Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[bsox0407]

The fact that you're thinking about something like that clears some things up.

 

it was all hypothetical. it in now way means it will happen. please understand this. I know it will prolly never happen but i am saying if you take that slim to none chance and saying it happens.

 

 

If he doesn't sign a SS, Lowrie will not start, and Iglesias will not be in the ML roster.

 

Now purely Hypothetically, he doesn't sign a SS, who is our SS.

[jacksonianmarch]

this all could have been avoided if you said the following....

 

"Jed Lowrie right now is atop the organizational depth chart for SS, so, if the season started today, he'd be the starting SS. But there is a strong likelihood that Theo will be signing a SS in the near future so Lowrie can stay in AAA"

 

stop progessing an argument, look at the above!

[bsox0407]

stop progessing an argument' date=' look at the above![/quote']

 

we did and mine is hypothetical and he is taking as if it was all truth.

[jacksonianmarch]

You are both saying the same f***ing thing. Lets get back to the hot stove

[Dipre]

stop progessing an argument' date=' look at the above![/quote']

 

Wow Jacko being the voice of reason.

[Dojji]

I feel like we could do worse than re-upping Nick Green to another minor league contract. A couple depth signings make a lot of sense, Especially if Lowrie's starting in AAA, meaning whatever we do at SS is probably going to involve a patchwork of FA's anyway.

 

Green isn't anything special, but he was an above average defensive SS by UZR/150 last year (+8.3 actually, which is pretty darned good), he's above the Mendoza Line offensively, and he's cheap.

 

He had a pretty much career average season last year offensively, which means that what we saw there is what we could probably expect going forward -- and as mediocre as it was, it's still better than any FA except Scutaro, Tejeda, or Cabrera, all of whom for one reason or another are major regression candidates this year (and would be much more expensive anyway).

 

He'll do as a third or fourth option -- which is all he ever was last year anyway. And he'll do as a utility man, which is Green's usual role when he cracks a big league roster. And if you have no one better at the end of the day, Nick Green is survivable as a starting player.

 

I'm not saying the guy should be put anywhere near a starter's job, but he'd be a useful guy to add to increase our depth at a pretty shallow position.

[TheMino007]

Alex Gonzalez is the answer at SS for the 2010 season. For pretty cheap money I'll take the gold glove caliber defense and a guy who for some reason hits better when on a contending team. There shouldn't really be any debate or discussion as to who should be starting at SS next year for this team. ALEX GONZALEZ.

[kreinbihl34]

Why would he consider those stats? They discredit his argument....

 

Because then he won't have his foot in his mouth.

[redsoxrules]

According to a report by FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the Red Sox have made third baseman Mike Lowell available -- and could be willing to pick up as much as half of the tab.

 

Lowell, who batted .290 with 17 homers and 75 RBIs last season, is due to make $12 million in 2010, the final year of a three-year, $37.5 million deal he signed after the 2007 season.

 

The 35-year-old lost significant range defensively after undergoing hip surgery after the 2008 season, and according to one measure ranked as the second-worst baserunner in the American League last season, behind only the Angels' Juan Rivera.

 

Rosenthal notes that Lowell "benefited greatly" from playing at Fenway Park, with a .932 OPS at home compared to .713 on the road.

 

It will be interesting to see if Lowell responds to the rumors. He was candid about his displeasure last offseason when the Red Sox pursued Mark Teixeira, which likely would have left him the odd man out since Kevin Youkilis would have moved from first base to third.

 

The Red Sox could follow a similar plan this offseason if they acquire Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez in a trade or sign free agent third baseman Adrian Beltre.

[TheMino007]

Pass on Beltre. Too risky, why should the Sox lock him up with a multi-year deal when he is basically the same offensive player as Mike Lowell. The range at 3B increase substantially, but I don't see it being worth the risk to sign Beltre.

[redsoxrules]

I wish we could land Adrian Gonzalez and trade Lowell but I doubt that happens

[Dojji]

Alex Gonzalez is the answer at SS for the 2010 season. For pretty cheap money I'll take the gold glove caliber defense and a guy who for some reason hits better when on a contending team. There shouldn't really be any debate or discussion as to who should be starting at SS next year for this team. ALEX GONZALEZ.

 

If you think Alex Gonzalez is going to repeat the season he had last year offensively, you are kidding yourself. Alex Gonzalez has never been that player and he's not going to start now at the age of 35.

 

A career .247 hitter isn't going to suddenly hit .280. Not sustainably anyway. Not anything you could count on.

 

I don't want to impugn Gonzalez' glove. He's getting older, but he's still got golden hands. But his range is slipping, his health is poor, and he was never much of a hitter. I wouldn't weep too loudly if we went in another direction.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Pass on Beltre. Too risky' date=' why should the Sox lock him up with a multi-year deal when he is basically the same offensive player as Mike Lowell. The range at 3B increase substantially, but I don't see it being worth the risk to sign Beltre.[/quote']

Because Beltre's a gold-glove caliber defender.

[Dojji]

If other better deals don't come up (read: Adrian Gonzalez), I'd move Lowell, and sign Adam LaRoche to a three-year deal. An elite bat he isn't, but he's not a bad Millar-type and will give us the level of offense Lowell used to give us, while adding another source of LHH power

[Dipre]

If other better deals don't come up (read: Adrian Gonzalez)' date=' I'd move Lowell, and sign Adam LaRoche to a three-year deal. An elite bat he isn't, but he's not a bad Millar-type and will give us the level of offense Lowell used to give us, while adding another source of LHH power[/quote']

 

Can you stop with the LaRoche mancrush?

 

If you're not going to get a true bat to man first, it'd be better to sign a GG-caliber 3B like Beltre instead of the very definition of "Average" at 1B, or Adam LaRoche.

[Gom]

The Yankees are having said to be willing to trade Hughes or Chamberlain in a deal for Halladay.

 

This is pretty much a given, that if you were to trade Halladay, to get a young stud in return. I'm curious, for those of you that understand baseball [those don't know, please don't bother replying]...

 

If you were the Blue Jays, who would you rather have?

 

Buchholz

Hughes

Chamberlain

 

Assume the rest of the package is equal. Who would you take if you were the Blue Jays GM?

 

Please discuss, and why.

[rhet]

Buchholz.

Not even close.

[Spudboy]

I feel like we could do worse than re-upping Nick Green to another minor league contract. A couple depth signings make a lot of sense, Especially if Lowrie's starting in AAA, meaning whatever we do at SS is probably going to involve a patchwork of FA's anyway.

 

Green isn't anything special, but he was an above average defensive SS by UZR/150 last year (+8.3 actually, which is pretty darned good), he's above the Mendoza Line offensively, and he's cheap.

 

He had a pretty much career average season last year offensively, which means that what we saw there is what we could probably expect going forward -- and as mediocre as it was, it's still better than any FA except Scutaro, Tejeda, or Cabrera, all of whom for one reason or another are major regression candidates this year (and would be much more expensive anyway).

 

He'll do as a third or fourth option -- which is all he ever was last year anyway. And he'll do as a utility man, which is Green's usual role when he cracks a big league roster. And if you have no one better at the end of the day, Nick Green is survivable as a starting player.

 

I'm not saying the guy should be put anywhere near a starter's job, but he'd be a useful guy to add to increase our depth at a pretty shallow position.

 

This is amazing.

 

I am in agreement with Dojji for the second time today.

 

Good post.

[Spudboy]

Alex Gonzalez is the answer at SS for the 2010 season. For pretty cheap money I'll take the gold glove caliber defense and a guy who for some reason hits better when on a contending team. There shouldn't really be any debate or discussion as to who should be starting at SS next year for this team. ALEX GONZALEZ.

 

I don't see the Sox "going big" at SS for 2010.

 

With that in mind, they should sign Alex Gonzalez.

 

I just hope that Theo's hard-on for Scutero (sp) does not interfere with the decision.

 

That would be another SS blunder.

[yankees228]

Buchholz.

Not even close.

 

I think it's Buchholz as well, but it's not fair to talk about as if it's not even close. While Buchholz has had the most success so far as a starter, the Blue Jays would still be making their decision based mostly on potential, instead of what each has already accomplished.

 

Regardless, like I said, I think it's Buchholz, because he has shown more of an ability to command all of his pitches, unlike Chamberlain and Hughes.

[Keeper]

It depends on if Hughes and Chamberlain are capable of being starters. Hughes was having a bad season as a starter before the Yankees moved him to the pen. Chamberlain hasn't been able to go deep into games and got exposed in 2009 as a starter. His endurance, or lack thereof, leads me to believe that he belongs in the pen.

 

Chamberlain and Hughes are a little younger than Buchholz, but the age difference is negligible.

 

At this point, Buchholz has more perceived value than both of them. He lost the mystique of his no-no, but bounced back nicely this year.

 

They're all still sort of a mystery, but moving forward Buchholz seems the most likely to remain a starter. Meanwhile, the Yankees still don't know what to do with Chamberlain or Hughes.

 

I would go with Buchholz.

[Spudboy]

Based an what I've seen of the three, I'd go with Buck.

 

But I have a feeling Hughes may be the best choice.

 

My opinion is slanted by having seen much more of Buck, needless to say.

[yankees228]

It depends on if Hughes and Chamberlain are capable of being starters. Hughes was having a bad season as a starter before the Yankees moved him to the pen. Chamberlain hasn't been able to go deep into games and got exposed in 2009 as a starter. His endurance, or lack thereof, leads me to believe that he belongs in the pen.

 

Chamberlain and Hughes are a little younger than Buchholz, but the age difference is negligible.

 

At this point, Buchholz has more perceived value than both of them. He lost the mystique of his no-no, but bounced back nicely this year.

 

They're all still sort of a mystery, but moving forward Buchholz seems the most likely to remain a starter. Meanwhile, the Yankees still don't know what to do with Chamberlain or Hughes.

 

I would go with Buchholz.

 

I agree with pretty much all of this, except it's important to note that Hughes seemed like he was starting to turn it around before he was moved to the bullpen. He had an excellent start to his season against Detroit, then after a poor game against Boston, he got bombed in Baltimore. But following that, he had back to back 5 IP, 3 ER performances. Not great, but in the last one, he struck out nine guys, and he definitely seemed like he was getting it going. Then he pitched an 8 inning shutout in Texas, and then gave up four runs in Cleveland, but if you watch the game, he pitched much better than his line would tell you.

 

Granted, the numbers weren't that great overall, but following his awful start in Baltimore, I really think he started to turn it around. I think one of the main reasons he was so successful out of the bullpen was because he had just begun to get things going as a starter.

[BSN07]

1.Buchholz

2.Hughes

3.Joba

 

Not being a homer I have reasons

 

From what I have seen Joba needs to be in the pen. That automatically puts him to the bottom of the list.

 

Hughes had great stuff out of the pen last season. He should get an opportunity to start and see what he can do, like Joba did. But right now it could go either way.

 

Buchholz has solidified himself in the Red Sox starting rotation. He had a lot of success last season after coming back up(the V-Mart addition helped a lot IMO), He is getting ready to enter his 1st year with the training wheels off so to speak. he just seems like the better bet right now.

[Spudboy]

1.Buchholz

2.Hughes

3.Joba

 

Not being a homer I have reasons

 

From what I have seen Joba needs to be in the pen. That automatically puts him to the bottom of the list.

 

Hughes had great stuff out of the pen last season. He should get an opportunity to start and see what he can do, like Joba did. But right now it could go either way.

 

Buchholz has solidified himself in the Red Sox starting rotation. He had a lot of success last season after coming back up(the V-Mart addition helped a lot IMO), He is getting ready to enter his 1st year with the training wheels off so to speak. he just seems like the better bet right now.

 

Fixed that for you.

[rhet]

I just hope that Theo's hard-on for Scutero (sp) does not interfere with the decision.

 

That would be another SS blunder.

 

A one year wonder at 34. Best not to get a hard on for that.

[Red Foreman]

1.Buchholz

2.Hughes

3.Joba

 

Not being a homer I have reasons

 

From what I have seen Joba needs to be in the pen. That automatically puts him to the bottom of the list.

 

Hughes had great stuff out of the pen last season. He should get an opportunity to start and see what he can do, like Joba did. But right now it could go either way.

 

Buchholz has solidified himself in the Red Sox starting rotation. He had a lot of success last season after coming back up(the V-Mart addition helped a lot IMO), He is getting ready to enter his 1st year with the training wheels off so to speak. he just seems like the better bet right now.

 

Why do you think VMart helped him?

[Dipre]

Why do you think VMart helped him?

 

They formed a pretty good rapport.

 

If you'll notice, V-Mart sort of became Buch's "Personal catcher" after his arrival to Boston.

[BSN07]

Why do you think VMart helped him?

 

Do you actually follow the team?

[Dipre]

Do you actually follow the team?

 

Hey, be nice. The "being an *******" duties for the site are covered extremely well by me.