Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Cocos Disciples]

Whoever said Iglesias might be on the 25 man roster this year (too lazy to look two pages back): no. He's 19 and has no professional experience. Wait until 2012 at the earliest.

[BSN07]

Whoever said Iglesias might be on the 25 man roster this year (too lazy to look two pages back): no. He's 19 and has no professional experience. Wait until 2012 at the earliest.

 

Well actually I think one of the "sports writers" suggested that Iggy could be on the ML team in the upcoming season. I thought it an odd suggestion at first glance. But if the Sox only need someone who can play good defense at SS this season and not have to worry about what he contributes offensively(same situation as AGON), then it might be a possibility I guess. I think it may be down the list of what the FO wants to do, but I guess there are some circumstances that could lead to it happening.

[kreinbihl34]

I think this should show people a good barometer of Mike Lowell's worth. He had a .713OPS outside of Fenway last season and didnt play 120 games for a second yr in a row. He is not worth even half the money he is paid.

 

Also, the rumor I have seen now thrice is that the sox will be heavily pursuing Adrian Beltre should Adrian Gonzalez not be a feasible option

 

Did you care to look up 2006 or 2008 stats?

 

You would find that he actually did better away from Fenway.

 

EDIT: Dipre beat me to it.

[BSN07]

Did you care to look up 2006 or 2008 stats?

 

You would find that he actually did better away from Fenway.

 

EDIT: Dipre beat me to it.

 

Why would he consider those stats? They discredit his argument....

[bsox0407]

Whoever said Iglesias might be on the 25 man roster this year (too lazy to look two pages back): no. He's 19 and has no professional experience. Wait until 2012 at the earliest.

 

that was me because i think that if we go in with only Lowrie he will get some time. he is really good defensively and he plays 2nd and 3rd also. he could fill a Alex Cora role for the first year. not as a starter. but i think it won't happen because the will hopefully sign a SS

[Cocos Disciples]

that was me because i think that if we go in with only Lowrie he will get some time. he is really good defensively and he plays 2nd and 3rd also. he could fill a Alex Cora role for the first year. not as a starter. but i think it won't happen because the will hopefully sign a SS

 

Iglesias should play a full season in the low minors this year, not be a backup infielder. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I think that's a really bad idea.

[bsox0407]

Iglesias should play a full season in the low minors this year' date=' not be a backup infielder. I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I think that's a really bad idea.[/quote']

 

if we only had lowrie who do want as a back up infielder. we could sign Alex Cora back. good defense, okay hitter. Iglesias is hitting well against AA and AAA pitchers. Plus if he has a really good Spring Training i think it wouldn't be a horrible idea. Maybe if he starts the season in AA wouldn't be a bad idea. he will be in the Majors in September.

[Dipre]

if we only had lowrie who do want as a back up infielder. we could sign Alex Cora back. good defense' date=' okay hitter. Iglesias is hitting well against AA and AAA pitchers. Plus if he has a really good Spring Training i think it wouldn't be a horrible idea. Maybe if he starts the season in AA wouldn't be a bad idea. he will be in the Majors in September.[/quote']

 

He needs to play full time in the minors.

 

If he sniffs the majors this year it's because something went terribly wrong.

[BSN07]

Lowrie is playing this season in AAA to prove he can stay healthy. I don't know why people expect him to be on the ML roster when camp breaks.

 

If Iggy is on the ML roster he should be playing, he doesn't need to be left on the bench. He needs to play. if they don't plan to just let him play then they will probably be bringing in someone else and let him play in the Minors.

[bsox0407]

He needs to play full time in the minors.

 

If he sniffs the majors this year it's because something went terribly wrong.

 

He is already on the 40 man roster. so it could happen that he ends up on the 25.

[BSN07]

He needs to play full time in the minors.

 

If he sniffs the majors this year it's because something went terribly wrong.

 

I agree he needs to play. If he's playing for the Red Sox this season it wouldn't be because something went terribly wrong. It will be because the Sox feel he can offer the team the defense/offense they believe they would get from any other FA. If he can come in and play great F and hit .240, .320, they might consider it good enough :dunno:

[Dipre]

He is already on the 40 man roster. so it could happen that he ends up on the 25.

 

The fact that he's on the 40-man roster has nothing to do with whether he does or doesn't end up reaching the Majors next year.

 

Stick to the facts.

[Dipre]

I agree he needs to play. If he's playing for the Red Sox this season it wouldn't be because something went terribly wrong. It will be because the Sox feel he can offer the team the defense/offense they believe they would get from any other FA. If he can come in and play great F and hit .240' date=' .320, they might consider it good enough :dunno:[/quote']

 

You know enough about baseball to realize that rushing a player to the Majors is the worst thing a team can do against the developmental process of said player, that being said, why would they call Iglesis to the Majors when he hasn't even played AA ball?

 

It makes abslutely no sense.

[bsox0407]

The fact that he's on the 40-man roster has nothing to do with whether he does or doesn't up reaching the Majors next year.

 

Stick to the facts.

 

He most likely will be on the Spring Training. And in September he may come up with the other call ups. I would like to have him on the MLB roster to break camp. Who will be the back up infielder if Lowrie is our starter.

[Dipre]

He most likely will be on the Spring Training. And in September he may come up with the other call ups. I would like to have him on the MLB roster to break camp. Who will be the back up infielder if Lowrie is our starter.

 

1) Lowrie is not going to start for this team or even be the backup, that has already been announced.

 

2)Iglesias is not making the ML roster out of Spring Training. That would be the stupidest decision ever by this FO.

 

3)The mere fact that you imply that you would "like to have him on the ML roster" means you understand absolutely nothing about the developmental process of a player, so i suggest you leave the subject alone.

[bsox0407]

1) Lowrie is not going to start for this team or even be the backup' date=' that has already been announced.[/quote']

 

I Already said if all we have going into the season is Lowrie. Not if we have Alex Gonzalez

 

2)Iglesias is not making the ML roster out of Spring Training. That would be the stupidest decision ever by this FO.

 

It would be if they had a SS who could play everyday unlike Lowrie prolly will.

 

3)The mere fact that you imply that you would "like to have him on the ML roster" means you understand absolutely nothing about the developmental process of a player, so i suggest you leave the subject alone.

 

Some players are MLB ready right out. Whats the worst that happens if he hits like Pedroia did when he first came up or at the beginning of 2007.

[Dojji]

It's not exactly like we're going to get a great hitter at SS anyway. If Iglesias is the glove he's touted to be, why the heck not?

[Spudboy]

He'll most likely play at Fenway once in 2010.

 

In the Futures At Fenway game.

 

The KID has not played a single minor league game. Like Coco says, he'll start in A ball. He needs to learn how to hit! Playing MLB would serve no constructive purpose and it would delay his development.

[Dipre]

It's not exactly like we're going to get a great hitter at SS anyway. If Iglesias is the glove he's touted to be' date=' why the heck not?[/quote']

 

Because it would ruin his development?

 

Are you serious?

[Dipre]

I Already said if all we have going into the season is Lowrie. Not if we have Alex Gonzalez

 

Lowrie.Is.Going.To.AAA.

 

It would be if they had a SS who could play everyday unlike Lowrie prolly will.

 

Lowrie.Is.Going.To.AAA.

 

Some players are MLB ready right out. Whats the worst that happens if he hits like Pedroia did when he first came up or at the beginning of 2007.

 

A) You're making this up.

 

B ) If you know nothing about the developmental process of a baseball player, then stop talking like you know anything about it. Players may skip levels, but they need preparation in the Minors. I wonder why can't miss prospects like Evan Longoria and Chase Utley even saw time in the Minors then if you can be ready outright, oh wait, it's because the organizations they play for actually know what they're doing. Jesus Christ.

[bsox0407]

A) You're making this up.

 

What am i making. up. Who is our shortstop if we do not add anyone at the SS position that is what i am saying.

 

B ) If you know nothing about the developmental process of a baseball player' date=' then stop talking like you know anything about it. Players may skip levels, but they need preparation in the Minors. I wonder why can't miss prospects like Evan Longoria and Chase Utley even saw time in the Minors then if you can be ready outright, oh wait, it's because the organizations they play for actually know what they're doing. Jesus Christ.[/quote']

 

What about players who play other sports and go right in and do well. Come right out of high school Kevin Garnett, Lebron James. he could use minor league action but i don't think a full year.

[Dipre]

What am i making. up. Who is our shortstop if we do not add anyone at the SS position that is what i am saying.

 

Jed Lowrie is going to start the season at AAA. This came right out of the mouth of Theo Epstein, you know, the Sox' Gm, that means they're signing someone to play SS, therefore, your assumption that Lowrie might start the season as the team's SS is a fabrication, AKA, made up stuff.

 

 

 

What about players who play other sports and go right in and do well. Come right out of high school Kevin Garnett, Lebron James. he could use minor league action but i don't think a full year.

 

Where are the baseball examples?

 

Basketball and baseball are nowhere near the same.

 

Again, players need a developmental period, the fact that "you don't think" he needs a full year of minor league action means absolutely nothing because you don't know anything about player development, and even if you did, you've barely seen the kid play to come up with such "accurate" assessments of what should be his ETA.

[jacksonianmarch]

someone will be added. Iglesias is probably headed for A+ ball. And, although his glove may be advanced, his bat is not. The hope is that you develop his bat to be average so that he's worth well above average when combined with his D. If you started him in the bigs right now, he's probably hit below .200. They call it development for a reason.

[bsox0407]

Jed Lowrie is going to start the season at AAA. This came right out of the mouth of Theo Epstein' date=' you know, the Sox' Gm, that means they're signing someone to play SS, therefore, your assumption that Lowrie might start the season as the team's SS is a fabrication, AKA, made up stuff.[/quote']

 

I had not heard him say that. But what I was saying if we did not sign anyone at all. Purely Hypothetically.

 

 

 

Where are the baseball examples?

 

Basketball and baseball are nowhere near the same.

 

Again, players need a developmental period, the fact that "you don't think" he needs a full year of minor league action means absolutely nothing because you don't know anything about player development, and even if you did, you've barely seen the kid play to come up with such "accurate" assessments of what should be his ETA.

 

Cy Young. HA. :lol: He only played when he was older. Please listen to what I am saying. If we have Gonzalez he stays in the minors. If we don't which Epstein has said he will sign someone. But was saying IF we didn't.

[Dipre]

I had not heard him say that. But what I was saying if we did not sign anyone at all. Purely Hypothetically.

 

Your hypothesis has no logical grounds. There are plenty of free agent SS. No reason for Lowrie to start the year as the team's SS.

 

 

 

Cy Young. HA. :lol: He only played when he was older. Please listen to what I am saying. If we have Gonzalez he stays in the minors. If we don't which Epstein has said he will sign someone. But was saying IF we didn't.

 

Under what circumstances do you assume Epstein does not sign a SS, because what you're saying simply makes no sense.

[bsox0407]

Your hypothesis has no logical grounds. There are plenty of free agent SS. No reason for Lowrie to start the year as the team's SS.

 

It was hypothetical. It means only IF it happened.

 

 

Under what circumstances do you assume Epstein does not sign a SS, because what you're saying simply makes no sense.

 

No offense to theo he does not always say what he really is gonna do. NOMAR. But still i am not assuming he won't sign anyone. i Said if he doesn't Purely hypothetical.

[Dipre]

It was hypothetical. It means only IF it happened.

 

I know what it means, but it's not going to happen, and there's no indication to the contrary.

 

No offense to theo he does not always say what he really is gonna do. NOMAR. But still i am not assuming he won't sign anyone. i Said if he doesn't Purely hypothetical.

 

This makes about as much sense as a donkey riding a chihuahua while smoking a joint and singing a song in German.

[bsox0407]

I know what it means' date=' but it's not going to happen, and there's no indication to the contrary.[/quote']

 

Thats why it is hypothetical. it doesn't mean it will happen. Just if we do. its like saying what happened if the bear doesn't stop to take a s*** would he have caught the rabbit.

 

 

This makes about as much sense as a donkey riding a chihuahua while smoking a joint and singing a song in German.

 

IT could happen. about the donkey. the world may never know.

 

What i am saying even though Theo will sign a SS what happens if he does not.

[Dipre]

Thats why it is hypothetical. it doesn't mean it will happen. Just if we do. its like saying what happened if the bear doesn't stop to take a s*** would he have caught the rabbit.

 

The fact that you're thinking about something like that clears some things up.

 

 

IT could happen. about the donkey. the world may never know.

 

What i am saying even though Theo will sign a SS what happens if he does not.

 

If he doesn't sign a SS, Lowrie will not start, and Iglesias will not be in the ML roster.

[jacksonianmarch]

this all could have been avoided if you said the following....

 

"Jed Lowrie right now is atop the organizational depth chart for SS, so, if the season started today, he'd be the starting SS. But there is a strong likelihood that Theo will be signing a SS in the near future so Lowrie can stay in AAA"