was a deal maker.

[Dojji]

Huh?!?

 

Quentin would play RF.

 

Quentin would play right field?

 

Quentin? Would play right field?

 

Ok, what?

 

Wait, wait, ok I get it, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about CARLOS Quentin, you know, Chicago's absolutely butcherous leftfield defender? My apologies. There must be some other Quentin who's an actual competent defensive outfielder. Because NWIH they'd put Carlos Quentin in Fenway's right field and expect a nondisaster.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Quentin?

 

Quentin? Would play RF? Wait, I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about CARLOS Quentin. My apologies. There must be some other Quentin who's an actual competent defensive outfielder.

 

He's got a 6.9 UZR/150 in RF this year. He's been bad in the past, but he has made improvements.

[a700hitter]

Quentin would require benching Crawford. I can't picture that going well.

Are you being sarcastic?

[Dojji]

He's got a 6.9 UZR/150 in RF this year. He's been bad in the past' date=' but he has made improvements.[/quote']

 

I don't trust it. Manny was a right fielder with the Guardians, you wouldn't even dream of playing him there at Fenway. They tried it and converted him to a DH/ LF before the first year was over. Quentin might be able to handle right field at the Cell, but he won't even come close to adequate at the Fens.

[SoxFanForsyth]

I don't trust it. Manny was a right fielder with the Guardians' date=' you wouldn't even dream of playing him there at Fenway. They tried it and converted him to a DH/ LF before the first year was over. Quentin might be able to handle right field at the Cell, but he won't even come close to adequate at the Fens.[/quote']

 

Ok. So put Crawford in RF. He doesn't have the arm for it, but he can easily make up for that with his range.

[Dojji]

Or we could just keep Reddick out there, who is playing very well offensively and has no question about his defensive skill, and not screw with it. Reddick's almost as good as Drew defensively, there's no question about his defense. There definitely would be with either Crawford or Quentin.

 

Unless you're bringing in a guy to replace Crawford's bat for the year in light of his bad year so far r, there is literally no point in screwing with the outfield..

[Palodios]

I think my perception of Quentin has been skewed by 2008. Based on his stats more recently, I'd argue that Reddick is the better player.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Or we could just keep Reddick out there, who is playing very well offensively and has no question about his defensive skill, and not screw with it. Reddick's almost as good as Drew defensively, there's no question about his defense. There definitely would be with either Crawford or Quentin.

 

Unless you're bringing in a guy to replace Crawford's bat for the year in light of his bad year so far r, there is literally no point in screwing with the outfield..

 

Or we could go with a proven commodity and not put all our eggs in one basket, which by the way hit .230 in AAA.

 

I think Reddick is doing an excellent job in RF and he's absolutely crushing right now, but this is the epitome of a sell high situation.

[Spitball]

This might already be posted, but it looks like Beltran is going to the Giants for Gary Brown and Zack Wheeler. That means the Mets got a really good haul for a rental.

[Palodios]

Or we could go with a proven commodity and not put all our eggs in one basket, which by the way hit .230 in AAA.

 

I think Reddick is doing an excellent job in RF and he's absolutely crushing right now, but this is the epitome of a sell high situation.

 

Once again, let's refer back to the benchmark of Reddick as a .250 average, 20 home run, above average defense player. If you're getting that for five more years on the cheap, do you really want to trade him--along with Doubront, who is probably the best option for a #5starter in 2012-- on Quentin, a .260 average, 25 home run, significantly below average defense player? I think there are better options.

[Thunder]

The only thing we need is a pitcher. Jerry Remy said so last night after Andrew Miller sucked. BTW, Beltran is going to the Giants.

[Dojji]

You're trying to force a fit simply because you don't trust Reddick. Your emotional status is not worth benching a guy who is getting the job done on both sides of the ball.

 

Reddick should start until he proves he shouldn't.

[SoxFanForsyth]

You're trying to force a fit simply because you don't trust Reddick. Your emotional status is not worth benching a guy who is getting the job done on both sides of the ball.

 

Reddick should start until he proves he shouldn't.

 

What?!?

 

I'm trying to force a fit?? I am??

 

I'm sorry. You're right. I don't think that a guy who hasn't touched .240 in AAA is going to come up and be a .320 hitter in the MLB. He's on an insane hot streak right now. He's going to come back down to earth, and the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for him to turn back into that .230 hitter in Septmeber and October. What have you seen in his past that makes you believe that this steak he's on is more than just an aberration?

 

It's an absolutely perfect sell high opportunity.

[Spitball]

This might already be posted' date=' but it looks like Beltran is going to the Giants for Gary Brown and Zack Wheeler. That means the Mets got a really good haul for a rental.[/quote']

 

It sounds like it is just Wheeler http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=wheele001zac which is still a nice return for the Mets.

[Palodios]

I'm sorry. You're right. I don't think that a guy who hasn't touched .240 in AAA is going to come up and be a .320 hitter in the MLB. He's on an insane hot streak right now. He's going to come back down to earth' date=' and the absolute worst thing that could happen would be for him to turn back into that .230 hitter in Septmeber and October. What have you seen in his past that makes you believe that this steak he's on is more than just an aberration?.[/quote']

 

He doesn't need to be a .320 hitter to be better than Quentin. Reddick's line in AAA in 2010:

0.266 0.301 0.466 0.767 with 18 HR in 110 games.

 

If he hits .250 with a low OBP but high XBH numbers in the bottom of this order, his vastly superior defense will make him the better player than Quentin, not to mention much much cheaper.

[SoxFanForsyth]

He doesn't need to be a .320 hitter to be better than Quentin. Reddick's line in AAA in 2010:

0.266 0.301 0.466 0.767 with 18 HR in 110 games.

 

If he hits .250 with a low OBP but high XBH numbers in the bottom of this order, his vastly superior defense will make him the better player than Quentin, not to mention much much cheaper.

 

I mean you're getting 100 points added to your OPS and a 30 HR guy in Carlos Quentin when he's playing at Fenway.

[SoxFanForsyth]

And for the record, Quentin is arb eligible through 2013.

 

Also, I'm absolutely fine with having Reddick in RF. I would 110% much rather have a SP than a RF now that Reddick has stepped up. If we can't get a SP, though, and we have an opportunity to sell high on Reddick for a guy like Quentin, I'm all for it.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sox should just go trade for Zambrano. That gives them the extra SP AND it fixes their line up in interleague play! Zambrano can mash! :thumbsup:

[Palodios]

I mean you're getting 100 points added to your OPS and a 30 HR guy in Carlos Quentin when he's playing at Fenway.

 

Sure, but you're also talking about moving Crawford and Quentin to unnatural positions, hurting both spots in the outfield defensively in order to accomodate the move. You're also talking about getting a guy for a few years long term who has been in the majors since 2006 and has yet to play a full season. You're also losing your number 5 starter, a ton of money, all for a guy who hit .243 and .236 the last two seasons.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Sure' date=' but you're also talking about moving Crawford and Quentin to unnatural positions, hurting both spots in the outfield defensively in order to accomodate the move. You're also talking about getting a guy for a few years long term who has been in the majors since 2006 and has yet to play a full season. You're also losing your number 5 starter, a ton of money, all for a guy who hit .243 and .236 the last two seasons.[/quote']

 

Well my original idea was to just put Quentin in RF, and don't mess with Crawford. And Quentin is only making $5mm so it's only a $4.5mm difference.

 

But it doesn't matter. Our offense is fantastic. We need a SP.

[Dojji]

Quentin is a butcher defensively who's had delusions of adequacy this year -- in left field. Stick him in right field in Fenway and you're inviting an abject disaster.

 

I don't think we "need" a lot. Our team is pretty complete. There's always room to improve various things but this looks like a deadline where it's better to just make small moves.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Quentin is a butcher defensively who's had delusions of adequacy this year -- in left field. Stick him in right field in Fenway and you're inviting an abject disaster.

 

I don't think we "need" a lot. Our team is pretty complete. There's always room to improve various things but this looks like a deadline where it's better to just make small moves.

 

Dude come on man. At least look the s*** up. Quentin hasn't played LF since 2009. He's been in RF every game this year.

[Dojji]

Yeah and over the last 2 years. he's averaged about 1.4 wins a year above replacement because his defense is that bad.

 

He's improved all the way to average this year, I'll give him some credit for that, but Reddick is a higher WAR player this year than Quentin despite Quentin having a lot more playing time, so I just don't see a need to even think about Quentin.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Yeah and over the last 2 years. he's averaged about 1.4 wins a year above replacement because his defense is that bad.

 

He's improved all the way to average this year, I'll give him some credit for that, but Reddick is a higher WAR player this year than Quentin despite Quentin having a lot more playing time, so I just don't see a need to even think about Quentin.

 

Listen, I hope that Reddick turns into the all star caliber player that he's morphed into the past couple months. Obviously he'll come back down to earth, but if he remains a .290-.310 hitter, I'll be insanely happy. I'm absolutely pulling for this guy. I just don't want to get into a situation where we are in September and October and need a big hit and he's gone back into that .230-.240 hitter that he was in AAA.

[Dojji]

So you want to bring in a guy who's been a .230-.240 hitter over the last couple years and defends a lot worse than Reddick?

 

Sorry, just trying to grasp the logic here.