Damage control....How can the Sox move foward this offseason?

[jacksonianmarch]

Not happening.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%, he couldn't play defense if his mother's life depended on it.

 

 

 

Indeed, he is a douchebag and should be treated accordingly.

 

Damn right and proud. I aint movin

[Dipre]

You're a good sport.

 

I like you.

 

If only you could stop the Yankee Fellatio Effect, i'd accept your opinions.

[example1]

They are being criticized because they had a significant drop in payroll and had obvious needs that were being filled on the cheap. Regardless. I have a question for you. If the sox had Burnett over Penny and had Teixeira in their lineup, would they be a much improved team. A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

Yes, but the point I make time and time again is that the only team that doesn't give two shits about how much money they spend, the only team whose FANS don't give two shits about money, are the Yankees. Fans here can disagree about whether that is valid or not, but the Mets care about it, the Angels care about it, the White Sox care about it, the Cubs care about it, the Dodgers care about it, the Tigers care about it, the Guardians care about it, the Mariners care about it, the A's care about it... I could go on.

 

Many of those teams manage to compete, with teams like the Mets and the Angels competing year after year. The Sox happen to be in the same division as the Yankees, so it is tougher but it doesn't mean they have to suddenly become stupid.

 

I don't think the Sox are poor, but a poorly spent dollar is a poorly spent dollar. I am glad this team didn't make AJ Burnett the highest paid player on the team--it isn't 'crying poverty' it's just not being willing to spend a stupid dollar. Other people may disagree. I don't think he's worth that to anyone.

 

Of active pitchers (over 1000 IP), the following starters have a better career ERA+ than Burnett (there are a few retirees included):

 

Pedro

Santana

Webb

Oswalt

RJ

Halladay

Zambrano

Schilling

Smoltz

Hudson

Buehrle

Lowe

Peavy

Sabathia

Wood

Lackey

Pettitte

Beckett

Sheets

Zito

Carpenter

Colon

Escobar

 

The following active pitchers (over 1000IP) have a better WHIP:

 

Pedro

Santana

Schilling

Maddux

RJ

Smoltz

Peavy

Mussina

Oswalt

Sheets

Halladay

Beckett

Webb

Sabathia

Wood

Hudson

O. Hernandez

Vazquez

Lowe

Buehrle

Lieber

 

The following active pitchers have a better K/BB ratio than Burnett:

Schilling

Pedro

Sheets

Santana

Lieber

Oswalt

Mussina

Maddux

Vazquez

RJ

Peavy

Halladay

Beckett

Smoltz

Harang

Lackey

Sabathia

Millwood

Muehrle

Carpenter

Milton

Webb

Wood

Weaver

Myers

Morris

Perez

Pettitte

O. Perez

Pettitte

Byrd

Lowe

Lilly

Pavano

Loaiza

Silva

Colon

Garcia

O. Hernandez

Arroyo

 

Should I go on? Burnett is the 6th highest paid pitcher in baseball. D-Lowe would make this team better too, but I don't see people freaking out because they likely aren't going to get him. The Yankees are doing everything they can to make themselves better. They should. They've spent, what, something close to a BILLION dollars to win a WS this decade and they have ZERO.

 

When you had the opportunity to lock up one or both while LOWERING your overall payroll, you do it. The fact is, the sox will make just as much if not more in terms of revenue and now they are banking the 50 mil they are saving by not signing anyone of value. Does that make you feel good inside?

 

I honestly don't care. This isn't a non-profit agency, it's a business. Frankly, I think this team will compete and will be fun to watch. I think Burnett is an injury waiting to happen and I don't think he's more valuable than Beckett, or Dice-K or Lester.

 

I say we go round and round on this until Spring Training. Eventually I will bow down and admire you Jacksonian, because not only are you an amazing person, but your team, which reflects directly on you as a person and as an intellect, is amazing. When the Yankees win I will feel inferior not only to their gigantic team, but to you.

 

I can just feel your ego grow with each of these purchases, as if you had anything to do with it.

[example1]

Honestly, I only started hearing the "we need a big-time SP" claim after the Sox didn't get Teixeira and I think it is kind of disingenuous. If it wasn't a significant weakness in the team two weeks ago, it isn't a significant weakness now... at least not one that should cost 1/10th of the team's payroll or a significant expendature in young prospects.

[a700hitter]

Honestly' date=' I only started hearing the "we need a big-time SP" claim after the Sox didn't get Teixeira and I think it is kind of disingenuous. If it wasn't a significant weakness in the team two weeks ago, it isn't a significant weakness now... at least not one that should cost 1/10th of the team's payroll or a significant expendature in young prospects.[/quote']From the beginning I would have preferred that the Sox improve their starting pitching instead of getting Teixeira, because pitching wins IMO. The FO had different priorities and they failed to achieve the number 1 priority.

[example1]

I think they failed to achieve their #1 priority in terms of acquisitions. I think they have shown, time and again, that their #1 priority is to not get bogged down with stupid contracts, not make reactionary moves to placate fans, and to have a majority of their team come from the farm rather than spending on a hodge-podge of overpaid players from FA.

 

Given that you thought pitching would improve them more than getting Teixeira, does that mean that you advocated them getting Sabathia, or that you think Lowe or Burnett adds more to a team than Teixeira? IMO, only Sabathia offered the type of run/win swing that a guy like Teixeira would.

[MANNYHOF24]

Not happening.

 

 

 

Agreed 100%, he couldn't play defense if his mother's life depended on it.

 

 

 

Indeed, he is a douchebag and should be treated accordingly.

 

Midly annyoying maybe, but Douchebag? Maybe you should take a look in the mirror, because you kind of rub off as a major *******.

[Dipre]

Don't rub off on me, sir, it's sexual harassment.

[Dojji]

Pah!

 

Anyway I agree with 700hitter. We lost in the playoffs because our starting pitching didn't stand up, both with the whole Beckett thing and with needing to use Wakefield in game 4 because of a lack of rotation depth. There's definitely ways one more big name starter could help us.

 

Personally though I'm holding out for that big starter to be named Michael Bowden.

[example1]

Strange, I thought we lost in the playoffs because Lester wasn't able to shut out the Rays in game 7, Kotsay wasn't able to come through in a big situation late in the game, and the Rays won that game. I mean, yeah, they lost 4 games total in the ALCS, but they got to game 7. They probably would have had a better chance if Beckett were healthier, but to say they lost because of Beckett seems extreme. They had a chance to win despite his underperfromance.

[redsoxrules]

IF beckett would of been healthy we win that series

[Dojji]

If we had ABW for the 4th game we win that series.

[corngordon]

By now, we should know that Theo and company don't just have a Plan B to replace Plan A (Tesheria). They have Plans B through H, at least. And Brad Penny figured in.

 

Now I'd like to know Plans A through C regarding who is going to start the majority of games at catcher. And what are the thoughts on who's going to catch Wakefield. I hope Tek is in there somewhere. But Boras is taking longer than usual to build "the market" for Tek. Oh brother.

[redsoxrules]

If we had ABW for the 4th game we win that series.

 

ABW?

[Dojji]

Anyone But Wakefield.

[MANNYHOF24]

Don't rub off on me' date=' sir, it's sexual harassment.[/quote']

 

Wait, was this suppose to be funny?

[TheKilo]

By now' date=' we should know that Theo and company don't just have a Plan B to replace Plan A [b'](Tesheria[/b]). They have Plans B through H, at least. And Brad Penny figured in.

 

Now I'd like to know Plans A through C regarding who is going to start the majority of games at catcher. And what are the thoughts on who's going to catch Wakefield. I hope Tek is in there somewhere. But Boras is taking longer than usual to build "the market" for Tek. Oh brother.

 

Are you kidding me, Mr. "Best Red Sox Podcast on the net"?

[corngordon]

Yes, Tesheria was supposed to be funny.

 

Now I'll be serious - Who is the next answer at catcher?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Midly annyoying maybe' date=' but Douchebag? Maybe you should take a look in the mirror, because you kind of rub off as a major *******.[/quote']

No, Dipre treats people according how their posts want them to be treated. Jack posts about the Yankees' new-found royalty and the Red Sox new-found futility, does so on a Red Sox forum, so Dipre treats him according to how he interprets it. He does the same to diony.

 

 

 

Oh, and I would kill someone if Adam Dunn ever put on a Sox uniform. He can't field for s***, he couldn't hit a beach ball, and as already said he strands a shitload of runners and we have nowhere to put him in the outfield. I'll pass.

[Cocos Disciples]

Adam Dunn couldn't hit a beach ball? l o l w u t . Career .899 OPS. No less than 40 HRs in a season since 2003.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Adam Dunn couldn't hit a beach ball? l o l w u t . Career .899 OPS. No less than 40 HRs in a season since 2003.

When he does manage to make contact with the beach ball, it goes a long way.

[naptownsoxfan]

Dunn can hit but he has a rep of SO or HR...the guy should not even own a glove.

 

Mute point though I really doubt Dunn has crossed Theo's mind

[Cocos Disciples]

Dunn can hit but he has a rep of SO or HR...the guy should not even own a glove.

 

Mute point though I really doubt Dunn has crossed Theo's mind

 

Moot. It's moot.

[Dipre]

Moot. It's moot.

 

That just made my day.

[Dipre]

Wait' date=' was this suppose to be funny?[/quote']

 

Supposed.

 

And yes it was.

 

A couple points to you:

 

A) I have never held an argument or grudge against anyone on this site, i just call them like i see them, if someone's a jerk, i treat them as such, i.e: diony, jacksonian, if i just find them funny, i just jab with them i.e: Gom.

 

B ) Never have i had a problem with you, so why you're trying to start s*** with me is beyond reason.

 

C) You should really substantiate claims such as "you rub off as an *******" with some sort of example so as to give the other person a chance to defend themselves accordingly, pulling comments like that just for the sake of starting a fight is never a good idea.

 

D) Good day to you, sir.

[naptownsoxfan]

Moot. It's moot.

 

Sorry I am soooooo sorry but hey thanks for the grammatical correction.

[naptownsoxfan]

That just made my day.

 

That really made your new years?

[Dipre]

That really made your new years?

 

Lol, my day, which has been reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally boring.

 

The food ain't even ready yet.

[naptownsoxfan]

Lol, my day, which been reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally boring.

 

The food ain't even ready yet.

 

my day has really sucked....sorry I am a little bitchy, best friend i work with got layed off

and economy issues got me down. Mute/Moot you guys get the point.

[Cocos Disciples]

It's one of those things that bothers me. Nothing personal.