2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[AtWork]

Wandy Rodriguez is the only other pitcher on the market I would rather have but the Astros always ask unreasonable prices for their players.

[MNSoxChief102]

If this ends up being Harden just not wanting to pitch for us for whatever reason, he's going to look like a pussy ass piece of s***. f*** him if that's the case. He has a chance to pitch when it actually f***ing matters, in front of fans that actually give a s***... something Oakland isn't likely to have in his lifetime.

 

Maybe he likes pitching in front of 15,000 people who had nothing better to do every night. I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of glad the deal fell through. Don't want guys that can't hack it in the spotlight.

[AtWork]

If this ends up being Harden just not wanting to pitch for us for whatever reason, he's going to look like a pussy ass piece of s***. f*** him if that's the case. He has a chance to pitch when it actually f***ing matters, in front of fans that actually give a s***... something Oakland isn't likely to have in his lifetime.

 

Maybe he likes pitching in front of 15,000 people who had nothing better to do every night. I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of glad the deal fell through. Don't want guys that can't hack it in the spotlight.

 

If that's the case, I'm glad he said so. I'd much rather us not give up prospects and get a different pitcher than acquire the next Kevin Brown.

[example1]

Seems like every trade falls through at some point and then regains steam. Wouldn't surprise me if the Sox and A's couldn't agree on PTBNL' date=' but they have until 4 tomorrow, or, well today.[/quote']

 

If there was a near-agreement with Beane about Harden then the Sox can have him if their price is right. Add another minor prospect and he's likely theirs. The question is, does Anderson + PTBNL (let's guess Workman) + minor prospect (Alex Hassan, say) make Bedard (at a lower cost) a better value? Perhaps.

[example1]

If this ends up being Harden just not wanting to pitch for us for whatever reason, he's going to look like a pussy ass piece of s***. f*** him if that's the case. He has a chance to pitch when it actually f***ing matters, in front of fans that actually give a s***... something Oakland isn't likely to have in his lifetime.

 

Maybe he likes pitching in front of 15,000 people who had nothing better to do every night. I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of glad the deal fell through. Don't want guys that can't hack it in the spotlight.

 

A lot of speculating, no?

[msubulldogs21]

If this ends up being Harden just not wanting to pitch for us for whatever reason, he's going to look like a pussy ass piece of s***. f*** him if that's the case. He has a chance to pitch when it actually f***ing matters, in front of fans that actually give a s***... something Oakland isn't likely to have in his lifetime.

 

Maybe he likes pitching in front of 15,000 people who had nothing better to do every night. I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of glad the deal fell through. Don't want guys that can't hack it in the spotlight.

 

Settle down

[MNSoxChief102]

A lot of speculating' date=' no?[/quote']

 

Yes it is speculation on my part... just don't see a reason why he'd go out of his way to emphasize he was excited to stay put if he had any interest whatsoever in pitching when it really counts in a city that actually gives a s*** about baseball. He could have just as easily said no comment and moved on until the deal actually went through. But he didn't. That tells me he doesn't want to be here.

[example1]

A seperate tangent for the night-owls, those waiting for the next tweet:

 

A number of you advocated waiting for the off-season when Felix Hernandez might be available. I personally doubt that he will be, but let's pretend for a second that the M's are interested in rebuilding and realize he's worth his weight in gold in talent. Who would the Red Sox need to offer to provide a package that the Mariners could DEFINITELY re-build with? Just curious... I have some ideas of my own.

[MNSoxChief102]

Settle down

 

I'm fine... just venting a bit.

[MNSoxChief102]

A seperate tangent for the night-owls, those waiting for the next tweet:

 

A number of you advocated waiting for the off-season when Felix Hernandez might be available. I personally doubt that he will be, but let's pretend for a second that the M's are interested in rebuilding and realize he's worth his weight in gold in talent. Who would the Red Sox need to offer to provide a package that the Mariners could DEFINITELY re-build with? Just curious... I have some ideas of my own.

 

A King Felix trade would undoubtedly have to start with Renaudo and have Middlebrooks, Lavarnway, Weiland, and probably one of our low level prospects with definite potential. In other words, we'd have to clear the deck to make it happen. Something I'd be perfectly fine with if it actually came together.

[AtWork]

Harden will be in pinstripes by 2pm tomorrow. We'll be stuck with Bedard.

[MNSoxChief102]

Harden will be in pinstripes by 2pm tomorrow. We'll be stuck with Bedard.

 

Somehow I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it plays out. Something tells me he really isn't a fan of the Sox and wants no part of playing for us.

[MNSoxChief102]

Well that was fun... all of two hours or so hoping Harden would be the guy that could settle things down in our rotation. Time to move on.

 

http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2011/07/31/surprise-hold-up-on-harden-deal/

 

CHICAGO — While numerous outlets, including WEEI.com, characterized the deal sending Rich Harden to the Red Sox for first base prospect Lars Anderson and a player to be named as agreed upon pending a physical, that characterization appears to have been premature.

 

Harden told reporters in Oakland that A’s GM Billy Beane had told him there is no deal, and he will make his next scheduled start for the A’s on Tuesday. A major league source confirmed that assessment. As of now, it remains unclear whether the deal is dead or if there are simply some elements that are still being negotiated. Either way, it would now appear that it is not a foregone conclusion that Harden will be shipping up to Boston.

 

Indeed, the major league source suggested that the Sox are “not counting on” the deal getting done at all.

 

Harden is 2-1 with a 4.30 ERA in five starts this year.

[example1]

A King Felix trade would undoubtedly have to start with Renaudo and have Middlebrooks' date=' Lavarnway, Weiland, and probably one of our low level prospects with definite potential. In other words, we'd have to clear the deck to make it happen. Something I'd be perfectly fine with if it actually came together.[/quote']

 

If I'm Seattle and I want to sell this to my fans, I would want Ryan Kalish, Ryan Lavarnway, Will Middlebrooks, Bryce Brentz and Anthony Ranaudo. That would be an enormous package of talent. Probably too much for the Red Sox to give up, but I think it is the type of offer it would take to pry him from Seattle.

[MNSoxChief102]

If I'm Seattle and I want to sell this to my fans' date=' I would want Ryan Kalish, Ryan Lavarnway, Will Middlebrooks, Bryce Brentz and Anthony Ranaudo. That would be an [i']enormous[/i] package of talent. Probably too much for the Red Sox to give up, but I think it is the type of offer it would take to pry him from Seattle.

 

Given what Felix has proven himself to be at the big league level, I'd probably be okay with that kind of exodus in our farm system to get him.

[example1]

Well that was fun... all of two hours or so hoping Harden would be the guy that could settle things down in our rotation. Time to move on.

 

"As of now, it remains unclear whether the deal is dead or if there are simply some elements that are still being negotiated."

 

Doesn't seem like reason to dispair. You have been through a trade deadline before, right? It is always like this.

 

Remember a few hours ago the Jimenez deal was off? How do you think the Cleveland fans felt? Remember when the Adrian Gonzalez deal was off because they couldn't negotiate a longterm deal with him?

[example1]

Given what Felix has proven himself to be at the big league level' date=' I'd probably be okay with that kind of exodus in our farm system to get him.[/quote']

 

The package I noted had 3 all-star potential players in it (Middlebrooks, Kalish and Ranaudo) a wild card with Mike Napoli written all over him (Lavarnway) and possibly the best power hitting prospect in the Sox system who is too low to predict reliably. A deal like that sets the system back 3-4 years.

[MNSoxChief102]

"As of now, it remains unclear whether the deal is dead or if there are simply some elements that are still being negotiated."

 

Doesn't seem like reason to dispair. You have been through a trade deadline before, right? It is always like this.

 

Remember a few hours ago the Jimenez deal was off? How do you think the Cleveland fans felt? Remember when the Adrian Gonzalez deal was off because they couldn't negotiate a longterm deal with him?

 

I get that... really I do... no need to keep bringing it up.

 

The deal could possibly still go through... anything's possible up to 4pm tomorrow. I'm not thinking we won't get anything done with anyone. But at this point I'm beginning to question whether I really want it to or not. Harden's comments really don't sound like a guy that's excited to come pitch in a pennant race. And if that's the case, I don't want him.

[MNSoxChief102]

The package I noted had 3 all-star potential players in it (Middlebrooks' date=' Kalish and Ranaudo) a wild card with Mike Napoli written all over him (Lavarnway) and possibly the best power hitting prospect in the Sox system who is too low to predict reliably. A deal like that sets the system back 3-4 years.[/quote']

 

True, but the addition of Felix to our staff sets us up for just as long, if not more, with Beckett, Lester, and Buch all locked down long term.

 

Not saying I think it would ever happen or that I think Theo would even consider a deal like that, but I'd have to think about it pretty hard if I were in his shoes. Pitchers like Felix don't come around very often. He's the real deal.

[example1]

I get that... really I do... no need to keep bringing it up.

 

The deal could possibly still go through... anything's possible up to 4pm tomorrow. But at this point I'm beginning to question whether I really want it to or not. Harden's comments really don't sound like a guy that's excited to come pitch in a pennant race. And if that's the case, I don't want him.

 

It seems likely he's just not writing his ticket out of town until he knows what's up. He did pitch for the Cubs for a few years, so it's not like he hasn't pitched in a big city or in a baseball-crazy environment. He's not going to come on and say "I'm really disappointed. I wanted to leave this shithole and go to a town where they actually care and play for a team that has a chance to win"... etc.,

[example1]

True, but the addition of Felix to our staff sets us up for just as long, if not more, with Beckett, Lester, and Buch all locked down long term.

 

Not saying I think it would ever happen or that I think Theo would even consider a deal like that, but I'd have to think about it pretty hard if I were in his shoes. Pitchers like Felix don't come around very often. He's the real deal.

 

Yes he is. That's why I brought up the question. I was thinking to myself, if I were the Mariners, what return package from Boston would I need to know that my team was better off after dealing Felix Hernandez. That package would have to include a shitload of really, really good talent.

[MNSoxChief102]

It seems likely he's just not writing his ticket out of town until he knows what's up. He did pitch for the Cubs for a few years' date=' so it's not like he hasn't pitched in a big city or in a baseball-crazy environment. He's not going to come on and say "I'm really disappointed. I wanted to leave this shithole and go to a town where they actually care and play for a team that has a chance to win"... etc., [/quote']

 

Of course not... what I expect him to say is a simple "No comment" and move on. Just like pretty much every other player on the block does when they get asked about a deal possibly going through.

 

The least he could have said was "I'm happy where I am, but I respect the needs of the franchise and I'm willing to do whatever they want me to do to help out." Simple, clean, and out the door.

[jopete19]

I've watch Aviles play at the Royals AAA team, the Omaha Storm Chasers. Played SS a lot. Power Hitter. I was impressed watching him. He should be a good pick up.

[MNSoxChief102]

I'm really beginning to wonder what the hold up could be... Harden is playing on a 1 year, $1.5 million deal. Money isn't an issue. He doesn't have a no trade clause or 10-5 rights.

 

It almost has to be the PTBNL. Perhaps the A's are wanting somebody the Sox don't want to give up and they're playing hardball for a bit, sort of like the Rockies did earlier tonight. I don't know. Either way, we should know by morning I think... no reason to drag it out if it's dead

[MNSoxChief102]

The Herald is reporting that the Sox called the deal off because they weren't sure Harden could make enough starts this season to make it a worthwhile deal. Saw something in his Med file they didn't like.

[Cocos Disciples]

Wow, this was a really busy day for trades. And not even the deadline. I was warming on the idea of the Sox getting Harden, and then both MSU and my roommate texted me saying the deal was off. I'd still like to get another starter, especially if Buchholz's return is looking negative. I like Harden more than Bedard, and with Kuroda off the market I'm not sure what else there is.

 

Anyway, tomorrow should be interesting.

[Dojji]

The Herald is reporting that the Sox called the deal off because they weren't sure Harden could make enough starts this season to make it a worthwhile deal. Saw something in his Med file they didn't like.

 

This is Rich Harden. The only surprise here is that they're surprised.

[BornToRun]

If this ends up being Harden just not wanting to pitch for us for whatever reason, he's going to look like a pussy ass piece of s***. f*** him if that's the case. He has a chance to pitch when it actually f***ing matters, in front of fans that actually give a s***... something Oakland isn't likely to have in his lifetime.

 

Maybe he likes pitching in front of 15,000 people who had nothing better to do every night. I don't know. Either way, I'm kind of glad the deal fell through. Don't want guys that can't hack it in the spotlight.

 

Best case scenario, he goes to NYY and flames out. And by flames out I mean we light his ass up and he leaves the game after snapping his wrist pushing down the nozzle on the gatorade barrel.

 

I'm holding out hope that Theo, being Theo, comes out of nowhere and lands someone we weren't expecting. Sort of like that last minute Peavy move the White Sox made in 2009.

[Thunder]

Is there any SP left that's good?

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm really beginning to wonder what the hold up could be... Harden is playing on a 1 year, $1.5 million deal. Money isn't an issue. He doesn't have a no trade clause or 10-5 rights.

 

It almost has to be the PTBNL. Perhaps the A's are wanting somebody the Sox don't want to give up and they're playing hardball for a bit, sort of like the Rockies did earlier tonight. I don't know. Either way, we should know by morning I think... no reason to drag it out if it's dead

 

I had heard the PTBNL was Brandon Workman, who is a big, tall righty with a solid arm who was drafted last yr. He's not a prize prospect since he's struggling a bit in the low minors, but he's still a guy with a lot of talent who you dont give up on for a guy who you think wont be able to get through the next 8 weeks