Players on red sox you dislike

[Spudboy]

roflllllllllll

 

;)

 

You have so much to learn about what goes on here.

[JimEdHOF2009]

Marco Scutaro.

[italstallianion]

Marco Scutaro.

 

 

I'm not surprised.

[TheKilo]

That's pretty misleading. Our starting CF missed pretty much the entire season, our 2B will miss 1/2 the season, our 1B will miss about a 1/3 of the season, Ortiz is old and was getting a lot of time off because of his cold streak to start the season, and even some backups missed time.

 

The real competition JD had was a catcher who hit the DL for a time, an aging slugger who got benched a bit, SS, 3B, and backups.

 

On top of that, he hasn't exactly been that good this season. .344 OBP, .794 OPS...

 

With Youk, Pedroia, (and Vmart for a while) gone, he needed to step up his game... he hasn't. In Fact, he's regressed from June, with August being his worst month this season (.300 OBP, .698 OPS). Don't sugar coat it, with the team needing him desperately, he's completely disappearing.

 

 

That wasn't your criticism of Drew, nor was it anyone else's in this thread. Everyones criticism is that he doesn't play enough, and I merely pointed out the fact that the person on the team who is labeled most injury prone has played in the third most games.

 

Drew's been a very solid player over the course of his contract. He was very good in the 2nd bald of 2007 through the end of last year. He has had a disappointing season this year but he's far from the reason the Sox are where they are right now.

[Dipre]

That wasn't your criticism of Drew, nor was it anyone else's in this thread. Everyones criticism is that he doesn't play enough, and I merely pointed out the fact that the person on the team who is labeled most injury prone has played in the third most games.

 

Drew's been a very solid player over the course of his contract. He was very good in the 2nd bald of 2007 through the end of last year. He has had a disappointing season this year but he's far from the reason the Sox are where they are right now.

 

Why still bother?

 

People will say what they wanna say, make sarcastic misguided remarks, skew the stats, and stick to their incorrect thoughts. Whoever doesn't understand what JD Drew brings to this team in terms of overall production and declines to acknowledge the fact that he's been pretty durable this season clearly has an agenda.

 

Oh, and this thread is ridiculous.

[redsoxrules]

JD DREW is awesome

 

that is all

[mvp 78]

Why still bother?

 

People will say what they wanna say, make sarcastic misguided remarks, skew the stats, and stick to their incorrect thoughts. Whoever doesn't understand what JD Drew brings to this team in terms of overall production and declines to acknowledge the fact that he's been pretty durable this season clearly has an agenda.

 

Oh, and this thread is ridiculous.

 

Self righteous a little? Jeez... Just because someone has a different viewpoint doesn't mean they are skewing stats or have an agenda.

[TedWilliams101]

Why still bother?

 

People will say what they wanna say, make sarcastic misguided remarks, skew the stats, and stick to their incorrect thoughts. Whoever doesn't understand what JD Drew brings to this team in terms of overall production and declines to acknowledge the fact that he's been pretty durable this season clearly has an agenda.

 

Oh, and this thread is ridiculous.

 

JD has been fairly durable this season... but he's SUCKED! That's my problem, he can't ever be healthy AND productive in a single season.

[a700hitter]

Why still bother?

 

People will say what they wanna say, make sarcastic misguided remarks, skew the stats, and stick to their incorrect thoughts. Whoever doesn't understand what JD Drew brings to this team in terms of overall production and declines to acknowledge the fact that he's been pretty durable this season clearly has an agenda.

 

Oh, and this thread is ridiculous.

:lol:My Bronco Friend, I wish any of us mattered enough in the world of sports to have an agenda.

[Dipre]

@MVP: I was trying to elicit a response, which i received, even though i wasn't pointing out anyone in particular, but it might have seemed that way to you, because you probably agree with the opinion i was trying to confront, which would seem the logically correct answer to your comment.

 

@a700: An agenda indicates an underlying set of motives when addressing a subject or issue in particular, and it doesn't necessarily grant a status of importance to the person who has (or is being accused of having said agenda). It can be as simple as an unfounded personal dislike for a player or an underlying desire to bash the team/FO/fanbase. After all, this is simply a Red Sox website. Not congress.

 

I'm not calling anyone out in particular by the way, it is what it is.

 

And yes, i am now a Bronco, i even have my pin thingy to show it.

 

On a side note, my advisor had me take three really hard-ass classes for this semester. I'll shoot you an e-mail so you can help me dissect some issues regarding the difference between the Dominican and American education systems.

[jacksonianmarch]

Why still bother?

 

People will say what they wanna say, make sarcastic misguided remarks, skew the stats, and stick to their incorrect thoughts. Whoever doesn't understand what JD Drew brings to this team in terms of overall production and declines to acknowledge the fact that he's been pretty durable this season clearly has an agenda.

 

Oh, and this thread is ridiculous.

 

He's been very durable in 3 of his 4 seasons as a red sock. In 2 of his durable seasons, he has been below average for a corner OFer and worth significantly less than his contract would entail. His injured season, he was ridiculous in terms of production, but when you need a replacement for 1/3 of the season, your worth declines. He's truly only earned his paycheck in 1 of his 4 seasons

[TheKilo]

Are we including postseason performance into the "earning his check" argument? Because he's been arguably the most clutch postseason hitter the Sox hav had since the 2007 season.

[TheKilo]

JD has been fairly durable this season... but he's SUCKED! That's my problem' date=' he can't ever be healthy AND productive in a single season.[/quote']

 

Then please, enlighten me on who the Red Sox should have signed to play RF following the 2006 season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Are we including postseason performance into the "earning his check" argument? Because he's been arguably the most clutch postseason hitter the Sox hav had since the 2007 season.

 

As we have learned from Arod's postseason last yr, postseason play is a crapshoot individually and over a career typically mirrors career #s

[jacksonianmarch]

And paying a guy for postseason performance is a good way to get burned

[a700hitter]

Then please' date=' enlighten me on who the Red Sox should have signed to play RF following the 2006 season.[/quote']They should have pulled the trigger on the Abreu trade during the trading deadline in 2006.

[redsoxrules]

FYI , Drew has been the better player since 2007 and not to mention a way better defender

 

And don't give me that crap that abreu has more RBI's .

Drew would get the same amount of RBI's if he was consistently hitting from the 3 or 4 hole

 

So really , aside from playing in more games , Drew is better than Abreu

 

Abreu is atrocious in the field as well

[dlaw1988]

Hate Lackey and Atchinson just because I hate players that don't produce.

[mvp 78]

@MVP: I was trying to elicit a response' date=' which i received, even though i wasn't pointing out anyone in particular, but it might have seemed that way to you, because you probably agree with the opinion i was trying to confront, which would seem the logically correct answer to your comment.[/quote']

 

I'm having trouble deciphering this run-on sentence.

 

What opinion where you trying to confront? Certain people claim JD Drew is soft, I'm not one of them. Or were you trying to "elicit a response" by saying that others have "incorrect thoughts" since they don't agree with you? Don't you think that statement was a little far fetched?

 

Stating that JD is soft is an opinion. There is no clear statistical measure that we can use to determine whether he is or is not. But even if there was one, you'd just state that it was "skewed" to an agenda.

 

However, JD's overall production has been adequate at best. His .796 OPS this year isn't much to brag about. (It's .003 higher than the team's average.)

[redsoxrules]

how obvious of the haters pointing out his worst season and not mention all the good he's done for this team

[TedWilliams101]

I never said Drew was a bad player, he has been one of the better RF in the game the last few seasons (ranked 4th in WAR for the last 3 years). However, I can't stand the fact that he can't put together a full, healthy, productive season.

 

Right now, I'm REALLY pissed at him for not stepping up when this team needed him. The offense completely fell apart after the all-star break and JD Drew has done jack. How is that clutch? I also can't stand the fact that he can't hit lefties.

 

I also don't believe that we shouldn't ever criticize him simply because there were "no other options". Has he been the biggest problem for the team? Of course not, but as someone getting paid $14 million and being counted on to produce, he's let this team down BIG time this year.

[redsoxrules]

I never said Drew was a bad player, he has been one of the better RF in the game the last few seasons (ranked 4th in WAR for the last 3 years). However, I can't stand the fact that he can't put together a full, healthy, productive season.

 

Right now, I'm REALLY pissed at him for not stepping up when this team needed him. The offense completely fell apart after the all-star break and JD Drew has done jack. How is that clutch? I also can't stand the fact that he can't hit lefties.

 

I also don't believe that we shouldn't ever criticize him simply because there were "no other options". Has he been the biggest problem for the team? Of course not, but as someone getting paid $14 million and being counted on to produce, he's let this team down BIG time this year.

 

the f***ing injuries is what is letting this team down this year and josh f***ing beckett

 

and his season is not even that f***ing bad for christ sakes. he's just shy of an 800 OPS

he's just having a down year by his stantards

 

he's usualy also better VS lefties than he's showing this year , again, he's just having an off year

[TedWilliams101]

the f***ing injuries is what is letting this team down this year and josh f***ing beckett

 

Did you miss the part where I said "When this team needed him"? Since the AB he's been getting worse and worse, in August he hit .198, .298 OBP, .683 OPS. That's pathetic.

 

and his season is not even that f***ing bad for christ sakes. he's just shy of an 800 OPS

he's just having a down year by his stantards

It's still a sub par year and my focus is the fact that he's completely disappeared when the team needed him the most.

 

he's usualy also better VS lefties than he's showing this year ' date=' again, he's just having an off year[/quote']

No s***, it's pretty hard to be as bad as his .189, .286, .299, .585 line against LHP this year. HOWEVER, he has always had some trouble hitting lefties. His career line against LHP is .254, .357, .424, .781.

 

Don't even get me started on Beckett. I think he's a fake. 1 good year and postseason and he's one of the best pitchers in baseball, despite the fact that every other year he's either average or terrible.

[Spudboy]

I never said Drew was a bad player, he has been one of the better RF in the game the last few seasons (ranked 4th in WAR for the last 3 years). However, I can't stand the fact that he can't put together a full, healthy, productive season.

 

Right now, I'm REALLY pissed at him for not stepping up when this team needed him. The offense completely fell apart after the all-star break and JD Drew has done jack. How is that clutch? I also can't stand the fact that he can't hit lefties.

 

I also don't believe that we shouldn't ever criticize him simply because there were "no other options". Has he been the biggest problem for the team? Of course not, but as someone getting paid $14 million and being counted on to produce, he's let this team down BIG time this year.

 

THIS.

[redsoxrules]

well you know what

 

I'm pissed off that Pedroia , Youk and Ellsbury got injured .

why did they do that when we needed them the most ?

 

point I'm trying to make is that Drew is not sucking on purpose , he's in a slump.

it just so happen that he's slumping in a bad time .

Players cant automaticaly be like " ok my team needs me I'm going to hit 100 HR and get out of my slump "

dosent happen like that.

[Spudboy]

Did you miss the part where I said "When this team needed him"? Since the AB he's been getting worse and worse, in August he hit .198, .298 OBP, .683 OPS. That's pathetic.

 

 

It's still a sub par year and my focus is the fact that he's completely disappeared when the team needed him the most.

 

 

No s***, it's pretty hard to be as bad as his .189, .286, .299, .585 line against LHP this year. HOWEVER, he has always had some trouble hitting lefties. His career line against LHP is .254, .357, .424, .781.

 

Don't even get me started on Beckett. I think he's a fake. 1 good year and postseason and he's one of the best pitchers in baseball, despite the fact that every other year he's either average or terrible.

 

POTY?

[Dojji]

Hate Lackey and Atchinson just because I hate players that don't produce.

 

Not gonna defend Lackey, but Atchison has actually been about what I expected -- an average arm to round out the bottom of the bullpen. He's not a setup arm, but no one expected him to be one., and his 106 ERA+ suggests he carries his weight.

 

Sometimes fans of a good team set their standards for what makes an adequate player way too high. As a bottom of the bullpen guy, we've had worse than Atchison, and honestly he's a guy who could be in the mix next year depending on how many resources Theo's prepared to spend on middle relief when his setup corps needs retooling.

[TedWilliams101]

well you know what

 

I'm pissed off that Pedroia , Youk and Ellsbury got injured .

why did they do that when we needed them the most ?

 

point I'm trying to make is that Drew is not sucking on purpose , he's in a slump.

it just so happen that he's slumping in a bad time .

Players cant automaticaly be like " ok my team needs me I'm going to hit 100 HR and get out of my slump "

dosent happen like that.

 

So any player who sucks for long stretches of time or even an entire year shouldn't be criticized or even complained about because "they are trying"? Who ever said "Oh, well he might not be playing well, but at least he's trying!". What is this, grade school? He is getting payed to produce and he isn't when it matters most. PERIOD. It's the big leagues, you don't get excused just because you "tried".

[redsoxrules]

So any player who sucks for long stretches of time or even an entire year shouldn't be criticized or even complained about because "they are trying"? Who ever said "Oh' date=' well he might not be playing well, but at least he's trying!". What is this, grade school? He is getting payed to produce and he isn't when it matters most. PERIOD. It's the big leagues, you don't get excused just because you "tried".[/quote']

 

so no other MLB player has slumps ? their just good all the time ? they never have a bad game when the team needs it the most ?

[TedWilliams101]

so no other MLB player has slumps ? their just good all the time ? they never have a bad game when the team needs it the most ?

 

Any player who has an extended slump when the team really needs him will get heckled. We aren't talking a bad game or little slump, we are talking 2 months of mid-season baseball.