2011 Trade Deadline Thread

[Palodios]

Why isn't Kuroda getting more trade buzz? He's a very solid #2 type guy on the last year of his contract, and besides the things he has been saying, I haven't heard of him being connected to any teams.

[AtWork]

Drew was originally expected to be placed on the disabled list to make room for Jon Lester's return from the disabled list, but Kyle Weiland will head to the minors instead. Drew is still going on the disabled list, but it won't happen until Tuesday, when Drew Sutton will be added to the active roster.

[redsoxbeatz]

So, Quentin, Lefty Reliever, SP. Go get em Theo. (haaaa, ya right!)

[AtWork]

I don't understand why everyone wants Quentin. Is it just because he's the next biggest name after Beltran? Because a guy who plays right field poorly and hits righties much better than lefties does not seem to fit our need for a corner outfielder who hits lefties well.

[AtWork]

The White Sox were expected to contend for the AL Central crown this year, but right now they're just 49-51 and 4.5 games back of the division lead. That prompted GM Kenny Williams to tell ESPN Chicago that he might "turn over the entire roster" if they don't get back into the race this week.

 

"On one hand, you can look toward potentially adding (players)," said Williams. "We'd have to add creatively because of the financial situation right now. And on the other hand, maybe this is the most opportune time to turn over the entire roster and get some young, exciting players in here and go that route."

[SoxSport]

When I see "GM quotes" on MLB rumors saying "If I want to win now, I get Beltran", I wonder which NY network made it up. A better quote: "If I get Beltran, I better win now." LOL

[SoxSport]

Why isn't Kuroda getting more trade buzz? He's a very solid #2 type guy on the last year of his contract' date=' and besides the things he has been saying, I haven't heard of him being connected to any teams.[/quote']

 

Maybe some GMs think Kuroda might not be so solid in the AL.

[Spitball]

Maybe some GMs think Kuroda might not be so solid in the AL.

 

Kuroda seems to be a five inning pitcher. His OPS against in the sixth inning is .940 and .945 in the seventh. I'd like to see the Sox get him but don't see him as anything more than a number four starter.

 

I wonder about old friend Derek Lowe from Atlanta. He apparently is available.

[AtWork]

Kuroda seems to be a five inning pitcher. His OPS against in the sixth inning is .940 and .945 in the seventh. I'd like to see the Sox get him but don't see him as anything more than a number four starter.

 

I wonder about old friend Derek Lowe from Atlanta. He apparently is available.

 

We already have one drunk starting pitcher in Lackey, we don't need Lowe making the rounds with him around Boston.

[AtWork]

Joel Sherman of the New York Post believes the Rangers are pushing hardest for Beltran, followed by the Braves and Red Sox. The Giants and Phillies appear to be fading, Sherman writes (on Twitter).

The Rangers and Giants appear to be ahead of the Phillies and Braves in pursuit of Beltran, according to ESPN.com's Jerry Crasnick (on Twitter). As Crasnick points out, everything can change quickly.

There isn't much confidence within the industry that the Mets will obtain a top prospect for Beltran, according to Newsday's Ken Davidoff.

 

The Reds remain very much involved in talks for Jimenez and the Tigers have him near the top of their list, according to Morosi.

The Rockies won't be able to get three or four of Boston's top prospects for Jimenez, according to Peter Gammons of MLB Network (Twitter link). The Reds won't part with Devin Mesoraco, Billy Hamilton and two other prospects for Jimenez, Gammons notes.

[Spitball]

We already have one drunk starting pitcher in Lackey' date=' we don't need Lowe making the rounds with him around Boston.[/quote']

 

I'm not really worried about his off field problems, but he really has become a five inning pitcher also. The Sox and Braves don't really match up well as trade partners.

 

Starting pitchers are just in such high demand, and the Braves are looking for salary relief.

[a700hitter]

As of 10:56 pm:

 

Joel Sherman of the New York Post believes the Rangers are pushing hardest for Beltran, followed by the Braves and Red Sox. The Giants and Phillies appear to be fading, Sherman writes (on Twitter).

[AtWork]

I'm not really worried about his off field problems, but he really has become a five inning pitcher also. The Sox and Braves don't really match up well as trade partners.

 

Starting pitchers are just in such high demand, and the Braves are looking for salary relief.

 

When pitchers are getting wasted the nights before their starts and are pitching hungover like Lackey has been doing this year and Lowe did when he was with us, it becomes an onfield issue.

[AtWork]

As of 10:56 pm:

 

Thank you for repeating what I said 32 minutes ago.

[example1]

In every case so far the Sox are in the middle in terms of pushing for him. Perhaps they will leap in at the last minute to get him. Of course, how much better is he than Josh Reddick, really? Are they really going to sit Reddick against righties? Sit Beltran, or Ortiz? I don't see it.

[AtWork]

In every case so far the Sox are in the middle in terms of pushing for him. Perhaps they will leap in at the last minute to get him. Of course' date=' how much better is he than Josh Reddick, really? Are they really going to sit Reddick against righties? Sit Beltran, or Ortiz? I don't see it.[/quote']

 

If you factor in defense, he's not any better than Reddick and may in fact provide worse production this year. Besides, he's not hitting lefties well which is one of the main reasons we need someone to platoon with Crawford, Ellsbury and Reddick.

[example1]

If you factor in defense' date=' he's not any better than Reddick and may in fact provide worse production this year. Besides, he's not hitting lefties well which is one of the main reasons we need someone to platoon with Crawford, Ellsbury and Reddick.[/quote']

 

I mean, I'm all for them getting good switch-hitting OFs who can play on the big stage. I just don't think anyone should throw a fit if the Sox choose to play their homegrown talent.

 

Also (and this seems to be being forgotten here), Ryan Kalish is actually they guy that most scouts think is better than Reddick, and he should be healthy and back next year. They are going to have a pretty damn good (but pretty damn LH) OF moving forward with Crawford, Ellsbury, Kalish and Reddick.

[example1]

Seems like the off-season would be a good time to re-explore that deal for Justin Upton. Reddick (or Kalish), Weiland, Lavarnway and Ranaudo (or some such combination) would be a decent place to start. Upton would be a great addition and would give them a young RH RF.

[AtWork]

I mean, I'm all for them getting good switch-hitting OFs who can play on the big stage. I just don't think anyone should throw a fit if the Sox choose to play their homegrown talent.

 

Also (and this seems to be being forgotten here), Ryan Kalish is actually they guy that most scouts think is better than Reddick, and he should be healthy and back next year. They are going to have a pretty damn good (but pretty damn LH) OF moving forward with Crawford, Ellsbury, Kalish and Reddick.

 

Even if we get at best a .270/.330/.500 hitter out of either Kalish or Reddick their defense is so good that it would be worth going with them. The idea of having a defensive outfield that includes Crawford, Ellsbury and one of Reddick or Kalish is sexy.

[AtWork]

Seems like the off-season would be a good time to re-explore that deal for Justin Upton. Reddick (or Kalish)' date=' Weiland, Lavarnway and Ranaudo (or some such combination) would be a decent place to start. Upton would be a great addition and would give them a young RH RF.[/quote']

 

I could deal with Upton. Even when he's not hitting, he provides tremendous defense.

[a700hitter]

Comparing Reddick to Beltran at this stage of Reddick's career is extremely premature. If the Sox get Beltran without giving up much in the way of prospects, that would be a huge addition. If Reddick is the real thing, he'll get the chance to compete against Kalish and prove it.

[AtWork]

No one has compared Reddick to Beltran in any way other than the production we may get from them this year. And that person is supposedly on your ignore list.

[example1]

Comparing Reddick to Beltran at this stage of Reddick's career is extremely premature. If the Sox get Beltran without giving up much in the way of prospects' date=' that would be a huge addition. If Reddick is the real thing, he'll get the chance to compete against Kalish and prove it.[/quote']

 

I'm not comparing their careers. I'm comparing how they are playing and don't see a huge need to upgrade, or take the bat out of a really hot hand.

 

I agree that if they could get Beltran without giving up too much it would be a good addition, I just don't envision them losing much sleep over it, particularly since Reddick is so good defensively too.

 

That said, they can't have too much OF depth and Reddick could potentially play all 3 positions and has a great arm. Having him as a 4th OF makes them really deep for the stretch run.

[redsoxbeatz]

I could deal with Upton. Even when he's not hitting' date=' he provides tremendous defense.[/quote']

 

That would be ridiculous, having Upton. If only.

[SoxSport]

They need a RHd bat who hits LHd pitching well, and who can play RF without killing himself.

 

You can get somebody like that without giving up much. That's what they are looking for.

 

Oh, and you can bet that Theo is trying to pry Hanley away from the Marlins. For that, he will give up the farm.

[a700hitter]

They need a RHd bat who hits LHd pitching well, and who can play RF without killing himself.

 

You can get somebody like that without giving up much. That's what they are looking for.

 

Oh, and you can bet that Theo is trying to pry Hanley away from the Marlins. For that, he will give up the farm.

In terms of prospects, Reyes would be cheaper than Hanley. Reyes is the better SS too.

[Spitball]

When pitchers are getting wasted the nights before their starts and are pitching hungover like Lackey has been doing this year and Lowe did when he was with us' date=' it becomes an onfield issue.[/quote']

 

Right. The guy has won more than 160 games "pitching hungover" in ther major leagues. I don't know where you get this insider information, but I'll go with Abraham Lincoln when someone complained about Grant's drinking.

 

"I need to find out what he drinks and get some for the rest of my generals."

 

Besides, I doubt Lowe or Lackey could possibly still be hungover by game time. Heck, the 2004 World Champion Boston Red Sox reportedly drank shots of Crown Royal before games. Grown men, making lots of money and having lots of time, tend to drink.

[SoxFanForsyth]

In terms of prospects' date=' Reyes would be cheaper than Hanley. Reyes is the better SS too.[/quote']

 

Reyes is going to be more expensive in terms of dollars, though. Plus Theo still has a massive love fest for HanRam. By no means do I expect the Sox to acquire HanRam, but at the same time, I wouldn't be shocked if they pulled him.

[Spitball]

Reyes is going to be more expensive in terms of dollars' date=' though. Plus Theo still has a massive love fest for HanRam. By no means do I expect the Sox to acquire HanRam, but at the same time, I wouldn't be shocked if they pulled him.[/quote']

 

I honestly do not think Epstein constructed this team with thoughts of ever putting a defensive liability at any position, especially shortstop. If Ramirez ever comes back, I believe it will be to play the outfield.

[Dojji]

That would be ridiculous, considering that you have to pay a premium talent for a shortstop, you're destroying a lot of the value you get back if you make him a right fielder.

 

Sides which, we have 3 solid starting outfielders right now.