New York Yankees 2010 offseason thread

[Gom]

I don't understand it. Johnson is going to get Matsui money...and I'd rather have Matsui, except that he went to LA.

 

Look, if they want to dump Matsui and Damon and use that money for Sheets, I would understand. However, I wouldn't trade Matsui for Johnson and 1-2 million...which is what this deal really would be.

[Spudboy]

Hey Gom.

 

Clearly you know far more about the Yankees than I do. And you probably have seen far more of Johnson than I have.

 

That said, maybe the Yankees see Johnson as a better long term investment than Matsui?

He was only able to get one year out of the Angles. How many years will the Yankees be willing to commit to Johnson?

 

Salary reduction claims aside, can't they just sign Sheets anyway?

[Gom]

Hey Gom.

 

Clearly you know far more about the Yankees than I do. And you probably have seen far more of Johnson than I have.

 

That said, maybe the Yankees see Johnson as a better long term investment than Matsui?

He was only able to get one year out of the Angles. How many years will the Yankees be willing to commit to Johnson?

 

Salary reduction claims aside, can't they just sign Sheets anyway?

 

I like Nick....but I'd rather have Matsui. First of all, when you look up Disables List in the dictionary, you see a picture of Nick Johnson. So if anything, he's less durable than Hideki. Secondly, he can only play 1B, which for all intents and purposes, makes him a full-time DH. So why not Hideki instead, who has always been a solid performer, especially in the post-season? You can't go a long-term investment in Johnson, nor should you.

 

I would love to see them bring back Damon and sign Sheets and Wang. Do that, and they are the best team in baseball again.

[diony]

I like Nick....but I'd rather have Matsui. First of all, when you look up Disables List in the dictionary, you see a picture of Nick Johnson. So if anything, he's less durable than Hideki. Secondly, he can only play 1B, which for all intents and purposes, makes him a full-time DH. So why not Hideki instead, who has always been a solid performer, especially in the post-season? You can't go a long-term investment in Johnson, nor should you.

 

I would love to see them bring back Damon and sign Sheets and Wang. Do that, and they are the best team in baseball again.

 

Matsui's knees being healthy all year was a fluke. Cash knows this.

[Emmz]

I like Nick....but I'd rather have Matsui. First of all' date=' when you look up Disables List in the dictionary, you see a picture of Nick Johnson. So if anything, he's less durable than Hideki.[/quote']

 

While that claim is certainly legitimate, that Nick Johnson is a guy who hasn't ever had a full season of Major League service, since 2006, Matsui has been injured very frequently himself. Games played in per-season since 2006 for Matsui: 107.25. Johnson: 79.5. Pretty much says that both players have a lack of durability, but most of that can be attributed to one big injury for Nick Johnson, whereas Matsui had missed time over two different splits.

 

Secondly, he can only play 1B, which for all intents and purposes, makes him a full-time DH. So why not Hideki instead, who has always been a solid performer, especially in the post-season? You can't go a long-term investment in Johnson, nor should you.

 

Johnson's not a long-term investment, but neither is Hideki Matsui. The man's going to be 36 years old, while Nick Johnson is only 30. It doesn't just go one way.

 

They have about the same OPS, and Johnson even has a +1 OPS+ on Matsui. Yeah, nothing too big, but it's still something of an equalizer for the .003 advantage Matsui holds in OPS.

 

I think you're selling Nick Johnson way too short. Just because he's not a big name, doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for the Yankees.

 

I would love to see them bring back Damon and sign Sheets and Wang. Do that, and they are the best team in baseball again.

 

Wang's ERA was nearly 10. I don't see how bringing him back is an impact move.

[Spudboy]

Matsui's knees being healthy all year was a fluke. Cash knows this.

 

So what of Damon's wheels?

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't understand it. Johnson is going to get Matsui money...and I'd rather have Matsui, except that he went to LA.

 

Look, if they want to dump Matsui and Damon and use that money for Sheets, I would understand. However, I wouldn't trade Matsui for Johnson and 1-2 million...which is what this deal really would be.

 

Gom, I think NY saw Granderson as being a replacement for Matsui offensively. Left handed power hitter, and he came cheaper due to his recent poor season. Johnson is a #2 hitter due to his contact and OBP skills.

[riverside sluggers]

Where is this coming from? Did you and riverside just pull it out of your asses? There's been no indication that the Tigers are seriously looking to trade him and no indication from any New England outlets that the Sox are in pursuit of him. Hearing this discussion makes me think of MVP baseball or something. You wouldn't be content with AGon?

 

I'm not questioning the Sox's ability to put together a viable package for Cabrera, but I am questioning the likelihood that something like this would happen. It's almost ridiculous. What do you say they do next, trade for Lincecum?

 

Who says I wouldnt be content with AGon?

 

And no I didnt make this up. I watch sports tonight on comcast sportsnet, several times Sean MacAdams has brought up Miguel Cabrera concerning Detroit's recent fire sale

[yankees228]

Gom' date=' I think NY saw Granderson as being a replacement for Matsui offensively. Left handed power hitter, and he came cheaper due to his recent poor season. Johnson is a #2 hitter due to his contact and OBP skills.[/quote']

 

You can talk about lineup positioning all you want, and I know it factors in, but what would you rather have: Granderson and Johnson or Granderson and Matsui?

[jacksonianmarch]

Granderson and Johnson for this lineup. Without Damon, we needed a guy who could slot into the 2 hole. Granderson can do that, but he needs to rectify his OBP issues first. Johnson is built for hitting second in this lineup. To be totally honest, outside of Bay or Holliday, I think Johnson was the best available pure offensive option. His OBP is a true weapon.

[jacksonianmarch]

per rotoworld, the Yankees are a finalist for Matt Capps. I would love to see Capps come to NY. He throws cheddar and has great command. He just had an awful season last yr after having a run of solid ones. Stupid move by Pitt to let him walk, about 16 teams want him.

[Meh]

Capps reminds me of Bruney, no thanks. Unless its for like 500K - 750K

[Dipre]

Capps reminds me of Bruney' date=' no thanks. Unless its for like 500K - 750K[/quote']

 

The only time he's put up a WHIP above 1.25 and a BB/9 over 1.8 was last year when he had injury issues. Capps is vastly superior control-wise to Bruney, who has a 6.2(!) career BB/9 compared to Capps' 1.7. It's not even close.

[26 to 6]

While that claim is certainly legitimate, that Nick Johnson is a guy who hasn't ever had a full season of Major League service, since 2006, Matsui has been injured very frequently himself. Games played in per-season since 2006 for Matsui: 107.25. Johnson: 79.5. Pretty much says that both players have a lack of durability, but most of that can be attributed to one big injury for Nick Johnson, whereas Matsui had missed time over two different splits.

 

 

 

Johnson's not a long-term investment, but neither is Hideki Matsui. The man's going to be 36 years old, while Nick Johnson is only 30. It doesn't just go one way.

 

They have about the same OPS, and Johnson even has a +1 OPS+ on Matsui. Yeah, nothing too big, but it's still something of an equalizer for the .003 advantage Matsui holds in OPS.

 

I think you're selling Nick Johnson way too short. Just because he's not a big name, doesn't mean he's not good enough to play for the Yankees.

 

 

 

Wang's ERA was nearly 10. I don't see how bringing him back is an impact move.

I've never seen or heard a girl say such things. I love it....it's kinda dirty in a way

If all you Minnesota girls are like that I know where I'm going wife-shopping

 

Capps reminds me of Bruney, no thanks. Unless its for like 500K - 750K

I agree, I get that same "feeling." But depending on the cost he's definitely worth a shot. Even Bruney had his bright spots.

[Dipre]

I agree' date=' I get that same "feeling." But depending on the cost he's definitely worth a shot. Even Bruney had his bright spots.[/quote']

 

The only time he's put up a WHIP above 1.25 and a BB/9 over 1.8 was last year when he had injury issues. Capps is vastly superior control-wise to Bruney' date=' who has a 6.2(!) career BB/9 compared to Capps' 1.7. It's not even close[/i'].

 

Stats......

[Emmz]

I've never seen or heard a girl say such things. I love it....it's kinda dirty in a way

If all you Minnesota girls are like that I know where I'm going wife-shopping

 

 

I agree, I get that same "feeling." But depending on the cost he's definitely worth a shot. Even Bruney had his bright spots.

 

It's easy when the victim is Gom, just sayin.

[26 to 6]

Stats......

Again, I wasn't referring to control or anything, just my feeling regarding makeup and whatnot. Why does everything have to be an argument with you? And why do I have to be a stat machine and take numbers into account before every post? I find the game is much more enjoyable on the field than on paper. Not saying I ignore stats, I just don't hang as heavily on them as you or some others do. To rebut my "feeling" about Capps by saying "stats" and pointing me towards a post you made previously is sort of a dick move if you ask me.

[26 to 6]

It's easy when the victim is Gom' date=' just sayin.[/quote']

Just the intelligent baseball talk is turn-on lol. I don't think I've ever heard a girl speak the way you do about any sport lol.

[Dipre]

Again' date=' I wasn't referring to control or anything, just my feeling regarding makeup and whatnot. Why does everything have to be an argument with you? And why do I have to be a stat machine and take numbers into account before every post? I find the game is much more enjoyable on the field than on paper. Not saying I ignore stats, I just don't hang as heavily on them as you or some others do. To rebut my "feeling" about Capps by saying "stats" and pointing me towards a post you made previously is sort of a dick move if you ask me.[/quote']

 

Not what i meant. You can keep rolling out the bait attempts. I'm not taking 'em.

 

As for the "stats..." line, i was referring to the fact that the stats i posted show that he''s not a similar player to Bruney. I'll admit it was poorly worded on my behalf, but not enough for you to go on an all-out rant about it.

[26 to 6]

Not what i meant. You can keep rolling out the bait attempts. I'm not taking 'em.

 

As for the "stats..." line, i was referring to the fact that the stats i posted show that he''s not a similar player to Bruney. I'll admit it was poorly worded on my behalf, but not enough for you to go on an all-out rant about it.

I'm tired and cranky. Goodnight.

[jacksonianmarch]

 

Per Olney, the Yankees are moving on from Damon, but arent close to being finished. They are still looking at Mark DeRosa, if the price is right and are still looking to add one starting pitcher.

 

 

Feinsand says that the Yankees passed on Matsui over concern for his knees. They know him best, and if that decision was a medical one, then it was the right move

[Dipre]

 

Per Olney, the Yankees are moving on from Damon, but arent close to being finished. They are still looking at Mark DeRosa, if the price is right and are still looking to add one starting pitcher.

 

 

Feinsand says that the Yankees passed on Matsui over concern for his knees. They know him best, and if that decision was a medical one, then it was the right move

 

This is what i thought in the first place. This is why you need to look at things without the passion of the player you like. The FO always knows better, because they have access to an enormous amount of information that we, as fans, don't.

[riverside sluggers]

One of Theo's best moves was not giving in to Pedro's demands after the 04 World Series

[Gom]

You can talk about lineup positioning all you want' date=' and I know it factors in, but what would you rather have: Granderson and Johnson or Granderson and Matsui?[/quote']

 

Granderson and Matsui. Absolutely no doubt about it.

[yankees228]

Granderson and Matsui. Absolutely no doubt about it.

 

I wasn't thinking about this when I posted, but if it's true that they let Matsui go over concerns about his knee, I think we have to respect that decision.

 

And please, please, please, don't give me the "we shouldn't believe anything that comes from the front office", because it's logical, and they had to have a reason for this decision.

[Emmz]

Yeah, knowing the Yankees, unless there was a health issue, they would have kept the obviously superior player. Matsui is obviously superior to Nick Johnson. However, Johnson DOES fit well in the 2 spot with his high OBP, so we'll see.

[yankees228]

Yeah' date=' knowing the Yankees, unless there was a health issue, they would have kept the obviously superior player. Matsui is obviously superior to Nick Johnson. However, Johnson DOES fit well in the 2 spot with his high OBP, so we'll see.[/quote']

 

Knowing any team they would keep the superior play, if the money demands were comparable, like they were in this case.

[ORS]

I wasn't thinking about this when I posted, but if it's true that they let Matsui go over concerns about his knee, I think we have to respect that decision.

 

And please, please, please, don't give me the "we shouldn't believe anything that comes from the front office", because it's logical, and they had to have a reason for this decision.

Get ready for it, here it comes....

 

Bah-ah-ah-ah.

 

You've been warned.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom is lurking, I can feel his evil presence

[26 to 6]

I think the Yankees need to look at the bench as well. What's up with Hinske, there hasn't been any reported interest from anybody and he did nicely for us this year, he's got pop and versatility, and after making just $1.5m this past year there's a good chance he can be had at less than that due to the apparent lack on interest in him, or at the very most match last years salary and give him $1.5m again.