Manny admits he quit on the Sox

Keeper · February 27, 2009

Agreed. It's annoying as f*** that he's holding out for a better deal when everybody knows he was dogging it in Boston. Manny being Manny got old a long time ago. I'm tired of his antics and his ********. No amount of money will ever buy this man any class.

YazsTripleCrown · February 27, 2009

Looks like frank and Ned have had their fill of Boras and Manny. If he signs anywhere it's going to be for less than the Dodgers offered.

See Red · February 27, 2009

You knoow what I would love?

The Dodgers to come out and say that they are out of the Manny sweepstakes. Where is he going to go then?

Giants? Don't have the money.
Yankees? Pretty much tapped out.
Cubs? No way, with new ownership coming in.
Red Sox? Funny.

The truth is, Manny has no other choices. As good as he is, what he did in Boston was despicable. Is he worth the money he's asking for? Relative to his peers, no way in hell.

Let Manny come back for one year at 15 million or less, or be gone. It would be nice to see Boras and Manny get taken down a peg. Boras can get a good value on a player who is a top-tier player...but who can't? He's had his pants handed to him for the most part recently. Manny is just an ass.

Yankees couldn't sign him even if they wanted to. They've already signed the maximum allowed amount of Type A and B free agents -- 3.

rician blast · February 27, 2009

So now he's turned down $45m for 2 yrs. Wonder if he and Boras countered or if they flat out said no. This is playing out pretty funny.

Cocos Disciples · February 27, 2009

Yankees couldn't sign him even if they wanted to. They've already signed the maximum allowed amount of Type A and B free agents -- 3.

I heard this too, but the Giants got 5 A/Bs (RJ, Renteria, Affeldt, Uribe, Howry).

YazsTripleCrown · February 27, 2009

It's not Manny or Boras. It's Frank being cheap.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez-dodgers27-2009feb27,0,2453699.story

TheKilo · February 27, 2009

Yankees couldn't sign him even if they wanted to. They've already signed the maximum allowed amount of Type A and B free agents -- 3.

That rumor was disproven.

BoSox21 · February 27, 2009

It's not Manny or Boras. It's Frank being cheap.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-manny-ramirez-dodgers27-2009feb27,0,2453699.story

$45 million dollars for a guy who doesn't have any other offers, that's being cheap?

YazsTripleCrown · February 27, 2009

When you pay him 10 mil this year, 10 mil in 2010 and the next 25 mil over three years if he stays. No interest, that's cheap. If your employer tried that. Would you want to work for him?

Dipre · February 27, 2009

When you pay him 10 mil this year' date=' 10 mil in 2010 and the next 25 mil over three years if he stays. No interest, that's cheap. If your employer tried that. Would you want to work for him?[/quote']

So you suggest the Dodgers bid against themselves, seeing that there are no other suitors for Manny's services?

BoSox21 · February 27, 2009

When you pay him 10 mil this year' date=' 10 mil in 2010 and the next 25 mil over three years if he stays. No interest, that's cheap. If your employer tried that. Would you want to work for him?[/quote']

If they're the only place that's shown any interest in me, I guess I'd have to

Mr Crunchy · February 27, 2009

He may sit out this year, wouldnt that be a kick in the balls and a blow to the ego maniac that is scott borass??..

Manny has 150M, think he really gives a f***?

He blew it and if it hasnt dawned on him what he already lost it never will.

Heres a guy who is the best right handed hitter any of us have ever seen, a guy who delivered 2 world series to boston,a guy who made Cleveland a baseball town again and a guy who is universally despised for his antics that have nothing to do with baseball and everything to do with what is wrong with todays athletes...The poster boy for bad behavior as lil JFK would say.

Why did he do this?

For an extra 10M dollars??

Gotta be deeper than that you'd think.

you would hate to think that this guy would blow his reputation and alienate all of his fans for what amounts to be beer money...

but its looking like thats exactly whats going down here..

meanwhile garrett anderson signed for 2.5M and Bobby Abreau, a player who has 100rbi and 100 runs a year every year is playing for 6M..

Both wouldve looked nice in fenway this summer.

italstallianion · February 27, 2009

I heard this too' date=' but the Giants got 5 A/Bs (RJ, Renteria, Affeldt, Uribe, Howry).[/quote']

That's because many weren't offered arbitration. I'm not sure, but I don't believe that Randy Johnson, Edgar Renteria, or Bob Howry were offered arbitration, essentially nullifying their type A/B status. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure that Affeldt was offered arbitration either. Therefore, their signings with the new team carry no weight in determining future signings.

YazsTripleCrown · February 27, 2009

So you suggest the Dodgers bid against themselves' date=' seeing that there are no other suitors for Manny's services?[/quote']

They have not raised their total dollar amount from the first offer so they have not bid against themselves. They guessed right on his market but dropped the ball with deferring the money. If they would have paid him the 25 mil this year and 20 mil next season he would have signed. Frank and Ned tried to string the money out a total of 5 years for a 2 year contract.

TheKilo · February 27, 2009

Garrett Anderson is toast and Bobby Abreu wouldn't sign if he was going to be the 4th OF.

Cocos Disciples · February 27, 2009

That's because many weren't offered arbitration. I'm not sure' date=' but I don't believe that Randy Johnson, Edgar Renteria, or Bob Howry were offered arbitration, essentially nullifying their type A/B status. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure that Affeldt was offered arbitration either. Therefore, their signings with the new team carry no weight in determining future signings.[/quote']

Either way, as Kilo said, the rumor was disproven. I think Cashman said the limit is 8.

rician blast · February 27, 2009

You know Hank still has a hard-on for Manny.

Gom · February 27, 2009

That's because many weren't offered arbitration. I'm not sure' date=' but I don't believe that Randy Johnson, Edgar Renteria, or Bob Howry were offered arbitration, essentially nullifying their type A/B status. Now that I think about it, I'm not even sure that Affeldt was offered arbitration either. Therefore, their signings with the new team carry no weight in determining future signings.[/quote']

You live in England. HAH!

I OWN YOU!!!

Seriously, here is the list of players offered arbitration. It seems you are correct in saying that a lot of those players were not offered arbitration.

Type A (15 players)
A.J. Burnett
Orlando Cabrera
Juan Cruz
Brian Fuentes
Orlando Hudson
Raul Ibanez
Derek Lowe
Darren Oliver
Oliver Perez
Manny Ramirez
Francisco Rodriguez
C.C. Sabathia
Ben Sheets
Mark Teixeira
Jason Varitek

Type B (9 players)
Casey Blake
Milton Bradley
Paul Byrd
Jon Garland
Mark Grudzielanek
Brandon Lyon
Dennys Reyes
Brian Shouse
David Weathers

Dipre · February 28, 2009

They have not raised their total dollar amount from the first offer so they have not bid against themselves. They guessed right on his market but dropped the ball with deferring the money. If they would have paid him the 25 mil this year and 20 mil next season he would have signed. Frank and Ned tried to string the money out a total of 5 years for a 2 year contract.

Sources: Boras asked Dodgers to increase offer to $55 million

By Tony Jackson on February 27, 2009

http://www.insidesocal.com/dodgers/2009/02/source-boras-as.html

The deferred money doesn't seem to be the issue as much as Boras's eagerness to create a one-team bidding war for Manny's services.

See Red · February 28, 2009

That rumor was disproven.

I got it from the Yankees website.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090129&content_id=3784888&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

All three were Type A free agents who played for other teams last season aside from the Yankees. The Yankees could re-sign their own Type A or Type B free agents without it affecting the quota.

Under the rules, "if there are from 39 to 62 [Type A and B] players [during a given offseason], no team can sign more than three."

"Frankly, it's an unusual year to have that many ranked players," Rob Manfred, Major League Baseball's executive vice president of labor relations, told MLB.com this week.

Not arguing with you, you'd know better than I, just letting you where I got that from.

TheKilo · February 28, 2009

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090130&content_id=3785640&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp

Because of an exception granted, the Yankees -- or any other team -- can sign as many as eight Type A or Type B free agents this season, a top baseball official said on Friday.

See Red · February 28, 2009

Ahhh, gotcha. Thanks!

BoSox21 · March 2, 2009

Dodgers owner Frank McCourt on the Manny negotiations

"It's fair to say that I'm a little frustrated,'' McCourt said. "The reason we wanted to have this wrapped up by Friday was because we wanted to celebrate the opening of Camelback Ranch and be talking about Manny as a Dodger, instead of talking about Camelback Ranch and the Manny Ramirez negotiations.

"Today is a day to say welcome to Dodger and White Sox fans, and that's why it bothers me. The distraction it causes is just unfair.''

lol

YazsTripleCrown · March 3, 2009

http://i44.tinypic.com/34nnodj.jpg

Dojji · March 3, 2009

lol brilliant.

jacksonianmarch · March 3, 2009

You know Hank still has a hard-on for Manny.

in order to get him, we'd need to shed two players and in this economy, shedding 20 mil in salary to acquire a guy we'd pay 20 mil just wont happen

YazsTripleCrown · March 3, 2009

http://i39.tinypic.com/2d4z8h.jpg

example1 · March 4, 2009

People still upset that 'all we got' for Manny was Jason Bay?

I think I remember meeting "Jacoby Ellsbury" that night as he ranted about how impossible Manny would be to replace. :lol: He wasn't going to come back, so it was either get Jason Bay and lose Manny, or just lose Manny.

I hope the Dodgers just say "f*** it! Manny, thanks, but no thanks. You were a douche in Boston, and you're being a douche now. We thought you changed your attitude when you left Boston, but you haven't. Enjoy having the season off."

Get some pride Dodgers. He isn't worth selling your soul for.

TheKilo · March 4, 2009

People still upset that 'all we got' for Manny was Jason Bay?

I think I remember meeting "Jacoby Ellsbury" that night as he ranted about how impossible Manny would be to replace. He wasn't going to come back, so it was either get Jason Bay and lose Manny, or just lose Manny.

I hope the Dodgers just say "f*** it! Manny, thanks, but no thanks. You were a douche in Boston, and you're being a douche now. We thought you changed your attitude when you left Boston, but you haven't. Enjoy having the season off."

Get some pride Dodgers. He isn't worth selling your soul for.

22 mins later....

http://www.talksox.com/forum/general-baseball-forum/12019-manny-signs-dodgers.html#post386062

example1 · March 4, 2009

22 mins later....

http://www.talksox.com/forum/general-baseball-forum/12019-manny-signs-dodgers.html#post386062

I'm paid by Boras, and I write on behalf of Manny.

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