Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread

[Dipre]

beeeeecauuuuuuse it wouldn't be Adrian Gonzalez I guess.

 

He's not Adam LaRoche either so we can agree on this one.

[TheMino007]

The Adrian Gonzalez ship has sailed, for this offseason at least. I think one way or another come trade deadline next season, he'll be on this team. Since Mike Lowell is still on the team, there is no need for Adrian Beltre. There isn't much upside of having Beltre over a healthy Mike Lowell next year. You play Lowell 100 games next year between 3B and DH, so that gets Kotchman some time at first. The Sox need to fill out the bench, go find that utility man in Nick Green or Tug Huelett. Do the Sox need a RHH 5th or another arm in the pen? I think the Sox will dread water in the AL East race by July, hopefully be only be less than 7 games out and then trade for Adrian Gonzalez and make a push for the AL East crown. There is no reason why this team shouldn't lead the Wild Card with this current roster.

[Dipre]

The Adrian Gonzalez ship has sailed' date=' for this offseason at least. I think one way or another come trade deadline next season, he'll be on this team. Since Mike Lowell is still on the team, there is no need for Adrian Beltre. There isn't much upside of having Beltre over a healthy Mike Lowell next year. You play Lowell 100 games next year between 3B and DH, so that gets Kotchman some time at first. The Sox need to fill out the bench, go find that utility man in Nick Green or Tug Huelett. Do the Sox need a RHH 5th or another arm in the pen? I think the Sox will dread water in the AL East race by July, hopefully be only be less than 7 games out and then trade for Adrian Gonzalez and make a push for the AL East crown. There is no reason why this team shouldn't lead the Wild Card with this current roster.[/quote']

 

Mike Lowell can no longer play 3B. There's a reason why the FO refuses to commit to him as a 3B.

[TheMino007]

Your the only one who seems to say that.

[a700hitter]

The Adrian Gonzalez ship has sailed' date=' for this offseason at least. I think one way or another come trade deadline next season, he'll be on this team. [/quote']What makes you think that the Sox will get him by the trading dealine if they can'y make a deal for him by opening day. What will change about the teams or Gonzalez 3 1/2 months after the season starts that will make a trade likely?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

San Diego can get a bigger reward at the deadline.

[neilpatrickharris]

San Diego can get a bigger reward at the deadline.

 

I don't think this is necessarily true. Teams will be much more reluctant to part with key major league contributors (IE Buchholz, Ellsbury, Bard) mid-season

[Dipre]

Your the only one who seems to say that.

 

No. Unlike this statement, my statement was based on logic, and what the FO has demonstrated this off-season.

 

Facts:

 

1) Lowell's range was greatly diminished last year, and both the stats and a keen observer eye could easily see that this is true.

 

2) The Sox were actively trying to shop him,eating 75% of his salary to boot, and that's because they don't see him as a solid defensive third baseman anymore.If it's not because they don't want him playing third, then why?

 

3) Your statement that i'm the only who thinks he's not a viable third baseman anymore is a fabrication on your part, since actions speak louder than words, and the fact that the Sox are both pursuing Beltre and trying to get rid of Lowell tells you, by using the smallest measure of logic, that they want someone else playing third base to start 2010.

 

Please take the time to think thoroughly before making an assessment as ridiculous as that one.

[a700hitter]

I don't think this is necessarily true. Teams will be much more reluctant to part with key major league contributors (IE Buchholz' date=' Ellsbury, Bard) mid-season[/quote']Either way... why would a trade for Gonzalez be more likely at the trading deadline?

[a700hitter]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/01/hoyer_gonzalez.html

 

No Gonzalez, not now, not later.

[Dipre]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/01/hoyer_gonzalez.html

 

No Gonzalez, not now, not later.

 

If they stumble out of the gate (they will) and can't extend him (they can't) then he's probably getting traded at the TDL.

[Dojji]

If they stumble out of the gate (they will)

 

Yes. they will

 

and can't extend him (they can't)

 

Not so sure about this, they did just clear Peavy's salary

 

then he's probably getting traded at the TDL.

 

Would not be surprised, but it's not a lock.

[a700hitter]

If they stumble out of the gate (they will) and can't extend him (they can't) then he's probably getting traded at the TDL.

They stumble out of the gate, and they trade their best young cost-controlled player and their only drawing card? I don't see it.

[Dipre]

They stumble out of the gate' date=' and they trade their best young cost-controlled player and their only drawing card? I don't see it.[/quote']

 

That team has nothing. They don't have a drawing card, because they don't win, and to win, they need to revive that dead farm system, and that's the way to go about it.

[Dipre]

Not so sure about this' date=' they did just clear Peavy's salary[/quote']

 

That team is actually cutting payroll after trading Peavy.

 

Would not be surprised, but it's not a lock.

 

Hence the "probably".

[a700hitter]

That team has nothing. They don't have a drawing card' date=' because they don't win, and to win, they need to revive that dead farm system, and that's the way to go about it.[/quote']Why not trade him now? Looking at their roster, they know they will suck. I just don't see how his price will come down after the season starts.

[Dipre]

Why not trade him now? Looking at their roster' date=' they know they will suck. I just don't see how his price will come down after the season starts.[/quote']

 

It won't come down. If anything, it'll get higher, since teams are much more desperate at the TDL.

[a700hitter]

It won't come down. If anything' date=' it'll get higher, since teams are much more desperate at the TDL.[/quote']I don't see Theo giving into desperation and parting with more at the trading deadline than he would give up now.

[Dipre]

I don't see Theo giving into desperation and parting with more at the trading deadline than he would give up now.

 

I'm not saying we're getting him.

 

I'm saying they're trading him.

 

A team like Seattle or the Angels might have the pieces to pull it off if need be.

[Keeper]

The Padres may not stumble out of the gate. The last 62 games of the season they finished 37-25.

[Dipre]

The Padres may not stumble out of the gate. The last 62 games of the season they finished 37-25.

 

They were playing over their heads. They can get off to a good start, but do you think they'll have a respectable record come June?

[Keeper]

No, probably not. But it's conceivable they could play .500 ball next year.

[Dipre]

No' date=' probably not. But it's conceivable they could play .500 ball next year.[/quote']

 

With that roster?

 

I doubt it, dude.

[Keeper]

With that roster?

 

I doubt it, dude.

 

They have some young talent. Everth Cabrera, Will Venable, Chase Headley, and Kyle Blanks could all wind up being pretty good. If Chris Young can stay healthy and return to form and Kevin Correia can duplicate what he did last year they'll be okay at the top of the rotation. They also have Mat Latos, Aaron Poreda, Wade LeBlanc, and Clayton Richard. All of whom could develop.

 

Still a lot of of question marks, but the talent is there.

[Dipre]

They have some young talent. Everth Cabrera, Will Venable, Chase Headley, and Kyle Blanks could all wind up being pretty good. If Chris Young can stay healthy and return to form and Kevin Correia can duplicate what he did last year they'll be okay at the top of the rotation. They also have Mat Latos, Aaron Poreda, Wade LeBlanc, and Clayton Richard. All of whom could develop.

 

Still a lot of of question marks, but the talent is there.

 

The defense is a question mark, what about the bullpen behind Bell?

 

You're also banking on a healthy Young and a lot of rookies producing.

[Keeper]

The defense is a question mark, what about the bullpen behind Bell?

 

You're also banking on a healthy Young and a lot of rookies producing.

 

Luke Gregerson was a stud last year. Mike Adams is good. And Joe Thatcher has been good 2 out of 3 seasons. I'm not saying the Padres will contend. But I honestly think they could flirt with .500 ball. A lot of things have to happen, but it's not inconceivable.

[Dipre]

Luke Gregerson was a stud last year. Mike Adams is good. And Joe Thatcher has been good 2 out of 3 seasons. I'm not saying the Padres will contend. But I honestly think they could flirt with .500 ball. A lot of things have to happen' date=' but it's not inconceivable.[/quote']

 

I'll give you Adams.

 

But Gregerson had a 6.48 ERA away from Petco last year. Thatcher has pretty significant platoon issues.

 

I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's extremely unlikely.

[Lester82]

the padres roster is now being discussed more here than in San Diego. LOL

 

I also didn't get the media clamour when it's repeated over and over about the local community/fanbase in SD being so upset over a native San Diego player (and a part of the Mexican-American community) being traded, face of the franchise and all that, when the Padres don't have much of a fanbase to alienate. As has been said here, they don't win and have no draw.

[Emmz]

Probably because no one cares about the Padres in SD. Lolz.

[Lester82]

Probably because no one cares about the Padres in SD. Lolz.

 

oh brother, dipre's girlfriend is here.