The Official 2010 Hot Stove Thread.

[bsox0407]

I'm not sure if this site is for real or not but here's a link and it says Lee staying in texas

 

http://www.rotoinfo.com/read_comment.php?commentId=56417

 

I heard about this. How does he know for sure since he is in prison.

[jacksonianmarch]

Montero is considered a DH rather than a catcher. I have heard that he is the David Ortiz of Catchers.

 

He's not the best defensively, but certainly not the David Ortiz of catchers. He's not quick, which is his biggest detraction. But he has a good arm and who knows how he calls a game.

[italstallianion]

Why would the Yankees go after Martin and have him for at least 2 years if he was gonna be a backup anyway.

 

 

For a few reasons, which I thought had already been mentioned in the thread. First, it can f*** with the Red Sox's "need" for Martin (emphasis on the quotation marks since people here want him more than I do) and it won't cost much money. In addition, the Yankees will likely let Posada go after next year so the catcher flexibility and money would be available.

 

In addition, if the Yankees somehow don't get Lee, they can trade Montero for a front line starter which would then make Russell Martin the starter. Russell Martin is more of an insurance policy (and a f*** you Boston policy) than anything else.

[Meh]

Martin would acually help the Yankees... this isn't a move just to say f the red sox. He's a nice buy low move and wouldn't cost us a pick or prospects. Same reason why the Jays and Red Sox want him. It's a gamble and it could pay off, but if it doesn't just non tender him next year.

[Cocos Disciples]

Martin is too small of an acquisition to be considered a "f*** you" to Boston. That would be childish. The Sox can sign Austin Kearns next, it'll be a huge slap in the face.

 

I could buy the idea that the Yankees learned they aren't getting Lee, and have a Montero-for-ace trade ready to go.

[bsox0407]

For a few reasons' date=' [b']which I thought had already been mentioned in the thread.[/b] First, it can f*** with the Red Sox's "need" for Martin (emphasis on the quotation marks since people here want him more than I do) and it won't cost much money. In addition, the Yankees will likely let Posada go after next year so the catcher flexibility and money would be available.

 

In addition, if the Yankees somehow don't get Lee, they can trade Montero for a front line starter which would then make Russell Martin the starter. Russell Martin is more of an insurance policy (and a f*** you Boston policy) than anything else.

 

Sorry I haven't been able to read every single post. I mean this seriously not sarcastically.

 

Okay those are reasonable possibilities. If I was Martin I would wait to see where Lee Goes. If he Goes to NYY then Martin Should got there. If not The Yankees Pitching Rotation are hurting and I would Go elsewhere.

 

About Montero most Scouts say he is a great hitter and will eventually have to give up on catching since and he will become a 1B or DH. They say he is too big and slow behind the plate.

[italstallianion]

Don't worry about it, I didn't mean to come off as an ass either.

[bsox0407]

Don't worry about it' date=' I didn't mean to come off as an ass either.[/quote']

 

You didnt i just felt like a dick that I missed it if you said it. School Is Killing me. f*** Finals.

[BSN07]

I could buy the idea that the Yankees learned they aren't getting Lee' date=' and have a Montero-for-ace trade ready to go.[/quote']

 

This. I wonder who though? Grienke has been mentioned the most. I ca see it. Liriano makes no sense since the Twins best players currently play 1B and C. SO Montero probably has little value to them. I rad Lowe's name once, I would love that Outside of that I'm struggling to think of an Ace type that could be moved :dunno: Would the Mets move Santana? Are the Yankees that desperate? s*** could really hit the fan in NY if Lee is staying is Texas

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the new motivation to corral Beltre in Texas might point in the Lee to the Yankees direction. We'll see, but the fact that he is waiting so long tells me he either is trying to get more money out of the Rangers or he is trying to get accustomed to the idea of being a Yankee. CC had the offer out there forever as well, before he signed. I expect the same out of Lee.

[italstallianion]

This. I wonder who though? Grienke has been mentioned the most. I ca see it. Liriano makes no sense since the Twins best players currently play 1B and C. SO Montero probably has little value to them. I rad Lowe's name once' date=' I would love that Outside of that I'm struggling to think of an Ace type that could be moved :dunno: Would the Mets move Santana? Are the Yankees that desperate? s*** could really hit the fan in NY if Lee is staying is Texas [/quote']

 

 

 

I have a NASTY feeling that it could be Josh Johnson. You all know how bad the Marlins are at penny pinching, and how bad the Yankees are at NOT penny pinching, and that the Marlins would have no shot at signing Johnson as a free agent. Johnson is signed through 2013 (7.75M in 2011, 13.75M in 2012 and 2013) I think the Yankees can get Johnson by trading Montero easily, especially if the Yankees take a bad contract off of the Marlin's hands (much like we did when we got Beckett and Lowell, or the Tigers did when they get Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis). If the Yankees get Johnson, then WE. ARE. F*****.

[BSN07]

I have a NASTY feeling that it could be Josh Johnson. You all know how bad the Marlins are at penny pinching' date=' and how bad the Yankees are at NOT penny pinching, and that the Marlins would have no shot at signing Johnson as a free agent. Johnson is signed through 2013 (7.75M in 2011, 13.75M in 2012 and 2013) I think the Yankees can get Johnson by trading Montero easily, especially if the Yankees take a bad contract off of the Marlin's hands (much like we did when we got Beckett and Lowell, or the Tigers did when they get Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis). If the Yankees get Johnson, then WE. ARE. F*****.[/quote']

 

They traded Uggla. But other then that the haven't shown they want to sell off anymore pieces. They even handed out the teams biggest FA contract ad added Vasquez. Not sure how quick they would want to move their ace :dunno:

[jacksonianmarch]

It wont be Johnson. I think the Marlins are in prime position to be contenders in the NL this year, especially if Gaby Sanchez and Logan Morrison take the next steps towards being solid big league contributors

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I would cry if the Yankees get Josh Johnson.

[italstallianion]

They traded Uggla. But other then that the haven't shown they want to sell off anymore pieces. They even handed out the teams biggest FA contract ad added Vasquez. Not sure how quick they would want to move their ace :dunno:

 

 

In a couple years when he starts costing much more (and when they have to keep paying Hanley Ramirez) they might be convinced otherwise. Not to mention that the Marlins might have another cheap prospect rise up as many others did before him. I'm not saying that Johnson is likely headed to NY (yet), but I can't say that I'd be all that surprised if such a move EVENTUALLY occurred.

[BSN07]

In a couple years when he starts costing much more (and when they have to keep paying Hanley Ramirez) they might be convinced otherwise. Not to mention that the Marlins might have another cheap prospect rise up as many others did before him. I'm not saying that Johnson is likely headed to NY (yet)' date=' but I can't say that I'd be all that surprised if such a move EVENTUALLY occurred.[/quote']

 

Eventually? Yes, I can see it as well. Right now? Less likely. I think I'll be surprised if it's anyone other then Grienke.

[italstallianion]

Cmon Carl Pavano part 2...I think that Grienke is mentally what Pavano (and Burnett) are physically.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd be okay with Greinke if the prospect cost wasnt huge. Hell, we dealt with Pavano's albatross contract just fine. But giving up the best offensive prospect in the game is not in the best interest of this organization if all we are getting back is a 100 million dollar arm and a 10 cent head

[BSN07]

I'd be okay with Greinke if the prospect cost wasnt huge. Hell' date=' we dealt with Pavano's albatross contract just fine. But giving up the best offensive prospect in the game is not in the best interest of this organization if all we are getting back is a 100 million dollar arm and a 10 cent head[/quote']

 

It's going to probably cost Montero and then some. I thought Grienke might be able to handle Boston when his name was being discussed as a possible trade target. So I can't go and say he will fail miserably in NY. It is a risk. But one the Yankees might be forced to take.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think we'd be forced to do anything right now. If we resign Pettitte and even give Nova a shot in the 5 spot, we'd be good enough to win a playoff spot. I think we definitely need to do something by the trade deadline with the eye for the playoffs, unless AJ finds his old form or Hughes progresses towards ace status

[BSN07]

I dont think we'd be forced to do anything right now. If we resign Pettitte and even give Nova a shot in the 5 spot' date=' we'd be good enough to win a playoff spot. I think we definitely need to do something by the trade deadline with the eye for the playoffs, unless AJ finds his old form or Hughes progresses towards ace status[/quote']

 

I agree. They don't have to act now. Whether or not they can show the restraint not to do something is a different story. But if they can get Pettitte, then they are ok and can wait and see what they have with AJ ad Hughes pre TDL. Hughes could step up and/or AJ could bounce back. It's not unheard of. Or I would imagine there may be more options available at the TDL also.

 

The Yankees should have built some incentives in AJ's deal

[bsox0407]

I dont think we'd be forced to do anything right now. If we resign Pettitte and even give Nova a shot in the 5 spot' date=' we'd be good enough to win a playoff spot. I think we definitely need to do something by the trade deadline with the eye for the playoffs, unless AJ finds his old form or Hughes progresses towards ace status[/quote']

 

Pettitte is deciding whether or not to retire. Hughes got effected by them skipping starts. As for AJ the Yankees have been waiting for 2 straight years.

 

Without getting Lee then their rotation is follows.

 

1. CC

2. Pettitte(that is assuming he doesnt retire)

3. Hughes

4. Burnett

5. ??????

[BSN07]

There are still rumblings about a third team, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (on Twitter). The mystery team's offer appears to be significantly lower than the Yankees' proposal, but it's from a place Lee "loves."

 

I'm betting Philly is the mystery team

[BSN07]

Pettitte is deciding whether or not to retire. Hughes got effected by them skipping starts. As for AJ the Yankees have been waiting for 2 straight years.

 

Without getting Lee then their rotation is follows.

 

1. CC

2. Pettitte(that is assuming he doesnt retire)

3. Hughes

4. Burnett

5. ??????

 

AJ was pretty good in his 1st season in NY.

[Dipre]

Pettitte is deciding whether or not to retire. Hughes got effected by them skipping starts. As for AJ the Yankees have been waiting for 2 straight years.

 

Without getting Lee then their rotation is follows.

 

1. CC

2. Pettitte(that is assuming he doesnt retire)

3. Hughes

4. Burnett

5. ??????

 

In regards to AJ, let's be fair here, he had pretty decent numbers (4.04 ERA, 195 K) his WHIP was a bit high (1.4) but that had much to do with some start-of-season wildness.

 

He was effective during crunch time and in the playoffs.

 

As for the fifth spot, that's a spot that's very easy to fill.

[italstallianion]

Ivan Nova might have a shot at it, and there's always the trade market close to the deadline.

[bsox0407]

AJ was pretty good in his 1st season in NY.

 

he had a pretty bad streak where had lost like 5 in a row. And was just pathetic. And he has not been what they paid for.

[BSN07]

he had a pretty bad streak where had lost like 5 in a row. And was just pathetic. And he has not been what they paid for.

 

And since when does a 5 game stretch discredit a season as a whole? :dunno:

[BSN07]

Lee going to Philly would be excellent :thumbsup:

 

I can't think of another team he would take less years to play for? I know they have some rule about SP contracts. But maybe after losing Werth they decided to bend it a bit. I wonder if they offered something like 4/100M or 5/100M and he's really considering it?

[Dipre]

he had a pretty bad streak where had lost like 5 in a row. And was just pathetic. And he has not been what they paid for.

 

"Winning" or "Losing" have nothing to do with the quality of a pitcher's performance.

 

The streak you speak of (4 straight losses) consists of the following:

 

An implosion against CWS (4.2 IP, 7 ER)

 

A ND (7.2 IP, 0 ER) against Boston

 

Another ND against Toronto (6 IP, 3 ER)

 

Loss against Oak (8.0 IP, 3 ER)

 

Another implosion against Boston (5.0 IP, 9 ER)

 

Loss to TB (6.0 IP, 3 ER)

 

Two bad starts surrounded by a bunch of good ones.

 

Come on now, let's not behave like the Yankee fans we so love to criticize.