New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

This team cannot hit a changeup. We proved it vs O'Sullivan. What I find funny is that we dont ever change our approach. It seems like everyone is completely surprised when he throws it.

[msubulldogs21]

I really hate Girardi.

 

What happened this time?

[Divinity]

Its boggles my mind why Girardi would rest his players against the one team that is on the verge of taking them out of first place.

[jacksonianmarch]

And yes, Girardi is a moron. We have a day off on Thursday and go home vs Toronto for 3. We easily could have put our best foot forward then rested some guys prior to the Boston series

[yeszir]

That's enough of that

[Yaz Sideburn]

It'll be close between Miguel Cabrera and Robinson Cano for the AL MVP this year

 

if the season ended today, cano would probably finish 4th in the voting behind cabrera, morneau and hamilton. and youkilis is probably just as deserving as cano is for consideration

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano is the best player on the best team in the biggest market and he has the numbers to hang with the other guys. Pure numbers, it's Cabrera. But it's never about pure numbers anymore. Plus, Cano has played a hell of a 2b

[Yaz Sideburn]

Cano is the best player on the best team in the biggest market and he has the numbers to hang with the other guys. Pure numbers' date=' it's Cabrera. But it's never about pure numbers anymore. Plus, Cano has played a hell of a 2b[/quote']

 

being on the best team isn't enough to make up for the fact that there are 4 or 5 guys having better statistical seasons and cano doesn't lead in a signle offensive category as far as i can tell

[jacksonianmarch]

You are right. The guy with the best numbers doesnt always win. When those numbers are with a middling club, then another player can take it. Look at Pedroia's win, he wasnt even close to the others, hell, he wasnt the best offensive player on his team.

[Yaz Sideburn]

You are right.

 

:shock:

[yankees228]

Cano has the second highest WAR in the American League. His candidacy is legitimate, even though, as I stated before, I wouldn't vote for him.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Cano has the second highest WAR in the American League. His candidacy is legitimate' date=' even though, as I stated before, I wouldn't vote for him.[/quote']

 

in order to be an mvp, a guy typically has to lead multiple statistical categories. being second in one category which many of the voters probably don't look at won't do him much good

[Palodios]

in order to be an mvp' date=' a guy typically has to lead multiple statistical categories. being second in one category which many of the voters probably don't look at won't do him much good[/quote']

 

Maybe you haven't noticed it, but all the guys ahead of Cano in major statistical categories are 1B or corner outfield. Those guys can afford to put extra weight on that helps them hit harder because they don't have to move around that much defensively. Big bat second basemen are incredibly rare. When Pedroia won mvp in 2008, he wasn't in the top 10 of home runs, rbis, OBP, slg, or any of those categories. He led the league in hits and runs, but his power wasn't nearly as good as Cano's is right now. If you replace a 2B like Cano with replacement level, there will be a much bigger dropoff than if you replace a great 1B with replacement level. We replaced Pedroia with Patterson-- put that into perspective.

 

That being said, Cabrera pretty much has the MVP this season in the bag-- its pretty clear how much the writers like him-unless Cliff Lee ends up stealing it because his stats have been beastly

[Yaz Sideburn]

Maybe you haven't noticed it, but all the guys ahead of Cano in major statistical categories are 1B or corner outfield. Those guys can afford to put extra weight on that helps them hit harder because they don't have to move around that much defensively. Big bat second basemen are incredibly rare. When Pedroia won mvp in 2008, he wasn't in the top 10 of home runs, rbis, OBP, slg, or any of those categories. He led the league in hits and runs, but his power wasn't nearly as good as Cano's is right now. If you replace a 2B like Cano with replacement level, there will be a much bigger dropoff than if you replace a great 1B with replacement level. We replaced Pedroia with Patterson-- put that into perspective.

 

That being said, Cabrera pretty much has the MVP this season in the bag-- its pretty clear how much the writers like him-unless Cliff Lee ends up stealing it because his stats have been beastly

 

i've noticed. is cano worthy of mvp consideration? yes. but would he come close to winning mvp if the season ended today? probably not. that's what i was discussing

 

when pedroia won his mvp, it was a weaker field and not only did he play gold glove caliber defense, but he also swiped 20 bags and was the only player not named ty cobb or pete rose to the lead his league in hits, runs and doubles

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano is 2nd in hits, 8th in doubles, 7th in HRs, 9th in RBI, 6th in BA, 6th in OPS all while playing Gold Glove defense at a prime infield position on the best team in baseball. Like I said before, I think Cabrera has it, but Cano would finish second if the season ended today

[Yaz Sideburn]

Cano is 2nd in hits' date=' 8th in doubles, 7th in HRs, 9th in RBI, 6th in BA, 6th in OPS all while playing Gold Glove defense at a prime infield position on the best team in baseball. Like I said before, I think Cabrera has it, but Cano would finish second if the season ended today[/quote']

 

if the season ended today, i think he would finish third behind hamilton and cabrera. hamilton plays on a first place team and he's put up much better offensive numbers while also playing good defense at a prime position. not to mention, he leads the majors in war

[Palodios]

I thought we went over this. LF is a far easier position to play than 2B. And his defense is solid, but nothing spectacular. If you want to compliment him on his offense, fine, but he's defense does not help his case.

[ORS]

Burnett got smoked tonight.

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I thought we went over this. LF is a far easier position to play than 2B. And his defense is solid' date=' but nothing spectacular. If you want to compliment him on his offense, fine, but he's defense does not help his case.[/quote']

Idk, I have to disagree with you. I think Cano plays a pretty well above-average second base, and he has a great arm for the position.

[Palodios]

Idk' date=' I have to disagree with you. I think Cano plays a pretty well above-average second base, and he has a great arm for the position.[/quote']

 

I was referring to Hamilton.

[Yaz Sideburn]

I thought we went over this. LF is a far easier position to play than 2B. And his defense is solid' date=' but nothing spectacular. If you want to compliment him on his offense, fine, but he's defense does not help his case.[/quote']

 

when you play above average defense at a position, it should certainly help your case. his versality and ability to play all 3 outfield positions also makes him valuable

[Palodios]

when you play above average defense at a position' date=' it should certainly help your case. his versality and ability to play all 3 outfield positions also makes him valuable[/quote']

 

He doesn't play above average defense. His defense is pretty close to average, look at the stats.

[jacksonianmarch]

Burnett got smoked tonight.

 

4 solid innings, 1 nightmare inning. Usually it is Jekyll or Hyde. Tonight it was both.

[Yaz Sideburn]

He doesn't play above average defense. His defense is pretty close to average' date=' look at the stats.[/quote']

 

 

i didn't just make it up that he's played good defense. he has a positive defensive value that's contributing to his major league leading war

[Yaz Sideburn]

4 solid innings' date=' 1 nightmare inning. Usually it is Jekyll or Hyde. Tonight it was both.[/quote']

 

do you think he's trying to pitch through pain or do you think he just sucks this year? he's on pace for the worst year of his career

[Yaz Sideburn]

another stinker from the yankees starter and then kerry wood gave up a home run to the first batter he faced. that's 3 losses in a row for the yankees

[msubulldogs21]

Marcum vs Hughes tomorrow afternoon. I like that matchup from a Sox perspective.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Marcum vs Hughes tomorrow afternoon. I like that matchup from a Sox perspective.

 

yeah really. hughes has a 6.61 era since the all-star break and marcum has a 2.04 era in that same time

[yankees228]

They're really scuffling right now. They also haven't been swept in a three game series all year, so hopefully tomorrow doesn't mark the first time.

 

EDIT: They also haven't lost four in a row all season.

[jacksonianmarch]

do you think he's trying to pitch through pain or do you think he just sucks this year? he's on pace for the worst year of his career

 

Burnett seems to get in trouble when he has too much stuff. Meaning, he operates a little better with slightly less velocity and movement. On days when his stuff looks just wicked, he typically cannot find the zone and then he needs to groove the ball. I dont think it is injury, it is just the nature of the beast with this guy

 

In terms of the Yankees overall performance, right now nothing is working. They are too good to continue this way, so I expect them to bounce back in short order. All teams hit a rut eventually, this is ours