Players on red sox you dislike

[Will617]

Dice-K had that no hitter going at Philly. Though, I didn't actually see the game, so I don't know how dominant he was, but I think it was better (until he gave up a hit, of course) than Edwin Jackson's 8-walk effort.

I think Dice-K right now is about where his true talent level is. I think he could maybe have a 3.5 ERA season in the future, but I'm not sure whether that will happen.

[RedSox2737]

how about "players you'd like to unload?"....Cameron, Wakefield, DelCarmen.....

[Dojji]

Nah because everyone has the same list, so it'd be a thread full of people sitting around repeating each other.

[Dipre]

Jonathan Papelbon. Yeah, i said it.

 

He's a greedy douchebag of massive proportions.

[yeszir]

Jonathan Papelbon. Yeah, i said it.

 

He's a greedy douchebag of massive proportions.

 

Incorrect

 

http://janeheller.mlblogs.com/papelbon.jpg

[ohiosplendidsplinter]

Kevin Cash.

 

Ever wondered what the average person would look like if they were to hit in the majors for just one AB? Hes made a career of it.

 

Beckett too. A friend of mine was once a groundskeeper for the sox. One day while warming up, a tarp was still on the pitching mound covering it from th rubber back because it had just finished raining. Beckett sees the tarp in the bullpen and turns to my buddy the groundskeeper and says in his ignorant texas accent "Whys this f***ing tarp still covering my f***ing mound". Hes a typical bully type. He throws at guys heads against s***** teams like Cleveland and starts a bench clearing incident and acts all tough, but then against the Yankees and Rangers...two playoff teams....they light his ass up and he hides in the dugout in the fetal position. Hes not an ACE, hes a coward.

 

I agree 100%! He's a bully with no guts. The Red Sox are basically a good bunch of guys (so it seems) but Beckett is a punk.

[Eck20and8]

like most of the players, except JD Drew

 

team's a lot more likeable than 10 years ago when it was full of head cases

[ohiosplendidsplinter]

Drew' date=' Cameron, Martinez , and now also Lackey has been quite disappointing. Dice-K is another big one. I don't dislike Okajima or Wakefield, But I think there time is done.[/quote']

 

I think Cleveland fans would love to trade Masterson to get Martinez back!!

[Spudboy]

I think Cleveland fans would love to trade Masterson to get Martinez back!!

 

The Sox went after Masterson ad the trade deadline.

 

As a mid relief / set-up guy.

[mvp 78]

like most of the players, except JD Drew

 

team's a lot more likeable than 10 years ago when it was full of head cases

 

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teamstats/roster.php?y=2000&t=BOS

 

Not really full of head cases though. This was pre-Manny being Manny. Jose Offerman didn't really have any blow-ups til he left. Carl Everett was the lone exception, but 2000 was his monster year and no one was really complaining about him.

[NativeBostonian]

I don't know, I don't really hate anyone on the Red Sox. I mean, there are some players that make me sick every time they come up to bat or pitch, like Wakefield or J.D Drew. But, I wouldn't say I hate them.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I don't know' date=' I don't really hate anyone on the Red Sox. I mean, there are some players that make me sick every time they come up to bat or pitch, like Wakefield or J.D Drew. But, I wouldn't say I hate them.[/quote']

 

That's why it's called players on Red Sox you dislike:D Hate is a much stronger word. Appropriate for Yankees players.

[TedWilliams101]

Supposedly Beltre was playing with a strained/hurt hamstring yesterday. You gotta love the durable guys who don't want days off and will play through injuries (when possible). It just irks me even more when you see Drew scratch day after day for "sore this" and "sore that". I know it's not a 100% fair assessment, but I'm a fan and he's getting paid $14 million a year to play, so I'll rip a little.

[TheKilo]

Ellsbury and Papelbon

 

And to those who bitch about drew being soft, look up games played for this team this year. Pretty sure drew's played in the 3rd most

[mvp 78]

Ellsbury and Papelbon

 

And to those who bitch about drew being soft, look up games played for this team this year. Pretty sure drew's played in the 3rd most

 

Behind Scutaro and Beltre (the only regulars not to go on the dl)?

[NativeBostonian]

Supposedly Beltre was playing with a strained/hurt hamstring yesterday. You gotta love the durable guys who don't want days off and will play through injuries (when possible). It just irks me even more when you see Drew scratch day after day for "sore this" and "sore that". I know it's not a 100% fair assessment' date=' but I'm a fan and he's getting paid $14 million a year to play, so I'll rip a little.[/quote']

 

I like Beltre, he does put his body on the line for the team and he plays well. Unfortunately, I don't think he is going to be a Red Sox next year. I feel like he is going to want a longer and more expensive contract. The 2012 free agents are just too good, in my opinion, to get locked up long term with Beltre.

[Dojji]

It's really very hard to find a quality third baseman. Beltre will be the best of the lot and a lot of teams are hurting for one -- contenders even. He'll get his money. Youk is probably our primary 3B next year.

[NativeBostonian]

I agree, Dojji. I think Youk is going to be at third-base next year. I see the Red Sox just finding someone who is going to be willing to play first-base for one year, nothing more. There are a lot of good first basemen that are going to be free agents in 2012, including Adrian Gonzalez. So, Boston can’t get locked down for more than one year. Maybe Carlos Pena would want to sign for one year.

[TedWilliams101]

I'm fine moving Youk to 3rd ONLY if we can get a premier bat at 1B. Pena for a year with the prospect of getting AGonz in 2012 is perfectly fine with me. The thing I DON'T want is for the team to think they can just convert Vmart to 1B and get another catcher. I like Vmart behind the plate (offensively), but he's an average (at best) 1B. I'd want a lot more power out that spot than Vmart.

[TedWilliams101]

Ellsbury and Papelbon

 

And to those who bitch about drew being soft, look up games played for this team this year. Pretty sure drew's played in the 3rd most

 

That's pretty misleading. Our starting CF missed pretty much the entire season, our 2B will miss 1/2 the season, our 1B will miss about a 1/3 of the season, Ortiz is old and was getting a lot of time off because of his cold streak to start the season, and even some backups missed time.

 

The real competition JD had was a catcher who hit the DL for a time, an aging slugger who got benched a bit, SS, 3B, and backups.

 

On top of that, he hasn't exactly been that good this season. .344 OBP, .794 OPS...

 

With Youk, Pedroia, (and Vmart for a while) gone, he needed to step up his game... he hasn't. In Fact, he's regressed from June, with August being his worst month this season (.300 OBP, .698 OPS). Don't sugar coat it, with the team needing him desperately, he's completely disappearing.

[Spudboy]

That's pretty misleading. Our starting CF missed pretty much the entire season, our 2B will miss 1/2 the season, our 1B will miss about a 1/3 of the season, Ortiz is old and was getting a lot of time off because of his cold streak to start the season, and even some backups missed time.

 

The real competition JD had was a catcher who hit the DL for a time, an aging slugger who got benched a bit, SS, 3B, and backups.

 

On top of that, he hasn't exactly been that good this season. .344 OBP, .794 OPS...

 

With Youk, Pedroia, (and Vmart for a while) gone, he needed to step up his game... he hasn't. In Fact, he's regressed from June, with August being his worst month this season (.300 OBP, .698 OPS). Don't sugar coat it, with the team needing him desperately, he's completely disappearing.

 

In all fairness to Drew, It's the expanded strike zone that is responsible for his "off" season.

 

:lol:

 

Right.

[jacksonianmarch]

Drew will enter his 5th and final season with the sox. His first and his 4th have been disappointments sans one grand slam in the playoffs. He missed 53 games in his second season but was productive in the 109 he did play in. His third season is the only season he has truly earned his paycheck. .914OPS, 137 games. Aside from that, either he's been underproductive or hurt. He has NOT been worth the cost

[boston22407]

Drew will enter his 5th and final season with the sox. His first and his 4th have been disappointments sans one grand slam in the playoffs. He missed 53 games in his second season but was productive in the 109 he did play in. His third season is the only season he has truly earned his paycheck. .914OPS' date=' 137 games. Aside from that, either he's been underproductive or hurt. He has NOT been worth the cost[/quote']

 

Thank you

[Spudboy]

Drew will enter his 5th and final season with the sox. His first and his 4th have been disappointments sans one grand slam in the playoffs. He missed 53 games in his second season but was productive in the 109 he did play in. His third season is the only season he has truly earned his paycheck. .914OPS' date=' 137 games. Aside from that, either he's been underproductive or hurt. He has NOT been worth the cost[/quote']

 

You obviously know more than Fangraphs and Theo.

[jacksonianmarch]

People like to look at his overall numbers, but your overall numbers arent the best way to evaluate the player. If one aberrant season skews the stats, then it isnt representative of the actual value since each season is separate. If you figure, that for the 4 seasons he has been in Boston, only 1 season have the sox actually gotten production and durability. He has had 2 seasons of below average production and one season of solid production but the sox needed to turn to the backups 53 times that yr. I am sorry, but missing 1/3 of a season isnt a good thing.

[TedWilliams101]

You obviously know more than Fangraphs and Theo.

 

To be fair, were talking hindsight. Theo took a risk when he signed him, knowing that he had a history of durability problems. Next year will be the year that decides whether he was worth the money or not. He's sucking this season, but I won't say he was a complete ripoff until next year.

[Spudboy]

I was being sarcastic.

 

I agree with you. But I'm the Captain of The Jacko Defense Squad so my opinions should be immediately discounted.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

I was being sarcastic.

 

I agree with you. But I'm the Captain of The Jacko Defense Squad so my opinions should be immediately discounted.

 

roflllllllllll

[jacksonianmarch]

To be fair' date=' were talking hindsight. Theo took a risk when he signed him, knowing that he had a history of durability problems. Next year will be the year that decides whether he was worth the money or not. He's sucking this season, but I won't say he was a complete ripoff until next year.[/quote']

 

I wouldnt say ripoff. You got 1 all star caliber season out of him. 1 injury prone, but very productive season from him. Then you received 2 below average seasons for him. Theo was right about LAST season only, saying that he's worth slightly more than $14 mil. Having a .920OPS over 140 games is worth more than 14 mil. But his other seasons were not

[Spudboy]

I wouldnt say ripoff. You got 1 all star caliber season out of him. 1 injury prone' date=' but very productive season from him. Then you received 2 below average seasons for him. Theo was right about LAST season only, saying that he's worth slightly more than $14 mil. Having a .920OPS over 140 games is worth more than 14 mil. But his other seasons were not[/quote']

 

 

So the aggregate indicates that he was just a poor investment.

 

C'est la vie.