Manny admits he quit on the Sox

[THE ARS]

“ 'The team management didn’t have his back,” Juliana tells the authors. “They gave him up to the press instead of protecting one of their own players.”

 

Consequently, the authors say, Manny infamously quit on the Sox.

 

“Manny was hard-pressed to give his best to a team he knew was eager to cast him aside,” according to the book.' "

 

 

BOSTON HERALD DOT COM /track/inside_track/view/2009_02_11_Book_gives_Manny_Ramirez%E2%80%99s_side_of_the_meltdown/

 

Sorry, can't link it but you get the idea

 

 

 

 

Tom

[JimEdHOF2009]

If anyone needed any proof...which they shouldn't have, the 24-1 player vote to get rid of him should have been enough.

[Ray10]

Considering everyone in the clubhouse couldn't stand the guy he should have just took it like a man and faced facts that it was time for him to go and boy was it a happy day when they traded him away. I don't care what kind of numbers the guy put up for the Sox in his career he was a joke he didn't nothing but bring negative attention and deserved to go.

[THE ARS]

True.

 

This is for the remaining apologists, JimEd.

 

They are not extinct yet, but it is only a matter of time.

 

Tom

 

 

Ray, you are missing 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918.

 

C'mon man.

[Keeper]

Considering everyone in the clubhouse couldn't stand the guy he should have just took it like a man and faced facts that it was time for him to go and boy was it a happy day when they traded him away. I don't care what kind of numbers the guy put up for the Sox in his career he was a joke he didn't nothing but bring negative attention and deserved to go.

 

I agree that he deserved to go. But to say that he did nothing but bring negative attention to the franchise is a tad misleading. Hard to argue with winning two rings. And hard to say they would have won without him.

[italstallianion]

If anyone needed any proof...which they shouldn't have' date=' the 24-1 player vote to get rid of him should have been enough.[/quote']

 

 

It slipped my mind, but can you refresh me as to who the 1 dissenting vote was?

[rician blast]

Francona doesn't see it the same way as manny:

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view.bg?articleid=1151679

[BSN07]

It slipped my mind' date=' but can you refresh me as to who the 1 dissenting vote was?[/quote']

 

If I had to venture a guess, it be Ortiz.

[italstallianion]

I would have guessed Lugo--I swear Manny and Lugo had a great friendship...

 

Although Ortiz has said that the team was better and probably would have won the WS had Manny been on the team...

[BoSox21]

if it was a 24-1 vote, wouldnt that have meant Manny had a vote? 25-man roster...

[a700hitter]

If I had to venture a guess' date=' it be Ortiz.[/quote']At the time articles indicated that Ortiz joined the group of players that went to management and asked them to trade Manny.

[BSN07]

At the time articles indicated that Ortiz joined the group of players that went to management and asked them to trade Manny.

 

Then Ortiz has no right to bitch and moan that Manny is gone and not protecting him in the lineup. Also he has not right to complain about the Sox getting another premier bat to back him, if he was in on the vote that sent the last one away. Don't get me wrong, I believe the Sox did the correct thing in sending Manny away. i just don't think someone should be able to complain about it if they took part in it is all.

 

 

Wasn't Ortiz seen wearing some sort of Manny t-shirt under his jersey or during warm ups or something after the trade? Not that it really matters though, just curious.

[a700hitter]

Then Ortiz has no right to bitch and moan that Manny is gone and not protecting him in the lineup. Also he has not right to complain about the Sox getting another premier bat to back him, if he was in on the vote that sent the last one away. Don't get me wrong, I believe the Sox did the correct thing in sending Manny away. i just don't think someone should be able to complain about it if they took part in it is all.

I don't see the connection. I don't remember him bitching that the Red Sox traded him. I don't see the contradiction between Ortiz supporting the trade and making the statement that if they had Manny they would have won another championship. I agree with him about that. If they had a Manny who was willing to play hard and not quit, I believe that they would have won another championship, but Manny gave every indication that he was going to continue to lie down and quit. Where's the contradiction, and why would Ortiz have no right to make the statement.

[BSN07]

I don't see the connection. I don't remember him bitching that the Red Sox traded him. I don't see the contradiction between Ortiz supporting the trade and making the statement that if they had Manny they would have won another championship. I agree with him about that. If they had a Manny who was willing to play hard and not quit' date=' I believe that they would have won another championship, but Manny gave every indication that he was going to continue to lie down and quit. Where's the contradiction, and why would Ortiz have no right to make the statement.[/quote']

 

Yes A700 if they had Manny they might have won, theres no arguing that. I know where your coming from.

 

 

The connection was I thought Ortiz voted for him to stay. Others on here have said that probably not likely, even one thought it might be Lugo. All I'm saying is that if Ortiz wasn't the one player who voted for Manny to stay then he can't complain about Manny not protecting him anymore. Or complain about who the Sox have/ haven't got to replace the protection Manny provided. It's a kind of having your cake and eating it too type of thing.

[a700hitter]

Yes A700 if they had Manny they might have won, theres no arguing that. I know where your coming from.

 

 

The connection was I thought Ortiz voted for him to stay. Others on here have said that probably not likely, even one thought it might be Lugo. All I'm saying is that if Ortiz wasn't the one player who voted for Manny to stay then he can't complain about Manny not protecting him anymore. Or complain about who the Sox have/ haven't got to replace the protection Manny provided. it's a kind of having your cake and eating it too type of thing.

He never complained about the trading of Manny. He just said that manny could've helped them win. Why would his support for the treade preclude him from expressing his opinion about needing another big bat? Don't you think that another big bat would help? Were you opposed to the Manny trade? Whether you supported or were against the Manny trade has no effect on whether they need another big hitter.

[BSN07]

He never complained about the trading of Manny. He just said that manny could've helped them win. Why would his support for the treade preclude him from expressing his opinion about needing another big bat? Don't you think that another big bat would help? Were you opposed to the Manny trade? Whether you supported or were against the Manny trade has no effect on whether they need another big hitter.

 

He should have never made this statement. He's saying if Manny was not traded they would have won, and because Manny was not there, is why they lost, sounds like some form of a complaint to me.

 

Manny was traded, end of story. The fact that he was still commenting on this after the Post Season is ridiculous.

 

How do you think all his other teammates felt? I know I might have an issue with a teammate saying something of this nature. I'm sure Bay loved to hear this. Or anyone else on the team for that matter.

 

I guess my point is, once Manny was traded, Ortiz should move on like everyone else did. Instead he was quoted as saying the FO need to bring in a Big bat to protect him. Is Bay chopped liver? Does he think he's incapable of offering protection for him?

[BoSox21]

I guess my point is' date=' once Manny was traded, Ortiz should move on like everyone else did. Instead he was quoted as saying the FO need to bring in a Big bat to protect him. Is Bay chopped liver? Does he think he's incapable of offering protection for him?[/quote']

 

His exact quote was "I think we need a few guys in the bullpen and a 30-home run guy and we'll be all set."

 

He doesn't say anything about not thinking Jason Bay is capable of protecting him.

[Ray10]

I agree that he deserved to go. But to say that he did nothing but bring negative attention to the franchise is a tad misleading. Hard to argue with winning two rings. And hard to say they would have won without him.

 

Don't get me wrong man I'm not saying what he did on the field wasn't remarkable and I couldn't agree more that without him we prolly never would have won the world series. But when your teammates vote you out you must be doing something wrong in the clubhouse.

[a700hitter]

He should have never made this statement. He's saying if Manny was not traded they would have won' date=' and because Manny was not there, is why they lost, sounds like some form of a complaint to me. [/quote']He was asked if they could have gone further with Manny. He gave his honest assessment which is the same as mine. You think in some way he was precluded from making that assessment? It obviously was not a complaint against the FO, because he joined his mates in telling the FO that Manny had to go. If it was a complaint, maybe it was against Manny for acting like a jack ass and forcing a trade. Maybe he felt that Manny had let them down. In his answer, he doesn't lay blame at Manny or the FO. He merely gave his opinion that a player of Manny's caliber could have made the difference. If there is a complaint in that, you don't know at whom it is directed.

 

Manny was traded' date=' end of story. The fact that he was still commenting on this after the Post Season is ridiculous.[/quote'] It was an honest response to a very direct question. Somehow, you think that he was duty bound to not answer the question?

 

How do you think all his other teammates felt? I know I might have an issue with a teammate saying something of this nature. I'm sure Bay loved to hear this. Or anyone else on the team for that matter.

I am sure lots of other players were wondering what might have been if Manny hadn't run himself out of town. Bay knows he is not Manny. The last thing he needs is for the fans to expect him to replace Manny, because he is solidly below Manny's level. I would doubt that he took great offense at hearing that one of the greatest all-time RH hitters might have made the difference. If he did, well then, he needs a serious reality check.

 

I guess my point is' date=' once Manny was traded, Ortiz should move on like everyone else did. Instead he was quoted as saying the FO need to bring in a Big bat to protect him. [/quote']Lots of us agree with him on that.

Is Bay chopped liver? Does he think he's incapable of offering protection for him?

In the current Red Sox lineup, Bay will probably not be backing up Ortiz, so management doesn't think that he is the guy.

[Ray10]

His exact quote was "I think we need a few guys in the bullpen and a 30-home run guy and we'll be all set."

 

He doesn't say anything about not thinking Jason Bay is capable of protecting him.

 

 

Yeah but Bay is that 30 homerun guy that they need he showed what he can do in the short time he was here last season and then what he did in the playoffs was just as good. So I think we have our 30 homerun guy and as for the bullpen only time will tell if guys like Saito, Penny and Smoltz pay off.

[Mr Crunchy]

Shouldve put Drew in the package with Manny.

 

I wish he'd quit,throw someone down a flight of stairs or simply move without telling anyone.

laid up pretty much since last july with this ""lingering back"" issue its evident that he hasnt healed yet and will again be a f***ing albatross on our roster.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1152473&srvc=sports&position=0

shocking

i mean who wouldve thought this possible.

 

 

It’s still pretty stiff,” said Drew. “I’ve fought it all offseason. It’s been one of them injuries that have kind of lingered. I’ve been able to hit and run and do all kinds of stuff, but some days I wake up stiff and some days it doesn’t seem to be too bad. It’s just in the maintenance stages.”

 

Drew worked with strength-and-conditioning coach Dave Page during the offseason to keep the back strong, but Drew is still not 100-percent healthy. He underwent an MRI, which revealed the only issue is the herniated disk.

 

“As long as you can keep that from being too inflamed, I guess you can keep the back in playing shape,” Drew said. “Man, I’m hopeful (that it won’t sideline him). You can only do so much. You go in the weight room and try to continue to keep it strong and as long as you don’t get that major flare-up, you’ll be fine. But you never know - with the back, anything can happen.

 

But a balky back isn’t Drew’s only concern. He’s mentioned to team officials that his left (glove) wrist is bothering him and at times, he experiences difficulty flexing or closing his glove.

 

Is his wrist clicking too?

[BSN07]

It was an honest response to a very direct question. Somehow' date=' you think that he was duty bound to not answer the question?[/quote']

No he's not duty bound. But his answer should have been, " Ya it's too bad Manny is gone, he is a good friend. But he's gone now and we need to move forward. I look forward to seeing what this team can accomplish."

 

 

I am sure lots of other players were wondering what might have been if Manny hadn't run himself out of town. Bay knows he is not Manny. The last thing he needs is for the fans to expect him to replace Manny, because he is solidly below Manny's level. I would doubt that he took great offense at hearing that one of the greatest all-time RH hitters might have made the difference. If he did, well then, he needs a serious reality check.

I'm sorry, but is Bay chopped liver? I mean yes he is no Manny, but he's is on of the best LF in the league. Who else does Ortiz expect them to get to replace Manny? He should feel lucky they got the caliber player they did.

 

Lots of us agree with him on that. In the current Red Sox lineup, Bay will probably not be backing up Ortiz, so management doesn't think that he is the guy.

Yes I thought the Sox needed a bat too. They tried it didn't pan out. Moving on.

 

And yes we all know that Tito is never stubborn when constructing the lineup.

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Ortiz will benifit from having Bay protecting him

Bay Currently biggest Power threat on the team(typical clean-up hitter)

Drew will greatly benefit from having Youkilis protecting him

Youkilis

Lowell Will have less stress about producing from this spot. Still not a bad #7 though

Tek

Lowrie Provides nice OBP and speed at the bottom of the lineup.

 

 

But that's just how I see it. If Ellsbury doesn't pan out in the leadoff spot, put Pedroia there, and either Drew or Youkilis in the 2nd spot.

[a700hitter]

No he's not duty bound. But his answer should have been' date=' " Ya it's too bad Manny is gone, he is a good friend. But he's gone now and we need to move forward. I look forward to seeing what this team can accomplish."[/quote']The season had just ended, so what was there to look forward to? The team in April was not going to be the same as it was in October. This question was asked right after being eliminated. They asked him his opinion if Manny could have made the difference. His choices were Yes or No. The third choice is "I don't know" which is a weasel way out, and Ortiz isn't a weasel in interviews. Answering "no" would have been a lie in his mind, so he gave the answer that he believed to be true. This was not a criticism of the trade or Bay. Ortiz joined his mates in telling management that Manny had to go. That being said, any team is better than Manny, so where is the big faus pax. This was not a slam at Bay. Bay is a humble guy, and he knows that he is not Manny. The Red Sox only needed a key hit or two to advance to the WS. Ortiz knows that Manny could have provided those hits. I see nothing wrong with his statement. I don't understand why unspoken meanings or emotions are being ascribed to his statement. Could Mnany have made the difference? The honest answer is obvious whether you love or hate Manny.

[TheKilo]

Shouldve put Drew in the package with Manny.

 

I wish he'd quit,throw someone down a flight of stairs or simply move without telling anyone.

laid up pretty much since last july with this ""lingering back"" issue its evident that he hasnt healed yet and will again be a f***ing albatross on our roster.

 

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1152473&srvc=sports&position=0

shocking

i mean who wouldve thought this possible.

 

 

It’s still pretty stiff,” said Drew. “I’ve fought it all offseason. It’s been one of them injuries that have kind of lingered. I’ve been able to hit and run and do all kinds of stuff, but some days I wake up stiff and some days it doesn’t seem to be too bad. It’s just in the maintenance stages.”

 

Drew worked with strength-and-conditioning coach Dave Page during the offseason to keep the back strong, but Drew is still not 100-percent healthy. He underwent an MRI, which revealed the only issue is the herniated disk.

 

“As long as you can keep that from being too inflamed, I guess you can keep the back in playing shape,” Drew said. “Man, I’m hopeful (that it won’t sideline him). You can only do so much. You go in the weight room and try to continue to keep it strong and as long as you don’t get that major flare-up, you’ll be fine. But you never know - with the back, anything can happen.

 

But a balky back isn’t Drew’s only concern. He’s mentioned to team officials that his left (glove) wrist is bothering him and at times, he experiences difficulty flexing or closing his glove.

 

Is his wrist clicking too?

 

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

 

Where was the outrage when Manny quit on this team in 2006 and sat out a month in 2007?

 

Give me a f***ing break...if you s*** in Drew, be consistent and s*** on Manny, too.

[WhiskeyBreath]

No he's not duty bound. But his answer should have been, " Ya it's too bad Manny is gone, he is a good friend. But he's gone now and we need to move forward. I look forward to seeing what this team can accomplish."

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but is Bay chopped liver? I mean yes he is no Manny, but he's is on of the best LF in the league. Who else does Ortiz expect them to get to replace Manny? He should feel lucky they got the caliber player they did.

 

 

Yes I thought the Sox needed a bat too. They tried it didn't pan out. Moving on.

 

And yes we all know that Tito is never stubborn when constructing the lineup.

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Ortiz will benifit from having Bay protecting him

Bay Currently biggest Power threat on the team(typical clean-up hitter)

Drew will greatly benefit from having Youkilis protecting him

Youkilis

Lowell Will have less stress about producing from this spot. Still not a bad #7 though

Tek

Lowrie Provides nice OBP and speed at the bottom of the lineup.

 

 

But that's just how I see it. If Ellsbury doesn't pan out in the leadoff spot, put Pedroia there, and either Drew or Youkilis in the 2nd spot.

 

I don't think Bay will be in the 4 spot.

[Mr Crunchy]

Youre not comparing Manny and Drew are you?

Youre far to bright to compare the dainty drew with the manram.

 

1 guy is a 1st ballot hofamer and the best right handed hitter arguably in history.

the other

well the other is the poster ""person"" for playtex products,specializing in douchebags.

 

HOW CAN THIS f***ING GUY NOT BE HEALTHY AGAIN?...Same injury that he had after his tremendous june still aint healed??

f*** HIM

has drew ever played as many games as manny during a season??

 

We need JD Drews offense this year now that manny is out of the lineup and once again we cant count on him and this kilo,drives me f***ing beserk.

[TheKilo]

Have you ever actually had a herniated disk?

 

I'm not comparing Manny to Drew as players. You said the Sox should have put him in the Manny deal, which is a completely asinine statement.

 

Has Drew ever caused as much clubhouse drama as Manny did? i think you and I both know the answer.

 

All I ask is you be consistent - something you obviously cannot do.

[Keeper]

One crucial thing you left out, Crunchy. There was nothing physically wrong with Manny.

 

Drew's injuries are frustrating, yes. But they're legit.

[rician blast]

Legit injury or not, I'm with Crunchy. Some of us have been saying for...oh, since they time they announced his sighning, that his injury histiry was of major concern.

 

Seems last year some posters here took issue when we called him the "f" word....fra....fragi....ok, I'll say it...FRAGILE.

 

Here's the deal...for those of us who root for the name on the front of the uni, Drew's propensity to be out of the line-up...be it a back, shoulder, wrist or vaginal issue...are frustrated. Given this most recent news, I find myself thinking:

 

hmmm...Bobby Abreu woulda been nice for at least a 1-year trial, no?

[Mr Crunchy]

I do believe the sox f***ed up pretty badly by not persuing bobby abreau as well.

anaheim got him for 5m/1YR?

this guy is a jd drew type who plays 145 games a year,steals 20 bags,has an obp of .400 with some power..he maybe a walking disaster in right field but whoever is subbing for drew will also be a newcomer to fenways right field too..

I never liked Abreau at 19M per year but a 1 yr deal at 5M per shouldve been done easily

Plus hes been an east coast guy his entire career and involved in several pennant races, the fact that the front office didnt even sniff at him makes me nuts.