Moss to Vikings?

[Northern Star]

I don't see it being the Bills. That would be really' date=' really, stupid.[/quote']

 

I agree. The Bills would never take a big time WR like Moss or TO when their OL is so bad...<_>

[yankees228]

I doubt he falls all the way down to them, but I'd take a chance on him if I were the Giants. They haven't had the one receiver which teams roll coverages over to since Plaxico, and Randy would represent their first true deep threat since Plax as well. He would also open up the middle of the field for Nicks, Smith, and Boss. There's all the possibility that a chance to play for a title would re-energize Moss.

 

Even if he does fall all the way to the Giants, I doubt Jerry Reese and co. would pull the trigger, but it's an intriguing thought.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't know why but I have a feeling Moss could end up with the Cheifs. I'd be so pissed if he does.

[boston22407]

I think he ends up with a top team.if a bad team picks him up i bet he no shows and he can be right back were he is,and yes he can do that

[boston22407]

read on another site, that all 32 teams will pass on him and min will have to pay the rest of his money and then someone will pay him some cheap ass contract worth less then a 1million

[SCM33]

Don't put Moss on the Chiefs' date=' Raiders or Broncos and I don't care where he goes. It'd be interresting to see Moss go back to NE and watch everyones opinions change.[/quote']

 

My opinion wont change, promise you that, actually I am one of the few that agreed with the move if you read through all of the posts in this thread.

 

When he was here I was sick of the long incomplete passes and the 2nd and long as well as 3rd and long situations which would FORCE us to throw the ball even more. The running game disappeared when Randy was here. Its not all Randy's fault as Maroney was one of the worst RB's in the NFL (currently buried on the DEN bench and hasnt had a carry in 2 weeks). Things have worked out fine. We are scoring less but thats ok, a win is a win and when we had our most success (early to mid 00's) it was not because we were scoring 40 points a game.

 

Go to talkpats.com where you will see me say the same things over and over. Run the ball, time of possession and play action passing, all of which DID NOT EXIST when Randy was here.

[mvp 78]

Yes, you do have a huge mancrush for BGE.

[Spudboy]

Yes' date=' you do have a huge mancrush for BGE.[/quote']

 

Who is this directed towards?

 

No one on Talkpats has ever expressed anything resembling a man crush on Benny.

 

We all like him, but realize he is not a feature back.

[boston22407]

yea no one has a huge crush on him , but he gets the job done or more then are old friend that plays in Denver

[SCM33]

Who is this directed towards?

 

No one on Talkpats has ever expressed anything resembling a man crush on Benny.

 

We all like him, but realize he is not a feature back.

 

Its directed towards me, and I am ok with that....I have a mini man crush on him haha.

 

How can you not love an undrafted rookie who has put his time in, paid his dues and is running hard while getting results? Hes had a couple of games now close to 100 yards rushing. If you understood how much I loathed Maroney, youd understand why I appreciate BJGE so much. I HATED Maroney.

[italstallianion]

Its directed towards me, and I am ok with that....I have a mini man crush on him haha.

 

How can you not love an undrafted rookie who has put his time in, paid his dues and is running hard while getting results? Hes had a couple of games now close to 100 yards rushing. If you understood how much I loathed Maroney, youd understand why I appreciate BJGE so much. I HATED Maroney.

 

 

Up until you said BJGE, I thought you were talking about Woodhead.

[YanksHater213]

BJGE is awesome. He looks so much better cause we're used to Maroney's dancing, but BJGE makes one move and pounds the hole. The guy is a pretty solid back.

[SCM33]

Up until you said BJGE' date=' I thought you were talking about Woodhead.[/quote']

 

I think the same applies for him. Its hard not to cheer for those types of players.

[Emmz]

Some talk in MN that Childress will be fired as early as tomorrow, and that he didn't tell management that he had planned to cut Moss. I don't know what the hell is going on, but I don't know if Childress survives the season as head coach, the players don't respect him anymore. I don't think the Moss stuff is true (that Childress didn't tell management, I don't think he can even do that), but I do think there's a chance Childress is fired, and Frazier gets promoted to head coach within the week.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Good. Childress doesn't look like a football coach. Every time I see him on TV he looks like he should be teaching History or English in high school.

 

You put a picture of every head coach in football next to each other and pretend it's a high school yearbook photo. Guess which guy is the one who got stuffed into lockers?

 

Yep. Brad Childress.

 

Bill Cowher's jaw looks more like a football coach than this man.

[Emmz]

And you don't realize that the Packers improvement would be based on things other than the quarterback. Ask the Jets if the Packers defense is improved.

 

One game of good defense (The Jets moved the ball more, actually) does not change that they're ranked 18th overall in total defense, giving up 341 yards a game. Last year's defense according to what I'm seeing, was ranked second in total defense. :dunno:

 

I never expected them to be this far from last season's team, either.

[Emmz]

Really? Patriots are the league's top-scoring team at 29.3 points per game

 

They haven't even touched 29 points since Moss left. Brady's completion rate has dropped by 15 points, and has thrown just 3 TDs.

[Emmz]

You realize you just made my point for me' date=' don't you? You're arguing about a season in retrospect once we already knew the aftermath and trying to say there's no chance that the current squad can emulate it, even though we don't know which if any of our current defense might turn out to have great careers like those all-pros did.[/quote']

 

No, I'm not, you're putting words in my mouth. The Patriots have one of the worst defenses in the NFL, the 2001-2004 Patriots were typically ranked very high in total defense (the 2003 and 2004 teams were ranked 1 and 2 in scoring defense, while being ranked 7 and 9 in total defense). I'm talking about right now, not daydreaming about how some of these guys might magically turn into all pros.

 

OK now the question becomes, why do you feel he can't do that with this crop of players? They've shown they can hold some solid offenses to reasonable numbers and they can make big plays defensively, why do you seem to be so very convinced that they won't round into shape as the season wears on?

 

Because this crop of players, as of right now, is ranked 28th in total defense, and while they certainly could suddenly decide to pull it together, right now that's not the case. Like I said, you're seriously getting way ahead of yourself. No one in 2001 expected the Patriots to suddenly build a dynasty. You shouldn't right now, either.

 

Top 10 in total defense and playing the by-the-book bend and don't break Pats D, looks just fine to me. That was a very good offense they held under 20 points last night with a lot of tools in the toolbox. Seems to me that the Patriot D is a lot better than you're prepared to give it credit for.

 

They're in the bottom five, not top-ten.

[Dojji]

BJGE is awesome. He looks so much better cause we're used to Maroney's dancing' date=' but BJGE makes one move and pounds the hole. The guy is a pretty solid back.[/quote']

 

Aye. He isn't a gamebreaker, but he's the kind of guy the Pats love best -- Team first, hard worker type who does his job and doesn't try to pick up points for style. Guys like that are the ones that BB loves best to work with.

[TheKilo]

One game of good defense (The Jets moved the ball more, actually) does not change that they're ranked 18th overall in total defense, giving up 341 yards a game. Last year's defense according to what I'm seeing, was ranked second in total defense. :dunno:

 

I never expected them to be this far from last season's team, either.

 

You're serious, right? 5-3, but with an average loss of 3 points? Coming from someone who said the Vikings should be a 10+ win team again this season based on absolutely nothing.

[TheKilo]

And I won't even go into the injury discussion. Have you SEEN the players the Packers are starting on defense now?

[TheKilo]

To complete the triple post, I'd love to see Moss on the Chiefs. They're already a very exciting team and if they add another playmaker to that offense they'll be in great shape.

[Emmz]

You're serious' date=' right? 5-3, but with an average loss of 3 points? Coming from someone who said the Vikings should be a 10+ win team again this season based on absolutely nothing.[/quote']

 

They had an elite defense last season, expecting it to improve is as asinine as expecting Rodgers to improve on what should have been an MVP season.

 

I said this back then, and I said the Vikings would be a 10+ win team in response to the ridiculous analysis of how great the Packers were, it was to illustrate a point. It was like an episode of The Twilight Zone when pretty much everyone was expecting this: Aaron Rodgers to do better than 4,434 yards, 30 TDs, the best interception rate at 1.3% with 65% completions. I'll ask you, what can you improve on that? Peyton Manning has never had a better interception rate, has only gone over the yardage twice, has only had 30 or more TDs 5 times.

 

You just said that their defense has improved, but now you're saying they've regressed? Which is it? The Packers were not going to get any better than last year defensively, when they were ranked #2 in total defense.

 

They're 5-3, and extremely lucky they didn't lose two of those games. I don't see how them being in close games all year benefits your argument, but regardless, there's no merit to the expectations that you, and so many others had. It was all based on some silly assumption that things could only go up from where they were.

[Emmz]

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/18879/bbao-zygi-wilf-angered-by-moss-departure on topic.

[TheKilo]

I'm sorry, when did I say the Packers defense has regressed? If anything, they've exceeded my expectations for this season based on the injuries they've had back there, especially in the secondary. They've lost Jones, Barnett, Harris, Bigby, and Burnett and have been without Jenkins and Matthews at times this year and yet have been competitive in every single game they have had this season. They've cut back on the penalties which killed them all of last season. It's the offense that hasn't gotten up to speed yet and yes it would have been ludicrous to expect Rodgers to improve statistically from last year but he can still improve when it comes to winning games when he doesn't have great passing days. In other words, winning ugly or winning games they're not supposed to win. That's my biggest criticism of this team - they've got a lot of front-runner in them but that fades with experience, and I expected then to win a lot more ugly games this year. Sunday was a great example of winning ugly - which beats the he'll out of losing ugly.

[boston22407]

im just saying im tired of hearing about this teams that wont even make the playoffs are interested in moss ,he wont play for them

[YanksHater213]

They haven't even touched 29 points since Moss left. Brady's completion rate has dropped by 15 points' date=' and has thrown just 3 TDs.[/quote']

 

3 games, 3 wins. All that matters.

[boston22407]

3 games' date=' 3 wins. All that matters.[/quote']

 

ONE CLAP

[Emmz]

I'm sorry' date=' when did I say the Packers defense has regressed? If anything, they've exceeded my expectations for this season based on the injuries they've had back there, especially in the secondary. They've lost Jones, Barnett, Harris, Bigby, and Burnett and have been without Jenkins and Matthews at times this year and yet have been competitive in every single game they have had this season. They've cut back on the penalties which killed them all of last season. It's the offense that hasn't gotten up to speed yet and yes it would have been ludicrous to expect Rodgers to improve statistically from last year but he can still improve when it comes to winning games when he doesn't have great passing days. In other words, winning ugly or winning games they're not supposed to win. That's my biggest criticism of this team - they've got a lot of front-runner in them but that fades with experience, and I expected then to win a lot more ugly games this year. Sunday was a great example of winning ugly - which beats the he'll out of losing ugly.[/quote']

 

That's fair, but with or without those guys, it's hard to beat last year's team, which as far as having everything, was only matched by the Vikings. You can point out that the Colts and Saints had better records, but those two teams were actually very poor defensively, whereas the Vikings and Packers had both elite offense and defense.

 

That's where it's hard for me to believe that they could improve. I thought that Favre would regress from last season, but I didn't expect him to totally revert to gunslinger mode. I didn't expect Rodgers to play like this either, he's actually keeping up with Favre for interceptions. I don't think anyone saw the Vikings, Chargers, Packers or Saints playing so poorly.

[Emmz]

3 games' date=' 3 wins. All that matters.[/quote']

 

So the fact that they were out-gained in all three games doesn't concern you? The fact that Brady had a completion rate over 70% before, but under 60% since, doesn't concern you? I could understand if you would sound the least bit objective, but that's not the case. I guess ignorance is bliss.