Official Liverpool FC thread

[LFCkopite]

Hi all, we are glad Mr John Henry has taken us over with the NESV, we have had 3 terrible years under Hicks and Gillett, but for me we hope Henry doesnt rape the club like these two have, or like the Glazers at Manchester United.

[Ride The Walrus]

You'd better avoid the BBC interview. The fool thinks we were unlucky and controlled the game. Henry should get rid of him asap. Install Dalglish as caretaker and go from there. If we continue with Hodgson, we will lose our decent players and be relegated. The man is clueless, well and truly out of his depth. He has 4 players in world cup final sides, yet plays like a non-league team trying not to get hammered in a plum cup-tie. I've never seen a Liverpool manager so bad. Even Souness wasn't this bad, at least he injured our players in crazy training 13 mile runs, so we always had a weak set of players available. What's Hodgson's excuse? He looked utterly bewildered today, and appeared to be taking advice from Sammy oh-s***-no-idea Lee.

 

Same clueless tactics, same pathetic "defend and hoof" formations, same awful performance, and same lack of points as a result. He's a closet manc!

 

Manuel Pellegrini all the way, baby. It's agreed by pretty much all Liverpool fans that we want Hodgson out, if we want success, he's not the right way (Hodgson).

[Jez666]

It's not the Liverpool way to go against the players or manager, but the players are told what to do by the manager.

Everyone seems to be on Torres's back but for goodness sakes if anyone knows anything about tactics he is doing everything right, it's the midfield tactics that are screwed because we play too deep. Torres is like a spare part and when he does get the ball he has no support.

 

To be honest I like Roy Hodgson but he was not even the fans fourth or fifth choice. I still do not understand why the hell we didn't go for Pellegrini. He's still out of work since he was replaced at Real Madrid by Mourinho and he admitted that he was interested in the job.

 

Personally I don't think Roy will be there for long, in fact I will be surprised if he is still there come the Chelsea match and not through sacking but by his own admission that he is out of his depth.

 

EDIT

LOL great minds think alike Ride The Walrus!

[flred]

Manuel Pellegrini all the way' date=' baby. It's agreed by pretty much all Liverpool fans that we want Hodgson out, if we want success, he's not the right way (Hodgson).[/quote']

 

Well done, that's the chap. For the life of me I couldn't pull his name from my yolky brain.

[daveymac]

I disagree, I was glad to see the back of him. Maybe he would have done better with different owners, but I doubt it. The man was digging a grave for himself once Houllier's team was largely replaced. He'd invariably be spouting off and touting himself for a continental job before we had a big game. His "facts" outburst was ridiculous and embarrassing, he should have won the title and then had a dig if he wan't to be that childish, not in the middle of our season. His man-management was obviously suspect and the handling of Alonso/Barry was disgraceful. He also wasted a fortune on a lot of rubbish. Let's not get drawn into silly "net" figures put forward by his paid sycophant on the club's site, even the mancs probably have a decent "net" figure in Rafa's timescale, and Rafa inherited a side that won the champs league beating some very good sides along the way, despite some rather dodgy players, so he was hardly starting from nothing.

 

He had his chance, spent almost a quarter of a billion pounds, but came up short and left us with a terrible squad. Had he not put out squad players for filler teams, he may well have even won the league while Chelsea were rebuilding, and the mancs lost their way a little. I think he got too wrapped up in himself and lost the plot. Had he kept to his early years ideas, and not try to find ways to be clever, it could have been different. But then after losing his right hand man, maybe it wasn't Rafa after all?

 

Hodgson is clearly worse though! BBC site says the doddery old fool hasn't won away in 21 attempts. I guess they mean the league, but still, that's terrible! Let's hope he ends that run today. Phweeeeep, we've just kicked off!

 

 

BLODY HELL WHO LET FREDFLUNK FROM THE ECHO ON HERE. What a load of utter rubbish.

[Spudboy]

BLODY HELL WHO LET FREDFLUNK FROM THE ECHO ON HERE. What a load of utter rubbish.

 

Give him hell Davey!

[flred]

BLODY HELL WHO LET FREDFLUNK FROM THE ECHO ON HERE. What a load of utter rubbish.

 

You honestly believe Rafa was our future? BWAHAHAHAHA!

 

EDIT: I like the way you made an effort to discuss given points, rather that kneejerk Rafa fanboyism.

[daveymac]

Give him hell Davey!

 

 

Unfortunately every sports club has a following of nut cases. LFC is no exception. There are a lot of jealous supporters of other clubs out there who take great delight in stirring the proverbial. Have a nice day, YNWA.

[LFCFAN]

I think I liked their jerseys. That's what it was, I think. Red with white sleeves... classy look.

 

I'm pretty good with the rules, I watch the World Cup and the premiere league when they show it on ESPN every once in a while. It's just the players I don't know well, and the league structure I don't have a damn clue of.

 

Hey See Red, I'll try and explain the league structure etc for you.

 

Liverpool play in the Premier League, sometimes called the EPL in the USA.

 

The EPL has 20 teams, everybody plays everybody twice (home and away), 39 games in total. You get 3 points for a win, 1 for a draw and 0 for a loss. The team with the most points at the end of the season wins the title. The three teams with the lowest number of points are relegated to the division below (called The Championship) and three teams are promoted from the Championship to the EPL.

 

Below the EPL there are 3 professional divisions with 24 teams each, all have promotion and relegation. Below that there are dozens of divisions of semi professional teams.

 

Teams in the EPL have the chance to qualify for one of two European competitions to play against teams from France, Germany, Spain etc. The top 4 teams in the EPL qualify for the UEFA Champions League. The team finishing 5th qualify for the Europa League.

 

The two european competitions begin with a group stage, each team is drawn into a group of 4, each team is played twice, home and away. The top 2 teams from each group qualify for the knockout stages. Before the final the knockout stages consist of several rounds where 2 teams are drawn against each other, they play twice (home and away) and the winner over the 2 games goes through to the next round. The final is one game played at a neutral stadium somewhere in europe, it changes every year.

 

There are also 2 domestic competitions, The Carling Cup and The FA Cup. These consist of knockout games, every team in England qualifies. The teams in the EPL don't play from the start, they join later on when the number of teams has been reduced a little bit. The final is a one off game at Wembely, the national stadium. If the winners of the domestic cups finish in the top 5 in the EPL, the teams finishing 5th and 7th qualify for the Europa League instead.

 

Does that make sense?!

 

Could you explain the baseball season? I don't get it!

[gebhoy]

I wouldnt say i have a soft spot for any English football (soccer) team, if i had one it would be for Liverpool. I am a Glasgow Celtic fan.

 

English football is slowly strangling the European game by its over inflated self worth and the ridiculous amounts of money that the English clubs throw about.

 

You have to ask where does NESV see any profits coming out of this investment and what is the possible effects on the sox?

 

Liverpool need a new stadium, Anfield has maxed out its capacity and is a poor venue by modern standards, the team itself is a poor shadow of the side that won the Champions League a few years ago, in Hodgson they have a good solid manager with backing will do a good job for them.

 

All these things cost $$$$$$$$$, if NESV are investing the money you need to, to compete in the English Premeirship then surely that is money that they will not be invested in Boston.

 

Liverpool fans are deluding themselves that NESV are the saviors of the club, the money needed to compete with both Manchester clubs never mind Chelsea is in the hundreds of millions every season, if Gillet and Hicks could not turn a profit, how can NESV?, all be it that NESV are not leveraging the buy out!

 

I just have a bad feeling that this acquisition will not be good for either club.

[LFCFAN]

I wouldnt say i have a soft spot for any English football (soccer) team, if i had one it would be for Liverpool. I am a Glasgow Celtic fan.

 

English football is slowly strangling the European game by its over inflated self worth and the ridiculous amounts of money that the English clubs throw about.

 

You have to ask where does NESV see any profits coming out of this investment and what is the possible effects on the sox?

 

Liverpool need a new stadium, Anfield has maxed out its capacity and is a poor venue by modern standards, the team itself is a poor shadow of the side that won the Champions League a few years ago, in Hodgson they have a good solid manager with backing will do a good job for them.

 

All these things cost $$$$$$$$$, if NESV are investing the money you need to, to compete in the English Premeirship then surely that is money that they will not be invested in Boston.

 

Liverpool fans are deluding themselves that NESV are the saviors of the club, the money needed to compete with both Manchester clubs never mind Chelsea is in the hundreds of millions every season, if Gillet and Hicks could not turn a profit, how can NESV?, all be it that NESV are not leveraging the buy out!

 

I just have a bad feeling that this acquisition will not be good for either club.

 

Hi Gebhoy, google UEFA financial fair play and have a read, this will put us way ahead of Chelsea and Man City financially. Man United are crippled by their debt. A new stadium and continued commercial development by Ian Ayre and we'll carry on making more and more money.

[gebhoy]

LFCFan,

 

That is what is crippling the game, the endless pursuit of money, yes the Uefa rules will change some of the financial madness that envolpes your game, but not all.

 

 

Has the world cup taught you anything, the endless hype by Sky and the written press gives a massive miss-impression of the EPL, yes there are good games, but there are some rank rotten ones as well.

 

Look at the press out to get Capello, its madness, paying players 100K per week no wonder so many clubs are teetering on the brink, Celtic have no debt a 60,000 seater stadium a season ticket base down now to around 43000 from 55000 2 years ago, we cannot even qualify for the Europa league.

 

We cannot compete with Championship clubs when it comes to paying wages, a club with the history and European stature as ours, we suffer absolutely from the madness in your game, so maybe i am biased.

 

Look at the cost of watching a game in the premiership, you need a bloody mortgage just for a season ticket! i have an adult and child season ticket which cost 400 quid for both, how much does it cost to watch Liverpool?

 

I just think that when the ownership of your club goes into the hands of an investment house with absolutely no emotional attachment to your club it is a very dangerous thing, and i am also a red sox fan and i just cant see it being good for us.

 

gebhoy

[sheffieldcelt]

another celtic fan here

 

this deal will be good for liverpool, they were being mis managed and have potential to be biggest and most famous club in the world (apart from the world famous celtic of glasgow)

 

NESV can make this happen with good management

 

 

i would hope that celtic fc remain the most popular team in boston tho:D

[a700hitter]

Why is all this Liverpool Stuff on a Red Sox Forum? Aren't there other forums for foreign sports?

[Virgil Stallcup]

Liverpool have tremendous revenue resources independent of the Red Sox and NESV. NESV have absorbed the acquisition cost of purchasing Liverpool, so you're not going to see Liverpool's revenue being outsourced to service interest payments on loans made against the club to facilitate the purchase of the club.

 

For the first time, we're going to see how an ownership group whose primary mission is to operate sports clubs and sports-related enterprises handle the challenges of operating a football club. This isn't some owner who shows up after making his mint deciding it would be fun to run a club. NESV are in sport. It isn't their hobby. It is their business.

 

In that situation, there is a deeper understanding as to what needs doing on and off the field. I don't know what the future holds for NESV and Liverpool. But I can't think of an owner better positioned to build something special long-term than Henry, Werner, and the others who make up NESV.

[Sunny]

Why is all this Liverpool Stuff on a Red Sox Forum? Aren't there other forums for foreign sports?

 

If you don't like it lad, don't read it. Not really a difficult concept is it? 'Foreign' sports...do you ever read what you write?

[Sunny]

@flred and daveymac.

 

flred has some valid points about Rafa with regards he'd still spent a lot and, at times, bought badly. As all managers do. Alex Ferguson has bought is fair share of duffers. Problem is the issues are magnified at Liverpool due to the overall weakness of the squad. The blame for that can be laid at Rafas door but there's no way you cannot lay that at the door of the owners either. Net investment, for a club, of our side was atrocious. Something like ?27m during the reign of Gillet and Hicks. Sickening given me spent many multiples of that on interest and penalty payments - perhaps four or five fold. Benitez does have to take the blame for how the players performed on the pitch - he simply wasn't making the best of what he had. Nor is Hodgson.

[Redguard]

Why is all this Liverpool Stuff on a Red Sox Forum? Aren't there other forums for foreign sports?

 

We look forward to a healthy exchange of views on our sports. I am mindful that we are guests over here and personally I don't want to encroach too much. There is a common denominator in terms of NESV (which does not appear to have its own forum), however this topic was created and dedicated to matters concerning LFC. Other than that, we do share a common bond of passion and tolerance. However if you don't care for football I still respect the particular choice of which sport you wish to follow. You would be made very welcome on our forum mate; if you want to chat about MLB & life in general then please feel free to drop by and if you want I'll create a Red Sox topic thread in your honour.

 

http://scouse.forum-gratuiti.com/index.htm

 

YNWA

[a700hitter]

We look forward to a healthy exchange of views on our sports. I am mindful that we are guests over here and personally I don't want to encroach too much. There is a common denominator in terms of NESV (which does not appear to have its own forum), however this topic was created and dedicated to matters concerning LFC. Other than that, we do share a common bond of passion and tolerance. However if you don't care for football I still respect the particular choice of which sport you wish to follow. You would be made very welcome on our forum mate; if you want to chat about MLB & life in general then please feel free to drop by and if you want I'll create a Red Sox topic thread in your honour.

 

http://scouse.forum-gratuiti.com/index.htm

 

YNWA

So reasonable and respectful. You have no chance of fitting in here.

[daveymac]

@flred and daveymac.

 

flred has some valid points about Rafa with regards he'd still spent a lot and, at times, bought badly. As all managers do. Alex Ferguson has bought is fair share of duffers. Problem is the issues are magnified at Liverpool due to the overall weakness of the squad. The blame for that can be laid at Rafas door but there's no way you cannot lay that at the door of the owners either. Net investment, for a club, of our side was atrocious. Something like ?27m during the reign of Gillet and Hicks. Sickening given me spent many multiples of that on interest and penalty payments - perhaps four or five fold. Benitez does have to take the blame for how the players performed on the pitch - he simply wasn't making the best of what he had. Nor is Hodgson.

 

 

RAFA WASN'T MAKING THE BEST OF THE PLAYERS HE HAD, Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing at that one. He took those players to 2nd place in the league with the highest points total of any Liverpool team since the start of the Premiership. Purslow was brought in for the following season and instead of investing in players to make the final push, he was responsible for a sell to buy policy which took control of player precurment out of the managers hands. As Rafa has just pointed out in his last press Interview. He (Purslow) changed everything. Its purslow that should have been given the chop, not Rafa. ( WE WANT OUR GAFFER BACK )

[sheffieldcelt]

liverpool's demise-one point totally under estimated in it all

 

 

xavi alonso

[Sunny]

RAFA WASN'T MAKING THE BEST OF THE PLAYERS HE HAD' date=' Excuse me while I fall off my chair laughing at that one. He took those players to 2nd place in the league with the highest points total of any Liverpool team since the start of the Premiership. Purslow was brought in for the following season and instead of investing in players to make the final push, he was responsible for a sell to buy policy which took control of player precurment out of the managers hands. As Rafa has just pointed out in his last press Interview. He (Purslow) changed everything. Its purslow that should have been given the chop, not Rafa. ( WE WANT OUR GAFFER BACK )[/quote']

 

Don't embarrass yourself with the "while I fall of my chair" stuff. It's just typical hysterical know-it-all superfan bollocks. You seem adequately intelligent enough to get your point across without going all RAWK.

Purslow was decidely shifty but you can't throw all the blame at that door - it's narrow minded bollocks. So the ?20m completely spunked on a sicknote Italian last year was the fault of Purslow ? As was the purchase of Keane - oh wait Purslow wasn't there so you can't have that one. And the completely and utterly dross style of football we were subjected to last season was Purslows fault as well ? Lucas ? Purslow again I guess. Insua ? Alonsos departure ? Shall I carry on ? Purslow is by no means innocent in what's transpired and especially shoddy in the treatment of Rafa but Benitez has to shoulder the blame too. His team were playing f***ing shite last year - utter, utter shite. Rafa made some undoubted good buys and he bought some dross too. Nunez, Gonzalez, Paletta, Pennant, El Zhar, Leto, Voronin, Babel, Degen, Dossena, Ngog etc..

 

This years form is simply an extension of last years poor form magnified by a manager who's completely clueless. Now I'd rather have Rafa any day over Roy and I actually like the guy (Rafa) and believed he did everything he thought was right for the club. He wasn't helped by the board but the negative defensive minded approach Benitez took is no-ones fault but his own. Two defensive mids at home against mid-table shite ? Don't make me laugh. He worried about getting beat more than he did about beating teams and his substitutions defied belief at times.

 

Purslows gone from that side with things and I agree with that move.

 

WE WANT OUR GAFFER BACK ? Sorry, but not all of us do and what would be the point ? I thank Benitez for what he did for us but it was time to move on - but not in the manner he was 'moved' on. That was a classic stitch up by Purslow I agree. He improved LFC to a point and then couldn't take it any further. I'd be quite happy for him to come back and prove me wrong but, as I've said, I don't see the value in it for some years to come. He'd lost the dressing room by the time he'd left.

 

Oh, and I can read adequately well. I DO NOT NEED THE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS TO ASSIST ME.

[daveymac]

Don't embarrass yourself with the "while I fall of my chair" stuff. It's just typical hysterical know-it-all superfan bollocks. You seem adequately intelligent enough to get your point across without going all RAWK.

Purslow was decidely shifty but you can't throw all the blame at that door - it's narrow minded bollocks. So the ?20m completely spunked on a sicknote Italian last year was the fault of Purslow ? As was the purchase of Keane - oh wait Purslow wasn't there so you can't have that one. And the completely and utterly dross style of football we were subjected to last season was Purslows fault as well ? Lucas ? Purslow again I guess. Insua ? Alonsos departure ? Shall I carry on ? Purslow is by no means innocent in what's transpired and especially shoddy in the treatment of Rafa but Benitez has to shoulder the blame too. His team were playing f***ing shite last year - utter, utter shite. Rafa made some undoubted good buys and he bought some dross too. Nunez, Gonzalez, Paletta, Pennant, El Zhar, Leto, Voronin, Babel, Degen, Dossena, Ngog etc..

 

This years form is simply an extension of last years poor form magnified by a manager who's completely clueless. Now I'd rather have Rafa any day over Roy and I actually like the guy (Rafa) and believed he did everything he thought was right for the club. He wasn't helped by the board but the negative defensive minded approach Benitez took is no-ones fault but his own. Two defensive mids at home against mid-table shite ? Don't make me laugh. He worried about getting beat more than he did about beating teams and his substitutions defied belief at times.

 

Purslows gone from that side with things and I agree with that move.

 

WE WANT OUR GAFFER BACK ? Sorry, but not all of us do and what would be the point ? I thank Benitez for what he did for us but it was time to move on - but not in the manner he was 'moved' on. That was a classic stitch up by Purslow I agree. He improved LFC to a point and then couldn't take it any further. I'd be quite happy for him to come back and prove me wrong but, as I've said, I don't see the value in it for some years to come. He'd lost the dressing room by the time he'd left.

 

Oh, and I can read adequately well. I DO NOT NEED THE USE OF CAPITAL LETTERS TO ASSIST ME.

 

 

Thats your opinion and you are welcome to it, thankfully you are now in a minority. To say Rafa is a defence minded manager is utter balls. He has his Inter Milan scoring goals for fun, but guess what, he now has owners who believe in him and are backing him the way Hicks never did. Rafa is the best tactical brain in European football bar none and with the proper support he will win everything in sight. Just a pity it wont be for the REDS. Get Kenny in till the end of the season and bust the bank to get Rafa back for the start of next season. And that my friend is the opinion of the majority of LFC fans at this moment in time. YNWA.

[daveymac]

liverpool's demise-one point totally under estimated in it all

 

 

xavi alonso

 

 

Not at all mate, he had one good season for LFC and that was his last season at the club after Rafa had given him a good kick up the ass and threatened to sell him. The problem came when Hicks didnt allow Rafa to use the money we got for him to buy a like for like replacement. Sell to buy ment sell to line Hick's pockets. :thumbdown

[BigSox]

I think I liked their jerseys. That's what it was, I think. Red with white sleeves... classy look.

 

I'm pretty good with the rules, I watch the World Cup and the premiere league when they show it on ESPN every once in a while. It's just the players I don't know well, and the league structure I don't have a damn clue of.

League structure is dead easy - just a straight set of leagues down to about the 6th level, then the pyramid fans out from there.

 

And the players are on Wikipedia mate, and you will find Reds fans opinions on them here:

 

scouse.forum-gratuiti.com

[BigSox]

http://www.thepyramid.info/

 

Complete league structure, right down to the lowest amateur league

[See Red]

League structure is dead easy - just a straight set of leagues down to about the 6th level, then the pyramid fans out from there.

 

And the players are on Wikipedia mate, and you will find Reds fans opinions on them here:

 

scouse.forum-gratuiti.com

 

I don't understand what you mean by that. I don't understand the relegation aspect, in terms of what different leagues there are to be relegated and promoted throughout, and what is the difference between the Champions League and the premiere league? What is the big championship?

[BigSox]

I don't understand what you mean by that. I don't understand the relegation aspect' date=' in terms of what different leagues there are to be relegated and promoted throughout, and what is the difference between the Champions League and the premiere league? What is the big championship?[/quote']

The Premier League is purely the English league, like the World Series is the American Championship. The Champions League is the European Champions Cup - basically the best teams from each league in Europe ie Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England all compete for the trophy. Its not really a league, more like the World Cup in structure. The winner of that is the European Champion - which Liverpool have been 5 times, most recently in 2005. Most Liverpool fans will go all watery-eyed if you say the words Istanbul 2005

[BigSox]

I don't understand what you mean by that. I don't understand the relegation aspect' date=' in terms of what different leagues there are to be relegated and promoted throughout, and what is the difference between the Champions League and the premiere league? What is the big championship?[/quote']

Also - check my above link

[See Red]

The Premier League is purely the English league' date=' like the World Series is the American Championship. The Champions League is the European Champions Cup - basically the best teams from each league in Europe ie Spain, Italy, Germany, France, England all compete for the trophy. Its not really a league, more like the World Cup in structure. The winner of that is the European Champion - which Liverpool have been 5 times, most recently in 2005. Most Liverpool fans will go all watery-eyed if you say the words Istanbul 2005 [/quote']

 

So the Champions League is the big deal? If you're talking about how many championships you've won, your talking about winning the Champions League?

 

My confusion, I guess, is because as you mentioned the World Series in American Baseball, that's it. Once you win the World Series, you're the ultimate Champions. You don't go on and play a tournament against other teams that won their leagues.

 

I'll check out the link when I get some more time. I do appreciate the help!