New York Yankees 2010 offseason thread

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldnt commit to Hinske, we have some better and more versatile options available in house.

 

If you're looking for a left handed power hitter, you have Miranda rotting away. We could improve on our RHH options, but Hoffman will at least get a shot in ST. We have a solid backup catcher in Cervelli. We have a few utility types, one with the better bat (Kevin Russo) and the other with the slick glove (Ramiro Pena). Gardner projects to be the 4th OFer on the team for defense and speed purposes. I dont see a need to fill that spot. We have other needs. I would sign a guy like Duchsherer who could both start and relieve or Capps, who could slide into the setup role vacated by Hughes

[diony]

I wouldnt commit to Hinske, we have some better and more versatile options available in house.

 

If you're looking for a left handed power hitter, you have Miranda rotting away. We could improve on our RHH options, but Hoffman will at least get a shot in ST. We have a solid backup catcher in Cervelli. We have a few utility types, one with the better bat (Kevin Russo) and the other with the slick glove (Ramiro Pena). Gardner projects to be the 4th OFer on the team for defense and speed purposes. I dont see a need to fill that spot. We have other needs. I would sign a guy like Duchsherer who could both start and relieve or Capps, who could slide into the setup role vacated by Hughes

 

Miranda can't play the OF corners. If Johnson gets hurt, you get an Gardner/Melky/Grandy OF with Swish as the DH. Pena and Russo are good bench players, I'm more intrigued by Russo's ability to play LF, it could be intereresting. Gardner better be a league average hitter next year, because I predict Melky plays his way out to the bench by the end of May-June. As for the relievers, if we sign Sheets, Hughes goes back to the pen, and you have Hughes and K-Rob + Marte, any of them could handle the setup job.

[jacksonianmarch]

If I had to choose, I dont think I send Hughes to the pen. We kept Hughes in the pen simply because Joba was pitching well and Hughes really didnt need another yr of minor league seasoning. But between the two, Joba is better suited for pen work

[jacksonianmarch]

In terms of bench options, if Johnson goes down, which is very possible, Miranda steps up into the DH role and we keep the OF as is, Melky/Grandy/Swish. I love Gardner as the #4 OFer and hell, he could outplay Melky and take over the LF spot. I am still intrigued by his ability to reach base. I'll tell you what, I'll take Gardner if he can maintain a .360+OBP over Melky any day, since he can make things happen from the bottom of the order on the bases and he runs circles around Melky in the OF. Plus, Hoffman is apparently a very good OFer, and we could use more right handed thunder on the bench since Granderson and Johnson are lefties.

[Dipre]

In terms of bench options' date=' if Johnson goes down, which is very possible, Miranda steps up into the DH role and we keep the OF as is, Melky/Grandy/Swish. I love Gardner as the #4 OFer and hell, he could outplay Melky and take over the LF spot. I am still intrigued by his ability to reach base. I'll tell you what, I'll take Gardner if he can maintain a .360+OBP over Melky any day, since he can make things happen from the bottom of the order on the bases and he runs circles around Melky in the OF. Plus, Hoffman is apparently a very good OFer, and we could use more right handed thunder on the bench since Granderson and Johnson are lefties.[/quote']

 

You're really hyping this Hoffman kid, however, he has exactly 22 AB's against Major League pitching. He's a Yankee and all, but maybe it would be wise to temper your expectations. "Right-handed thunder" is a term you use for someone who has proven he can hit Major Legue pitching with power.

[jacksonianmarch]

I meant more like RH anything. Our lineup is full of switch hitters and really 2 RHH who will be in the lineup every day in ARod and Jeter. Hoffman has hit lefties well through the minors and he could be a complete and total bust in the bigs vs them. Who knows. But someone will have to fill that role of RHH off the bench, and he's the first guy to get the shot. If we somehow get DeRosa on the cheap, then he isnt needed

[Dipre]

I meant more like RH anything. Our lineup is full of switch hitters and really 2 RHH who will be in the lineup every day in ARod and Jeter. Hoffman has hit lefties well through the minors and he could be a complete and total bust in the bigs vs them. Who knows. But someone will have to fill that role of RHH off the bench' date=' and he's the first guy to get the shot. If we somehow get DeRosa on the cheap, then he isnt needed[/quote']

 

Fair enough.

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If I had to choose' date=' I dont think I send Hughes to the pen. We kept Hughes in the pen simply because Joba was pitching well and Hughes really didnt need another yr of minor league seasoning. But between the two, Joba is better suited for pen work[/quote']

Yeah but they've finally reached the point where their not going to limit Joba after dealing with the ridiculous "Joba rules" the past few years. Now that he's stretched out and can throw 200 innings, it wouldn't make much sense to send him back to the pen right away and decrease his workload. It would kinda make the past 2 years of redundant pitch/innings limits meaningless. I agree that Joba is better suited for the pen, absolutely, but they wanted to go at this starting this full force, so they should finish what they started and see how it works. If he struggles, I'm the first to say he should go to the pen. But it would smart to at least see what he's got now that the gloves are off.

 

I wouldnt commit to Hinske, we have some better and more versatile options available in house.

Who? I respect your opinion, but there's nobody that I can think of that we have who has the versatility that Hinske has.

 

If you're looking for a left handed power hitter, you have Miranda rotting away. We could improve on our RHH options, but Hoffman will at least get a shot in ST. We have a solid backup catcher in Cervelli. We have a few utility types, one with the better bat (Kevin Russo) and the other with the slick glove (Ramiro Pena). Gardner projects to be the 4th OFer on the team for defense and speed purposes. I dont see a need to fill that spot. We have other needs. I would sign a guy like Duchsherer who could both start and relieve or Capps, who could slide into the setup role vacated by Hughes

I agree that we have other needs, and I wouldn't mind the signing of either Duscherer or Capps, but idk how comfortable I am with the bench we have. I think either Hairston or Hinske should be brought back. Both did well last year here, and I'm honestly not sure how comfortable I am trusting Gardner, Russo/Pena, and Hoffman/Miranda filling out the bench behind Cervelli. That's all I'm saying. It's not a huge concern, but the depth should be addressed.

[jacksonianmarch]

You have to give them a shot at some point. If they completely fail, acquiring one midseason is easy as pie. We trade our #7 or #8 catching prospect for Hairston and we dealt a guy were going to release for Hinske

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You have to give them a shot at some point. If they completely fail' date=' acquiring one midseason is easy as pie. We trade our #7 or #8 catching prospect for Hairston and we dealt a guy were going to release for Hinske[/quote']

I know, but Hinske didn't do badly last year. If he could be had for a million or less, I think they should do it. At least give him a Spring Training invite.

[riverside sluggers]

 

Yankees are trying to bring Javier Vazquez back to New York

[BoSox21]

Heyman says it's close. Vazquez going to NY for Melky and other stuff

[riverside sluggers]

Heyman says it's close. Vazquez going to NY for Melky and other stuff

 

 

Melky, Michael Dunn and another prospect For Vazquez and Boone Logan. Moving Melky might get Damon back in the mix, but he'd have to lower his demands... unless they open their wallet for Matt Holliday or Jason Bay

[yankees228]

Yeah, I'm not sure who plays left. They might just be willing to go with an outfield of Swisher, Gardner, and Granderson (probably Granderson in center), but who knows.

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Mike Dunn, Melky Cabrera, and 18 year old Arodys Vizcaino for Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan. I like bringing back Vazquez, but I HATE the package we sent in return. Obviously I'm very disappointed to be losing Melky, who I've made no secret about him being my favorite player. Mike Dunn was supposed to be in our pen this year, and V18 year old righty Arodys Vizcaino. Man...I don't like. I hope Vazquez does well, because I'll be PISSED if he doesn't. So right now, as we've solidified our rotation, we need to get a left fielder and a lefty for the pen.

 

Matt Capps?

 

As for left field, I hope they bring Damon back. I'll be DISGUSTED if they dig in their pockets for Holliday. If the Yankees sign Holliday I won't go to a single game this year (after opening day, of course).

 

I feel like this trade created more problems than it fixed, but if Vazquez pitches well the reward could be great. But we need some of our hitters to step up now, not that losing Melky is a huge blow to the lineup, but he, along with Damon and Matsui last year were 3 of our most clutch hitters. Somebody's got to replicate the clutch this year.

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Yeah' date=' I'm not sure who plays left. They might just be willing to go with an outfield of Swisher, Gardner, and Granderson (probably Granderson in center), but who knows.[/quote']

God I hope not.

 

Why couldn't they trade Gardner instead of Melky!?

[yankees228]

Mike Dunn, Melky Cabrera, and 18 year old Arodys Vizcaino for Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan. I like bringing back Vazquez, but I HATE the package we sent in return. Obviously I'm very disappointed to be losing Melky, who I've made no secret about him being my favorite player. Mike Dunn was supposed to be in our pen this year, and V18 year old righty Arodys Vizcaino. Man...I don't like. I hope Vazquez does well, because I'll be PISSED if he doesn't. So right now, as we've solidified our rotation, we need to get a left fielder and a lefty for the pen.

 

Matt Capps?

 

As for left field, I hope they bring Damon back. I'll be DISGUSTED if they dig in their pockets for Holliday. If the Yankees sign Holliday I won't go to a single game this year (after opening day, of course).

 

I feel like this trade created more problems than it fixed, but if Vazquez pitches well the reward could be great. But we need some of our hitters to step up now, not that losing Melky is a huge blow to the lineup, but he, along with Damon and Matsui last year were 3 of our most clutch hitters. Somebody's got to replicate the clutch this year.

 

I don't think they will get Holliday, but why would you be disgusted?

[Dipre]

I don't think they will get Holliday' date=' but why would you be disgusted?[/quote']

 

He cant hit the inside fastball or AL pitching, remember?

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He cant hit the inside fastball or AL pitching' date=' remember?[/quote']

Not even just that. I don't look at him as a SUPERSTAR worth giving big dollars over 6-8 years to. Watching that bum in left field for the next EVEN 5 years would just make me angry. This isn't the park for him to succeed. I don't want him.

 

Why the f*** did we have to get Boone Logan in this deal? What was Cashman thinking? WTF is a Boone Logan? Aside from his career 5.78 ERA, that's one ugly mug.

http://images.quickblogcast.com/2/6/2/7/4/156627-147262/booneLogan.bmp

[yankees228]

Well, we completely disagree on Holliday, but that subject has been touched too often around here, so I won't be bother.

 

However, lets say they do sign Holliday. Considering what Cashman has done this offseason, don't you think it would be smart to at least give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being?

 

On top of that, even if they make a terrible move, it's hardly a reason to be "disgusted" with a team.

[Dipre]

Not even just that. I don't look at him as a SUPERSTAR worth giving big dollars over 6-8 years to. Watching that bum in left field for the next EVEN 5 years would just make me angry. This isn't the park for him to succeed. I don't want him.

 

I was being sarcastic. I proved to Gom he has both hit AL pitching and inside fastballs. He'd be a fantastic addition to the Yankees, if anything, i'm s***ing my pants at the prospect of them signing him. Holliday would significantly boost the Yankee chances for the repeat, and is a more likely bet than Bay to maintain offensive and defensive productivity through the duration of his contract.

 

I'm not on his "balls" as you would say, i simply look at his production objectively and see how he would greatly improve any team he joined.

[26 to 6]

Well, we completely disagree on Holliday, but that subject has been touched too often around here, so I won't be bother.

 

However, lets say they do sign Holliday. Considering what Cashman has done this offseason, don't you think it would be smart to at least give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being?

 

On top of that, even if they make a terrible move, it's hardly a reason to be "disgusted" with a team.

Of course I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he were on my team, I just don't want that to happen. It's glutinous. We can't just keep doing this every year. We need to start building teams, not buying them with the likes of Matt Holliday (yeah I said it!). But with that being said we do have a need that he would address, but I would be so much happier if it were just a 3 or 4 year deal rather than 5 or 6. I would just prefer to bring Damon back at this point.

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Now that we have Vazquez, Joel Sherman is reporting that the Yanks will look to trade either Mitre or Gaudin. That's a good idea, see what we could get for one of them. I don't want both of those bums running around either.

[Divinity]

I think Damon should be the last piece to complete this Yankees team. Imagine this line up

 

1.) Jeter

2.) Damon

3.) Tex

4.) A Rod

5.) Posada

6.) Cano

7.) Johnson

8.) Swisher

9.) Granderson

 

1.) Sabathia

2.) Burnett

3.) Pettitte

4.) Vazquez

5.) Hughes (Joba in the Pen)

[yankees228]

Of course I would give him the benefit of the doubt if he were on my team' date=' I just don't want that to happen. It's glutinous. We can't just keep doing this every year. We need to start building teams, not buying them with the likes of Matt Holliday (yeah I said it!). But with that being said we do have a need that he would address, but I would be so much happier if it were just a 3 or 4 year deal rather than 5 or 6. I would just prefer to bring Damon back at this point.[/quote']

 

Again, I don't think they do it, but signing Holliday would be a great move. They have the resources available to them, and until baseball changes the rules, the Yankees should take advantage of the situation they're in.

[TheMino007]

I believe the Yankees tipped their hand here, and it is that they are in pursuit of a LF. With that type of lineup, Garnder or whomever would be fine, but its the Yankees, and tis the season for unfair spending, so I see the Yankees in pursuit of Bay or Holliday. Bay's agent priced themselves out of Boston, so why not to talk to the Yankees? Its not like the market has been hot for Bay anyway. The Mets currently have the best offer at like 4 years 70 million. The Yankees have said they wouldn't go long term with Bay, but if they offer him 3 years for a lot of money, I don't see how he turns that down. The Cards offered 8 years at 16 million per, I don't know if the Yankees would top that, that is for a lot of years. Bay signing with the Yanks makes too much sense.

[yankees228]

I believe the Yankees tipped their hand here' date=' and it is that they are in pursuit of a LF. With that type of lineup, Garnder or whomever would be fine, but its the Yankees, and tis the season for unfair spending, so I see the Yankees in pursuit of Bay or Holliday. Bay's agent priced themselves out of Boston, so why not to talk to the Yankees? Its not like the market has been hot for Bay anyway. The Mets currently have the best offer at like 4 years 70 million. The Yankees have said they wouldn't go long term with Bay, but if they offer him 3 years for a lot of money, I don't see how he turns that down. The Cards offered 8 years at 16 million per, I don't know if the Yankees would top that, that is for a lot of years. Bay signing with the Yanks makes too much sense.[/quote']

 

I like how you're believing what the Yankees are saying in one instance, but completely ignoring everything else they've said.

 

As for tipping their hand, this move was made, in my opinion, to solidify their rotation, not to set them up for anything.

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Again' date=' I don't think they do it, but signing Holliday would be a great move. They have the resources available to them, and until baseball changes the rules, the Yankees should take advantage of the situation they're in.[/quote']

Why would you want to sign Holliday for 5+ years when we can just wait a year and get Carl Crawford. Speed, power, and defense, not to mention the perfect number 2 hitter got this lineup.

 

I believe the Yankees tipped their hand here, and it is that they are in pursuit of a LF. With that type of lineup, Garnder or whomever would be fine, but its the Yankees, and tis the season for unfair spending, so I see the Yankees in pursuit of Bay or Holliday.

Why is it that Gardner would be fine in this lineup, but Melky wouldn't have been? It's f***ing ********...I'm still heated. Even if he wasn't gonna start Melky is a better 4th OF option than Gardner.

 

I think Damon should be the last piece to complete this Yankees team. Imagine this line up

 

1.) Jeter

2.) Damon

3.) Tex

4.) A Rod

5.) Posada

6.) Cano

7.) Johnson

8.) Swisher

9.) Granderson

 

1.) Sabathia

2.) Burnett

3.) Pettitte

4.) Vazquez

5.) Hughes (Joba in the Pen)

NASTY!!! The only thing I would do is flip-flop Johnson and Cane so that Johnson has more fo a chance to get driven in by Cano, Swisher, and Granderson. But either way that lineup is scary.

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Also, the Yankees signed 24 year old outfielder Javier Herrera to a minor league deal. He was once considered the best defender in the A's system, and can run like a cheetah. Good depth move.

 

http://blogs.thetimes-tribune.com/yankees/?p=3456

 

They also reportedly sign catcher Mike Rivera to backup Montero in Scranton. Formerly a Tigers prospect, he has spent time as a backup in Milwaukee recently.

[yankees228]

So it's gluttonous to sign Holliday, but not Crawford? Crawford probably won't command quite as much money, but it's going to be relatively close.

 

As for a comparison between the two, Holliday is a better player. I could rattle off a number of stats, but you know what the numbers say just as well as I do.

 

26, I know that Melky is one of your favorite players, and I respect that. I liked watching him too, especially his intensity in the playoffs this year. He played a good series against the Angels, and his two RBI single against Kazmir in game four was one of the real turning points of the series. With that being said, I think you're letting the fact that he is one of your favorite players get in the way of your objectivity. He is, at this point, an average player, and they received a quality starter in return.

 

Also, I know you have an issue with Dunn/Logan, but come on, that cannot possibly be a deal breaker for you...

 

As for the minor leaguer, I understand he has a high upside, but we have no idea what he'll become simply because he is so far away from the majors.

 

It really is a good trade.