2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[SoxFanForsyth]

And they don't, and I have a hard time blaming them.

 

See if you can score Erik Bedard cheaply. He's not the sexy trade target, but it's only 2 months, you can probably keep him healthy for 2 months if you're willing to skip a start or two. Failing that, move up to Kuroda. But stay away from multiyear commitments to young pitchers because that sort of crap is going to cost you.

 

So for 2012, we have Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, and ???. The FA market is weak as water. Why not pick up a guy who has a tremendous upside, who's numbers are distorted because of Coors, and who is under club control at a great price for a few years? If the Sox don't get a SP (now or this offseason via trade), they're going to go into 2012 with a huge hole in the 5 slot.

[Palodios]

The White Sox's pitching staff interests me. Lots of options on a losing team. John Baker only has a year and a half left there, and he might be cheaper than UJ, and just as good.

 

It might be worth the Red Sox's time to take a look at Jake Peavy. He has been injured and underperformed in Chicago, and his large contract and high potential could make him a good target for some team. I'll take his 5 ERA in a heartbeat as an upgrade to this team if the White Sox will bite some of his salary for 2012.

[Meh]

Yankees and Red Sox fans need to unite and bring down the jays new GM. Like take a baseball bat to his knee caps and break his fingers. If he can spin frasor and spect for jackson and then trade jackson and a RP for Rasmus... wtf

[Dojji]

So for 2012' date=' we have Beckett, Lester, Buchholz, Lackey, and ???. The FA market is weak as water. Why not pick up a guy who has a tremendous upside, who's numbers are distorted because of Coors, and who is under club control at a great price for a few years? If the Sox don't get a SP (now or this offseason via trade), they're going to go into 2012 with a huge hole in the 5 slot.[/quote']

 

Worry about the offseason when it comes along. We have some internal options including Doubront, and Bedard of those guys, at least, is probably going to free agency. If her does, he's a type A guy based on what he's done while actually in the field, so it's a Theo sort of move to make. And if he accepts arb, there's your problem solved. Just have guys like Bowden, Weiland and Doubront keep their cell phones charged and on for the inevitable callup with the guy gets hurt.

[SoxFanForsyth]

The White Sox's pitching staff interests me. Lots of options on a losing team. John Baker only has a year and a half left there, and he might be cheaper than UJ, and just as good.

 

It might be worth the Red Sox's time to take a look at Jake Peavy. He has been injured and underperformed in Chicago, and his large contract and high potential could make him a good target for some team. I'll take his 5 ERA in a heartbeat as an upgrade to this team if the White Sox will bite some of his salary for 2012.

 

Eh, man. I don't like Peavy in a bandbox. He did well in SD because of the field. Comisky is pretty big as well. I don't know how I feel about him at Fenway.

 

Danks, on the other hand, is awfully intriguing.

[Dojji]

Buehrle? He'd be an ideal lower middle of the rotation inning burning monster even if he did get hit a little more at Fenway.

[Palodios]

Impressive. Not quite as good as getting rid of the Wells contract, but still very good work on Toronto's part, if this goes through.

[Meh]

I believe the Reds get Ubaldo for the Y&Y boys and Homer. Yankees land Danks for Nova and Romine. Jays somehow get Rasmus for basically a pack of gum and a used comdon. Wandy stays in Hou. Phillies get Beltran for Trevor May and Jiwan James.

[Palodios]

Worry about the offseason when it comes along. We have some internal options including Doubront' date=' and Bedard of those guys, at least, is probably going to free agency. If her does, he's a type A guy based on what he's done while actually in the field, so it's a Theo sort of move to make. And if he accepts arb, there's your problem solved. Just have guys like Bowden, Weiland and Doubront keep their cell phones charged and on for the inevitable callup with the guy gets hurt.[/quote']

 

Stack up his starts, and he's played one full season in the last three years. NWIH he earns his team compensation picks at year's end.

[Dojji]

That's not how it worked when Eric Gagne was a Type A in 2006. Amount of playing time doesn't matter, only what you do with it, and Bedard has been a Type A kinda guy when he's been on the field. The only problem vis--a-vis Bedard is that if you offer him arb he might accept.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Stack up his starts' date=' and he's played one full season in the last three years. NWIH he earns his team compensation picks at year's end.[/quote']

 

Yeah, Bedard has good potential but he's been way too injury prone the past few years. He's great when he's healthy, but how often is that? The last thing the Sox want is a SP who is DTD all year long.

[Dojji]

Well, if not Bedard, then why not go after Mark Buehrle? He's a great pitcher so I wouldn't worry that much about park factors, guys with his level of skill and finesse tend to be what they are, wherever they are. And considering that he'd be maybe the 4th guy in our rotation, his skillset is absolutely ideal for that, especially given our lineup.

[Palodios]

That's not how it worked when Eric Gagne was a Type A in 2006. Amount of playing time doesn't matter' date=' only what you do with it, and Bedard has been a Type A kinda guy when he's been on the field. The only problem vis--a-vis Bedard is that if you offer him arb he might accept.[/quote']

 

When determining compensation, starting pitchers are evaluated based on:

 

Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts

 

Gagne had type A status because closers are evaulated differently. They are evaluated less by longevity. Bedard missed an entire season. He is not going to be a type A free agent because he hasn't pitched that many games, he hasn't won many games, and he hasn't pitched many innings. Stop pulling stuff out of your ass please.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well' date=' if not Bedard, then why not go after Mark Buehrle? He's a great pitcher so I wouldn't worry that much about park factors, guys with his level of skill and finesse tend to be what they are, wherever they are. And considering that he'd be maybe the 4th guy in our rotation, his skillset is absolutely ideal for that, especially given our lineup.[/quote']

 

I would absolutely take Buehrle. That guy hasn't thrown less than 200 innings a single time in his career. And he's done it with a 3.81 ERA. He would be a great fit.

[Palodios]

Report: Red Sox are out of the race for Beltran, and are fine with Reddick in RF moving forward. Obviously, we can't know for sure until Beltran is moved, but it sounds plausible enough.

[Dojji]

That was an important message to the entire Red Sox farm system. Jobs in Boston can be earned. Sometimes that hasn't been the case.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Report: Red Sox are out of the race for Beltran' date=' and are fine with Reddick in RF moving forward. [/b']Obviously, we can't know for sure until Beltran is moved, but it sounds plausible enough.

 

I'm perfectly fine with this. We need a SP, not more offense. Our offense, if healthy, is crazy good.

[Dojji]

I wonder how much Buehrle would cost.

[a700hitter]

I think we have enough starting pitching to make the playoffs and win the division. If Buchholz comes back in September, the pitching should be good enough for the playoffs too. We need another bat for the WS. Spillbourgs is not going to cut it, nor is Frenchy. Get Beltran!

[Dojji]

I absolutely disagree with this.

 

If anything needs to improve in terms of positional players, it's getting an actual professional shortstop rather than the pair of utility men we've had faking it at the position.

[Spitball]

I believe the Reds get Ubaldo for the Y&Y boys and Homer. Yankees land Danks for Nova and Romine. Jays somehow get Rasmus for basically a pack of gum and a used comdon. Wandy stays in Hou. Phillies get Beltran for Trevor May and Jiwan James.

 

I am betting we see very few trades for the big names. Some years it is a sellers' market and some years a buyers' market. This year it appears to be a sellers' market...except with cautious buyers. Why? Because there isn't a CC Sabathia, Cliff Lee, or anyone close to a true pennant race changer.

 

The Rockies are asking far more for Jiminez than the Guardians got for Cliff Lee a few years ago. They want to get the kind of haul the Rangers pulled in for Teixiera a few years ago. They were asking the Reds for Aroldis (105 mph) Chapman, Devin Mesoraco, Billy Hamilton, and Yonder Alonso. The first two guys are top 50 prospects and the other two are in the Reds' top five prospects. There are also reports that Travis Wood (Cliff Lee's neighbor) or Homer Bailey was part of their demands. I am betting Jimenez is not traded.

 

I bet Beltran gets traded unless the Mets are too greedy and misread the market. I remember Jim Bowden, then Washington's GM, had Alfonso Soriano having an incredible career year, and Bowden should have pulled in a great haul of prospects from someone. Bowden was too greedy and ended up with a draft pick. Anyway, I would not be surprised to see the Mets being too greedy and end up failing to move Beltran.

[a700hitter]

I absolutely disagree with this.

 

If anything needs to improve in terms of positional players, it's getting an actual professional shortstop rather than the pair of utility men we've had faking it at the position.

I'd prefer a SS, but we are not going to get Hanley, and Reyes is a big long shot. Beltran is available.

[RedSox_Ruszkowski]

I absolutely disagree with this.

 

If anything needs to improve in terms of positional players, it's getting an actual professional shortstop rather than the pair of utility men we've had faking it at the position.

 

i agree. i think reddick has done well and will continue to do well. once clay comes back SP will be fine. Scutaro has been HORRIBLE! absolutely horrible. let's rent a SS for a little bit, a veteran guy who may not have the best bat, but who can at least hit for average and not have a noodle arm!

[a700hitter]

i agree. i think reddick has done well and will continue to do well. once clay comes back SP will be fine. Scutaro has been HORRIBLE! absolutely horrible. let's rent a SS for a little bit' date=' a veteran guy who may not have the best bat, but who can at least hit for average and not have a noodle arm![/quote']What SS is available? Reddick is a rookie and not the threat that Beltran is. Reddick is not Beltran. Equating the two is absurd.

[RedSox_Ruszkowski]

all i'm saying is that i feel we would look better with reddick in right and a better SS as opposed to beltran in right and f***-boy scutaro at short. i would love to have beltran, i would just love to replace scutaro that much more.

[Dojji]

I'd prefer a SS' date=' but we are not going to get Hanley, and Reyes is a big long shot. Beltran is available.[/quote']

 

You're shooting too high. Think more along the lines of Brendan Ryan. Offensively he's about on par with Scutaro, and he's worlds better on D.

 

I trade Iglesias straight up for Ryan right now.

[a700hitter]

You're shooting too high. Think more along the lines of Brendan Ryan. Offensively he's about on par with Scutaro, and he's worlds better on D.

 

I trade Iglesias straight up for Ryan right now.

Why would Seattle make that trade?

[a700hitter]

Trade Talk: Giants close to obtaining Beltran

Posted by Peter Abraham, Globe Staff July 27, 2011 01:22 PM

 

The Giants are close to obtaining Carlos Beltran from the Mets according to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports.

 

Minor details remain to be worked out. No set word yet on who the Mets will get in return.

 

You knew something was up with Bruce Bochy hit Beltran second in the NL lineup at the All-Star Game. Beltran has a 24-hour window to approve a trade, so another (the Phillies) could try and sneak in.

 

Now that Beltran and Colby Rasmus have been traded (or soon will be), look for lesser outfielders to get snapped up quickly. If the Red Sox are going to make a move for one of them, it could be soon.

[Dojji]

Why would Seattle make that trade?

 

Because they could control Iglesias for more years, which since they're not close to contending is a consideration.

[SoxFanForsyth]

There are two big name players out there that I wouldn't be surprised in the least if one of them end up in Boston.

 

Carlos Quentin and Ubaldo Jimenez

 

From ESPNBoston:

 

It’s been rumored the White Sox will make RF Carlos Quentin available for trade at the deadline. Quentin is a dead-pull hitter with solid plate discipline whose offensive game is well-suited for Fenway Park. While he’s a slightly-below average defender, he has a decent arm and has years of experience in right field. His 2011 salary, $5.05 million, is quite reasonable, and he’s also cost-controlled (under arbitration) through 2013. He’s the type of hitter that could hit .270 with 30+ doubles and 30+ home runs in the Red Sox lineup for years to come. Epstein may be able to get Quentin for a package of Reddick, Doubront, and a C-level prospect, perhaps RHP Ryan Pressly. If the club makes a major move, that’s the type of move I’d expect.

 

I'll take that 30 HR, 30 Double RH bat in this lineup all freaking day.