New York Yankees 2010 offseason thread

[Plumpamania]

QUIET. TEH YANKEES MADE A MOVE AND GOT A STEAL. DO NOT QUESTION JACKO'S AUTHOITAY!

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Gaudin is in his 3rd arbitration yr and by all accounts, had a good season last yr as a starting pitcher. In arbitration, he probably could have commanded 5+ million.

 

I expect the Yankees to deal Mitre to be honest with you. Gaudin is the safety net.

$5m? :what: Please tell me you're joking because I can't stop laughing. That would be outrageous!

[Dipre]

Gaudin made $2 million in 2009.

 

What part of his 147.1 IP, 4.64 ERA, 1.507 WHIP performance warranted a 150% raise?

 

$5m? :what: Please tell me you're joking because I can't stop laughing. That would be outrageous!

 

You mean because of reasons stated in Dipre's timely multi-quoted post?

[Imperial59]

$5m? :what: Please tell me you're joking

 

It wouldn't be nearly as funny if he was. The fact that he was quite serious about it is the best part.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't think that is what he's worth, but a pitcher who puts up 150 innings in the bigs is worth something in this day and age. Plus, arbitration will compare him to other players with his kind of production. And right now, those guys are still getting paid at rates prior to 2009 when the economy wasnt as bad. 2008 wasnt that bad of a season either, especially in Oakland where he was a top notch reliever. And, if 2007 gets into the equation, he was very durable as a starter for Oakland. He is what he is, but in arbitration, he would have been able to command much more than he got. Think about it, Melky Cabrera commanded more than Gaudin did and Melky was 1 yr shorter in time and had a miserable 2008.

[Imperial59]

I don't think that is what he's worth' date=' but a pitcher who puts up 150 innings in the bigs is worth something in this day and age. Plus, arbitration will compare him to other players with his kind of production. And right now, those guys are still getting paid at rates prior to 2009 when the economy wasnt as bad. 2008 wasnt that bad of a season either, especially in Oakland where he was a top notch reliever. And, if 2007 gets into the equation, he was very durable as a starter for Oakland. He is what he is, but in arbitration, he would have been able to command much more than he got. Think about it, Melky Cabrera commanded more than Gaudin did and Melky was 1 yr shorter in time and had a miserable 2008.[/quote']

 

Can you show any kind of precedent? You keep saying, compared to other players... but what other players?

[jacksonianmarch]

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/how-much-could-chad-gaudin-make-in-2010-22528/

 

This gives a good rundown. Looks like 3.5-4.0 mil is Gaudin's worth when you look at the other players on the list (Benoit doesnt count due to his extension) so 2.9 is definitely a savings, even though he doesnt project to be a 30 start pitcher

[jacksonianmarch]

http://twitter.com/JimBowdenIV/statuses/8007630187

 

Per Jerry Hairston, the Yankees didnt make him an offer because they've been waiting for Johnny Damon's price to drop. Well, it's dropping for sure, and I think this points to an eventual reunion in the Bronx. If this happens for lets say, 1yr $5mil then this lineup will be a f***ing juggernaut. Wow. I dont even know how I'd line it up.

 

Jeter would lead off. Maybe they put Nick Johnson in the 2 hole for his OBP. Tex and ARod 3-4. Damon in the #5 hole, maybe? Posada in the 6 hole with Granderson, Swisher, and Cano rounding out the 9? That lineup would be absolutely devastating on pitchers. Absolutely devastating

[BudLight]

They would have been better off to pay Wang that money instead of Gaudin. The upside of a healthy Wang is 5 times what Gaudin is worth.

[jacksonianmarch]

When you are talking likelihood, though, they know they can count on Gaudin to be a #5 starter in the AL. Wang could be as good as a #2, but he could be continually injured or continuously sucky post-surgery. I think the Yankees will take the known quantity over the question

[BudLight]

When you are talking likelihood' date=' though, they know they can count on Gaudin to be a #5 starter in the AL. Wang could be as good as a #2, but he could be continually injured or continuously sucky post-surgery. I think the Yankees will take the known quantity over the question[/quote']

 

Or he could be healthy as a f***ing horse and win 19 again. I believe he will return to his old form and he would have been a better bet while having Chamberlain and Hughes to choose from for the #5 if it didn't work out with Wang.

[jacksonianmarch]

He definitely could be and I hope it happens. I just dont think its gonna happen in 2010. He's not going to be ready for the start of the yr. That much is a given. And when it comes to shoulders, nobody knows how long, if ever, it takes to come back. Banking on him for anything more than a minor league deal on a team that is expected to win the world series is a good way to be let down. Gaudin is our contingency plan, and a fine one at that. Wang could be our pie in the sky player. Who knows. Also, it sounds like Wang wont be signing until April unless he gets blown away. If the yankees have an injury or Hughes/Chamberlain are ineffective in that #5 role, I wouldnt be surprised to see Wang come back into the fold

[Imperial59]

http://riveraveblues.com/2010/01/how-much-could-chad-gaudin-make-in-2010-22528/

 

This gives a good rundown. Looks like 3.5-4.0 mil is Gaudin's worth when you look at the other players on the list (Benoit doesnt count due to his extension) so 2.9 is definitely a savings, even though he doesnt project to be a 30 start pitcher

 

I asked how you could have thought Gaudin would have earned more than $5 million and you gave me an article from RAB that compares him to similar pitchers who averaged $3.01 million in the same year of arbitration. Looks like you just proved me right. Even your own sources disagree with you.

[Imperial59]

He definitely could be and I hope it happens. I just dont think its gonna happen in 2010. He's not going to be ready for the start of the yr. That much is a given. And when it comes to shoulders' date=' nobody knows how long, if ever, it takes to come back. Banking on him for anything more than a minor league deal on a team that is expected to win the world series is a good way to be let down. Gaudin is our contingency plan, and a fine one at that. Wang could be our pie in the sky player. Who knows. Also, it sounds like Wang wont be signing until April unless he gets blown away. If the yankees have an injury or Hughes/Chamberlain are ineffective in that #5 role, I wouldnt be surprised to see Wang come back into the fold[/quote']

 

Gaudin is a fine contingency plan? You seem awfully high on a guy with a 4.48 ERA as a starter the last three years, mostly in very pitching friendly parks (Oakland and San Diego).

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I think Gaudin's success with the Yanks, what little bit he had, was a fluke. He doesn't fit into the rotation assuming either Joba or Hughes takes the #5 spot, as one of them should. So he really fits in as a long reliever, which is an ideal role for him. But I think Mitre or any number of guys on the 40 man could serve that role well. Either way, I'm fine with him as a long reliever but I want no part of him starting for the Yankees, ever again.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gaudin is a fine contingency plan? You seem awfully high on a guy with a 4.48 ERA as a starter the last three years' date=' mostly in very pitching friendly parks (Oakland and San Diego).[/quote']

 

He'd be a contingency plan as a #5 starter who is durable. A #5 starter with a sub 5ERA is hard to find

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Heyman reports that the Yanks and Damon have talked in recent days, but that it's still doubtful he returns. Jim Edmonds also said the Yankees contacted his agent and have expressed interest.

[Imperial59]

More Damon updates:

 

Heyman says that Damon has only days to decide on a cheap offer from the Yankees before they move on.

 

 

Damon says he should sign in a week.

 

 

Sounds like a lot of posturing. Still, articles continue to indicate that the Yankees only have $2 million to spend and I doubt Damon takes such a lowball offer.

 

Cashman says the Yankees aren't waiting on Damon.

 

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2010/01/23/cashman-denies-damon-deadline/

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I hope he just tajes whatever deal they offer him. Money shouldn't be an issue, the motherf***er is f***in rich enough just come back and win another championship!

[jacksonianmarch]

I think they are stuck with each other. Cashman wants more offense out of LF than Gardner can provide and Damon is not the same player outside of NY.

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I think they are stuck with each other. Cashman wants more offense out of LF than Gardner can provide and Damon is not the same player outside of NY.

Works for me.

[Imperial59]

Nady just signed with the Cubs for a guaranteed $3.3 million with a $2 million in incentives. That appears to give some credibility to the rumors that Cashman only has $2 million to spend. Either that or he's going to wait if/until Damon signs elsewhere to go after a different option.

 

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Our response to Nady signing with the Cubs?

 

......Greg Golson!

 

http://trsullivan.mlblogs.com/archives/2010/01/rangers_traded_greg_golson_to.html

 

for Mitch Hilligoss.

 

Idk, I might have rather kept Hilligoss than gotten this bum.

[Meh]

Hilligoss was going to be on the bench in double-A at least golson will be on the bench in triple-A.

[Imperial59]

Hilligoss was going to be on the bench in double-A at least golson will be on the bench in triple-A.

 

Well there ya go 26

[Imperial59]

The Yankees signed Randy Winn to a 1-year deal.

 

 

That should wrap up the speculation about Damon returning.

 

Damon had a 122 OPS+ last year, Winn had a 75 OPS+. In the words of Jacko, when he described the dropoff in offense from Bay's 131 OPS+ to Cameron's 111 OPS+, that kind of dropoff is...

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Hilligoss was going to be on the bench in double-A at least golson will be on the bench in triple-A.

I don't see how that makes him any more valuable.

 

As for Winn, it's not a bad signing but I'm still a little disappointed. It's whatever though

[Imperial59]

I don't see how that makes him any more valuable.

 

As for Winn, it's not a bad signing but I'm still a little disappointed. It's whatever though

 

Yeah, it's a decent signing for the money he's probably going to cost. I'm really glad the Yankees didn't get Damon though, he's obviously much better.

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Yeah. Winn is a better defender, and he won't hurt us out of the 9 hole, but it's still a downgrade. He's only making $2mil though, so that about wraps up our offseason.

[Imperial59]

Yeah. Winn is a better defender' date=' and he won't hurt us out of the 9 hole, but it's still a downgrade. He's only making $2mil though, so that about wraps up our offseason.[/quote']

 

What's the Yankees bench look like at this point?