Damage control....How can the Sox move foward this offseason?

[SCM33]

I posted some of these ideas in another thread.

 

Trade for Peavy....without giving up Bucholz

Sign Dlowe, groundball pitcher might equalize the Yankees lineup.

 

Rotation:

Beckett

Lester

Peavy

DiceK

Lowe

 

Bullpen

Delcarmen

Ramirez

Bucholz

Masterson

Okijima

Papelbon

 

Swingman

Wakefield

 

Offer Ivan Rodriguez a 1 year deal, how much worse than Tek can he be? If not Irod, Johjima.

Trade for one of Texas catchers (might be hard if they deal for Peavy w/o giving up Masterson or Bucholz)

Sign Rocco Baldelli

Get another bat off the bench...a corner LHH OF/1B type....Wilkerson/Floyd

Sign Jason Bay long term now.

 

C-I-Rod or Johjima/and Kotarras/Tex catcher as your 2 catchers, take your pick

1B-Youkils

2B-Pedroia

SS-Lugo, I just dont see them making a deal//Jed Lowrie

3B-Lowell

LF-Bay

CF-Ellsbury

RF-Drew

DH-Papi

 

Bench:

Lowrie

Baldelli

Wilkerson/Floyd

Backup catcher

 

Cora walks, byebye Javier Lopez.

 

The lineup cannot deal with Teks bat now that we were not able to deal with TEX, he cannot be brought back.

 

The Sox start moving foward with life without Tim Wakefield,

[Cocos Disciples]

Sorry, but how is this different than this thread?

[SCM33]

Sorry' date=' but how is this different than this thread?

 

Alot of the posts in that thread were kind of poking fun at the FO for the remainder of the offseason. I thought it was kind of going off track. I thought a thread which is a fresh start moving forward in the aftermath of the deal would be a good idea. If not, merge.

[redsoxrules]

we're not getting peavy without leting buchholz go

Dlowe is not comming here ,the Sox wont pay what he wants

and the rest you mentioned is garbage

 

any other suggestion?

[SCM33]

Peavy may not require him, but to make two trades...for a TEX catcher AND PEavy w/o giving him up may be out of the question.

I dont think the door is closed on Lowe, lets see how the market goes.

 

What else is garbage? signing 2 bats for the bench, one of which is a hometown guy, another one who fits the mold of a typical redsox versatile player? Signing a catcher who might put up better numbers than Varitek for less money, and possibly less of a commitment?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Ben Sheets

[redsoxrules]

Enough with the D lowe option

you seriously think the Sox will give him 15Mil a year for 4 years? f*** NO

[SCM33]

Enough with the D lowe option

you seriously think the Sox will give him 15Mil a year for 4 years? f*** NO

 

Thats why I say lets see where the market goes. I think he ha a ton left. He always gets to 200 IP, hes never hurt, he spent the first half his career as a reliever, so I think he has a lot of bullets left, and on a good team he gets you 15 wins, not bad if we consdier him a 5th man.

[TheKilo]

I don't want to trade for Peavy.

 

I posted some ideas in another thread:

 

Bowden to TEX for Saltalamacchia

Resign Tek for 2/12

Lugo+ to DET for Willis and Marcus Thames

Sign Smoltz to a one year, incentive laden deal (worth maybe $10 million)

 

Pray Ortiz and Lowell are healthy.

[SCM33]

I don't want to trade for Peavy.

 

I posted some ideas in another thread:

 

Bowden to TEX for Saltalamacchia

Resign Tek for 2/12

Lugo+ to DET for Willis and Marcus Thames

Sign Smoltz to a one year, incentive laden deal (worth maybe $10 million)

 

Pray Ortiz and Lowell are healthy.

 

I think Willis is staying in DET...I think that was squashed earlier in the offseason.

 

Is Smoltz a bullpen option, or 5 starter in your suggestion we sign him?

[TheKilo]

I think Willis is staying in DET...I think that was squashed earlier in the offseason.

 

Is Smoltz a bullpen option, or 5 starter in your suggestion we sign him?

 

Smoltz would be a #5.

[SCM33]

Smoltz would be a #5.

 

Are you also a fan of a Sheets signing rather than a trade for Peavy?

 

Beckett

Lester

Sheets

DiceK

Smoltz

 

Not bad.

[TheKilo]

No, I am not a fan of committing $15 million AAV to Sheets, even if it is just a two year deal.

[SCM33]

Youd rather see:

 

Beckett

Lester

DiceK

Willis

Smoltz

 

I think thats 2 major question marks, and if Beckett doesnt have a huge season they will be in trouble.

[TheKilo]

Youd rather see:

 

Beckett

Lester

DiceK

Willis

Smoltz

 

I think thats 2 major question marks, and if Beckett doesnt have a huge season they will be in trouble.

 

No.

 

Willis would be sent to AAA as a reclamation project - he was willing to be sent down last season and should do so this season.

 

Beckett

Lester

DiceK

Wake

Smoltz

 

With Willis, Bowden, Buchholz waiting in the wings (unless Bowden/Buchholz is traded for a C).

[jacksonianmarch]

all I gotta say is that the sox off season plans have taken a major blow. Now, it is up to Papi's wrist to heal and for a scary #4 hitter to emerge behind him. It is also now up to the sox rotation to get by on last yrs holdovers rather than a new, flame throwing pitcher. The sox two highest priority objects are in pinstripes.

 

In terms of what they are gonna do. Hmm, well they are kinda f***ed. The C market is pathetic. Kottaras may get a shot, and why the hell not. He is a better hitter than Vtek right now. Maybe you sign Vtek and then let him know that he signed on part time. In terms of the rest of the offense, Lowell and Papi now get no help and need to return to form, or the sox are stuck. AND, now they get to deal with a pissed off Lowell who took less yrs and money to stay in Boston and was one day away from packing his things. I see the sox kicking the tires on Sheets, but someone will be willing to go to 3 yrs with him and I dont think that will be the sox. I could see them in on Smoltz too, but a 41 yr old guy coming off reconstructive shoulder surgery is not the best option. Especially since he has never played in the AL. Lowe looks to be signing with the Mets right now. And after that, you get the Oliver Perez's, Randy Wolf's, and Paul Byrd's of the league. Slim pickings and they will all be pricey.

 

That being said, the sox will be a good team next yr. But I could see them taking the 2008 yankees path. Build from within, hope an older, injured team can return to form and see if the holes can be filled internally. Only in the sox case, I still see them in the playoffs ( I expect a Ray hangover this yr).

[diony]

Forget the trading for a Texas catcher. They're going into the season with Salty and Teagarden as their catchers. And the hell, why not.

[rician blast]

But I could see them taking the 2008 yankees path. Build from within' date=' hope an older, injured team can return to form and see if the holes can be filled internally. [/quote']

 

The Yankees were building from within in 2008?

 

I hadn't noticed...I kinda thought they were just biding their time til payroll dropped so that they could then attack the free agent market and go into 2009 with the 4 highest paid players in all of MLB on their roster.

 

Silly me.

[Dipre]

Forget the trading for a Texas catcher. They're going into the season with Salty and Teagarden as their catchers. And the hell' date=' why not.[/quote']

 

Are you a member of the Texas FO?

 

If so, you should grant us some more of this awesome insider information.

[Dojji]

I'm not convinced there's a lot of damage to control. The Yankees are signing these players because they needed to replace at those positions.

 

Just like my argument before the signing, you really do have to look at not just who's coming in but who's leaving to make room.

 

Teixeira, Sabbathia and Burnett are there to replace the losses of Pettitte, Mussina and Giambi. Bear that in mind. And Giambi hit 30+ HR's and Mussina won 20 games, and Pettitte at least threw 200 IP so these outgoing players are not weaklings or schlubs.

 

They do make some marginal gains at each position, don't get me wrong about that, but those gains aren't as big as they appear at first glance just from looking at the awesome that is CC and Tex.

 

The Yankees came in third of the three competitive AL East teams this year and so they paid a lot of money to improve and managed to do so. I don't think there's a lot to see here other than that. If our pitching goes the way it's supposed to I see no reason why the Yankees wouldn't still be looking up at us this season.

[Dipre]

I'm not convinced there's a lot of damage to control. The Yankees are signing these players because they needed to replace at those positions.

 

Just like my argument before the signing, you really do have to look at not just who's coming in but who's leaving to make room.

 

Teixeira, Sabbathia and Burnett are there to replace the losses of Pettitte, Mussina and Giambi. Bear that in mind. And Giambi hit 30+ HR's and Mussina won 20 games, and Pettitte at least threw 200 IP so these outgoing players are not weaklings or schlubs.

 

They do make some marginal gains at each position, don't get me wrong about that, but those gains aren't as big as they appear at first glance just from looking at the awesome that is CC and Tex.

 

The Yankees came in third of the three competitive AL East teams this year and so they paid a lot of money to improve and managed to do so. I don't think there's a lot to see here other than that. If our pitching goes the way it's supposed to I see no reason why the Yankees wouldn't still be looking up at us this season.

 

Yes, but you also have to see the possible bouncebacks of underperformers and injured players, (ie: Matsui, Wang, Cano), if those players return to regular production, AND the acquisitions pan out, next season is going to be a struggle.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees were building from within in 2008?

 

I hadn't noticed...I kinda thought they were just biding their time til payroll dropped so that they could then attack the free agent market and go into 2009 with the 4 highest paid players in all of MLB on their roster.

 

Silly me.

 

they were doing a little of that too. But starting the yr with 2 rookie SPs, a rookie setup man, a 3rd yr CFer and 2B, another rookie CF as well as a slew of rookie relievers kinda points in the other direction. It worked in some spots (relief and 2B) and it failed in others (SP and CF).

[Dojji]

Yes' date=' but you also have to see the possible bouncebacks of underperformers and injured players, (ie: Matsui, Wang, Cano), if those players return to regular production, AND the acquisitions pan out, next season is going to be a struggle.[/quote']

 

The only one that really scares me there is Wang. Cano could bounce back and that would be dangerous, but it would just be one more hitter in a lineup of them. His bounceback runs into diminishing returns in the "scary factor."

 

You also need to factor in the continued decline of Posada and Jeter, the loss of Abreu, and the weakness of their defense in the outfield.

 

Would be ironic if now was the time Rivera finally decided to wear down.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes' date=' but you also have to see the possible bouncebacks of underperformers and injured players, (ie: Matsui, Wang, Cano), if those players return to regular production, AND the acquisitions pan out, next season is going to be a struggle.[/quote']

 

agreed. If Posada cannot catch and Matsui is on the DL more than on the field, then this team's offense should be right around where the sox are. But if Posada catches and puts up his standard .850OPS season and if Matsui plays 120-140 games and put up his standard .880OPS, then this team is gonna f***ing dominate offensively. And if you consider the likelihood that Cano returns to a .300 hitter and Swisher back to a .250 hitter, then this lineup will rake from all ends.

[MNSoxChief102]

I wouldn't be opposed to signing Smoltz to an incentive laden contract for a season. He would give us a quality 5th starter/spot bullpen relief and would probably enjoy having a legit shot at pitching deep into the postseason once again.

 

As for Willis, if we could somehow convince the Tiggers to take on Lugo's contract, I would be happy to make that deal. We free up the starter spot for Lowrie, get rid of a terrible player, and gain a pitcher with a lot of upside if he can successfully return from his injuries/slump.

 

I also wouldn't mind seeing us bring in Baldelli, Abreu, or another solid bat to play the OF, as we all know Drew is going to get hurt sooner or later.

[redsoxrules]

The sox are not getting Abreu , there's no room for him full time ,unless they move JD to center field

[MNSoxChief102]

I suspect that we'll see Lars Anderson coming up sooner rather than later if the Sox stand pat with the lineup they have right now. He'd give us an impact bat off the bench plus a 1st base guy that will let us spell Mikey Lowell from time to time, which is something he'll need coming off of a major surgery.

[MNSoxChief102]

The sox are not getting Abreu ' date=' there's no room for him full time ,unless they move JD to center field[/quote']

 

He's going to find out that unless he wants to play for the Royals or some other s*** team, he's not going to get a starting gig. There's just too many corner outfielders on the market right now.

 

But I hear what your saying, and I think he'll probably sign somewhere else. It would be nice to have him in our lineup though.

[BoSox21]

I suspect that we'll see Lars Anderson coming up sooner rather than later if the Sox stand pat with the lineup they have right now. He'd give us an impact bat off the bench plus a 1st base guy that will let us spell Mikey Lowell from time to time' date=' which is something he'll need coming off of a major surgery.[/quote']

 

Jeff Bailey is good enough that they won't need to rush up Anderson IMHO

[soxfan17881]

Lowe is now talking to the Mets, or so I hear. I agree that the Sox probably won't go as high as he wants, anyway.

 

Pudge Rodriguez is pointless. If we're going to go with an aging catcher, my vote goes with Tek. Signing Rocco Baldelli is the last thing they should do. His mysterious "re-diagnosis" is just a little too timely to be blindly believed.