Yankees to make huge offer to Burnett

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lol take him. Carl Pavano II.

I feel the same way.

[Cocos Disciples]

Which came first...the post or the facebook status?

 

Ahh the age old question.

 

Speaking of, way to not accept my request...<_>

[TheKilo]

Yikes, that's a huge contract.

 

THEO, MAKE TEIXEIRA SIGN NOW. NOW NOW NOW. THREATEN TO BEAT HIM UP IF HE DOESN'T

[Gom]

This move forces the Sox's hand, IMO.

 

How funny would it be if the Nationals sign Tex...and the best free agent option is....Manny?

 

LOL!

[jacksonianmarch]

If we get Cameron and then convince Andy to come back, we'll be set. A well rounded offense that has a tough out at all slot in the lineup. A pitching staff with 3 horses (Pettitte, CC, Wang) capable of handling 200+IP yr in an yr out as well as 3 pitchers with lights out power stuff capable of being the best in the game when on (CC, Burnett, Joba). They'd have the young guns in the minors ready to take the spot starts as well. Then the pen will have the best in the business closing, coming off possibly his best season with a significantly improved middle relief and setup corps with another group of young kids on the way. This team just went from pitching starved to pitching deep in a week. This team just went from #3 in the league to projected champions. If this team can stay healthy, there is no limit to the accomplishments that this team could achieve. Imagine a playoff series starting with CC, Burnett and Joba with Wang as the 4? Insane

[Gom]

If we get Cameron and then convince Andy to come back' date=' we'll be set. A well rounded offense that has a tough out at all slot in the lineup. A pitching staff with 3 horses (Pettitte, CC, Wang) capable of handling 200+IP yr in an yr out as well as 3 pitchers with lights out power stuff capable of being the best in the game when on (CC, Burnett, Joba). They'd have the young guns in the minors ready to take the spot starts as well. Then the pen will have the best in the business closing, coming off possibly his best season with a significantly improved middle relief and setup corps with another group of young kids on the way. This team just went from pitching starved to pitching deep in a week. This team just went from #3 in the league to projected champions. If this team can stay healthy, there is no limit to the accomplishments that this team could achieve. Imagine a playoff series starting with CC, Burnett and Joba with Wang as the 4? Insane[/quote']

 

See....this is why you're confused.

 

Think about this for one second, my dear Yankee friend. Pettitte will go for about 10 million. Cameron is another 10 million.

 

Now...this team is constructed to win in October. So...would you rather sign Pettitte and Cameron for 20 million, or Manny for 20?

 

Come playoff time, Pettitte won't pitch, and Cameron is a #8 hitter. Manny is...Manny.

 

Must I continually educate you?

[example1]

This move forces the Sox's hand, IMO.

 

How funny would it be if the Nationals sign Tex...and the best free agent option is....Manny?

 

LOL!

 

That would be funny, except that the Sox don't need a free agent.

 

See, what you seem to be missing is that the Sox aren't going after Teixeira because they need an offensive FA, or because they want to make a splash on the market. They are going after Teixeira because they think he would be an ideal fit for their team for the next 5-10 years and because he is currently available.

 

They wouldn't sign Manny because they have Jason Bay in LF. They also have JD Drew in RF, Youk at 1B and Lowell at 3B. Teixeira makes them considerably better, but if they don't get him they are the same team that came within a few runs of being in the WS last year. No Manny, no biggie.

[Gom]

That would be funny' date=' except that the Sox don't [i']need[/i] a free agent.

 

See, what you seem to be missing is that the Sox aren't going after Teixeira because they need an offensive FA, or because they want to make a splash on the market. They are going after Teixeira because they think he would be an ideal fit for their team for the next 5-10 years and because he is currently available.

 

They wouldn't sign Manny because they have Jason Bay in LF. They also have JD Drew in RF, Youk at 1B and Lowell at 3B. Teixeira makes them considerably better, but if they don't get him they are the same team that came within a few runs of being in the WS last year. No Manny, no biggie.

 

If you don't sign Tex, you run the risk of not making the playoffs. You've stayed the same. The Rays stayed the same. The Yankees are improving, and if healthy, are improved.

[Cocos Disciples]

The Yankees are improving' date=' and if healthy, are improved.[/quote']

 

The Yankees did not make up the wins they had last year.

 

Which is it?

[example1]

If you don't sign Tex' date=' you run the risk of not making the playoffs. You've stayed the same. The Rays stayed the same. The Yankees are improving, and if healthy, are improved.[/quote']

 

Teams always run the risk of not making the playoffs. That's why they play the games, right? The Yankees actually didn't make the playoffs last year, and it wasn't the end of the world. If the Sox don't make it it isn't the end of the world, but I'm pretty sure they will put themselves into a good position to make the playoffs.

 

The goal of any FO is to win the predicted number of games needed to make the playoffs. That might be 93 or 95 or whatever, but the goal is to win that many. I don't see anything about the Red Sox that makes me think they don't have a chance to do that this year too.

 

If they get Teixeira then their chances are better, but they aren't assured of it, just like they weren't assured of it last year or the year before, when they won the World Series.

[Gom]

I'll give you a few reasons. No Manny. Probable career year from Pedroia. Ortiz's injury and age.

 

Coco...the Yankees are improving, and if healthy, are improved. However, they haven't improved enough to catch the Red Sox.

[example1]

I dont know man...

 

I don't think Pedroia's year was "probably" a career year. Most players don't have their best season at 24.

 

Manny's VORP in BOS was worse than Bay's VORP in PIT (34.9 vs. 34.3), and Bay's combined 2008 VORP of 49.4 was better than Manny's 2007 VORP of 34.6. They are comparable players and Bay is in his prime. Giambi had a 29.8 VORP last year, Nick Swisher had a 3.4 VORP. If I were you I would be much more concerned with that drop off than any Sox fan should be with any drop between Manny and Bay.

 

Ortiz's injury was last year, not 2009. Perhaps he will continue to get worse, or maybe he will progress toward his average year, which would be a significant boost.

 

I think there is reason to think the Sox SPs will be better next year 1-5, as Buchholz or the #5 option probably won't be the worst pitcher in the league.

[Gom]

Why are you comparing 2007 Manny? Should I compare Posada's VORP of 2007?

 

Please clarify this point.

 

Many players have had career years at a young age. Do I think Pedroia is a scrub? Of course not. However, you guys expecting the same thing from Pedroia is like Yankee fans who expected 2007 Arod to be the norm.

[riverside sluggers]

Pedroia probably has up to 15 years left of his career... this past season is as good as he will ever get??

[jacksonianmarch]

yes. I dont think his ceiling is any higher than this past season. He's 5'9 in heels. You really think he's got 25HR potential? In this day and age, do you think he has .340+ potential? I dont. I think this past yr is the ceiling on a guy like Pedroia. The question is, will he repeat it.

[jacksonianmarch]

See....this is why you're confused.

 

Think about this for one second, my dear Yankee friend. Pettitte will go for about 10 million. Cameron is another 10 million.

 

Now...this team is constructed to win in October. So...would you rather sign Pettitte and Cameron for 20 million, or Manny for 20?

 

Come playoff time, Pettitte won't pitch, and Cameron is a #8 hitter. Manny is...Manny.

 

Must I continually educate you?

 

we gotta get to october first dumbass. You cannot educate anyone. You're on adam's level of intelligence and once they canned him, you're alone at the bottom. Your brother got all the brains.

[ORS]

Why is Pedroia's peak at 24 when most players peak from 27-31? 'Cause you says so. Not buying.

 

He's got ridiculous hand/eye coordination. He hit .326 this year, but the arbitrary .340 is out of the question? Over the course of 650 ABs that's only 9 more hits. Can't happen, right? Nonsense.

 

Can he hit 25 HRs? Yeah, playing half his games at Fenway. Unless he gets lazy in the offseason, something that is sure to happen given the dividends his offseason program have paid thus far, he's going to get stronger as he approaches his peak. He had 10 road HRs as a 24 y/o. Consider that his park neutral power. Combine that with increased strength and a good season taking advantage of the home dimensions, and it's certainly possible.

[Cocos Disciples]

The Jacko vs Gom soap opera might be my favorite thing about this site. That and the power leveling.

[Gom]

we gotta get to october first dumbass. You cannot educate anyone. You're on adam's level of intelligence and once they canned him' date=' you're alone at the bottom. Your brother got all the brains.[/quote']

 

If he had, he wouldn't have gone into medicine...lol. Unless, of course, you're an aberration. A mistake maybe, not an aberration.

 

Of course you have to get to October first. However, the Yankees are primed to play in October irrespective of which track they take. However, the difference between Pettitte and a Hughes/ML scrub and Cameron over Melky/Gardner is minimal compared to the effect of Manny over anyone we would put in at DH. Over the course of a season, it would be close. Once the playoffs begin, Pettitte probably doesn't even make the roster, and Cameron is at best the #8 hitter. Manny would be the single most important offensive player, in all likelyhood.

 

Anyways, I'm done debating with you. Why? A debate is where two people present their points [usually opposing views] in an educated manner. You fail at this. You're probably the dumbest Yankee fan I've ever met. Seriously. I'm not actually saying this to be mean, or rude. I really hope you learn from this post, because you write well, which shows some modicum of intelligence, but what you write is asinine. You really don't know a thing about this game. It really bothers you to have to admit that you are not well versed in something. I readily admit that although I watch football, and played football, I am not a football expert. I'm secure with myself, and sadly, you aren't.

 

Most people know one thing or another. They are good at stats, or analyzing the game as it is played, or the economics of the game...something. Anything. You are probably the only fan of any baseball team that lacks all of the above. You know, I readily admit I don't follow the minor league levels, and supposedly you do, but since you've lost all credibility in analysis here, I'd be just as effective as flipping a coin than asking your opinion.

 

Moron...let me make it simple. Would you trade Manny for Pettitte and Cameron? Considering the relative costs, the trade would be a wash in financial terms. As a Yankee fan, it's a no-brainer. See? You lack the ability to comprehend such things.

 

The thing is this. In my career, I have to problem solve. So do you. However, I deal with opposing views all the time. I have to look at it from all angles, try to understand the other person's objectives and perspective on the matter, and come to an understanding. You lack this ability.

 

If you took the time to THINK...what's the point, I can try to point it out to you until I'm blue in the face...you'll still be an idiot. Anyways, I have lost my patience in dealing with your stupidity. Seriously.

 

Come back when you've learned a thing or two about this game.

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Why can't us Yankee fans just stick together in this hostile environment?

[Dipre]

Gom and Jacko love each other (Sexually), and this is their way to release the tension.

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/12/13/2008-12-13_johnny_damon__arod_dial_up_a_winner_in_a.html

 

Johnny Damon made phone calls to AJ to recruit him to New York, going into the differences between Boston and New York.

[riverside sluggers]

AJ got rid of that goatee of his

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He still looked scruffy though. And he doesn't seem like much of a talker hopefully he can handle the media here. One thing is for sure, he better f***ing stay healthy otherwise things are gonna go sour for him here.

[riverside sluggers]

Another thing, his wife looks like something nice to come home to

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Yeah I forgot to mention that, but Karen Burnett is HOT!

[BoSox21]

Johnny Damon made phone calls to AJ to recruit him to New York, going into the differences between Boston and New York.

 

The biggest difference being New York has a GM who is willing to overpay in years and money for an underachieving pitcher

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The biggest difference being New York has a GM who is willing to overpay in years and money for an underachieving pitcher

No way to disagree with you there. All I can say in defense of Cashman is that while he did gain increased control when he signed his new contract, there's still so many people making decisions above him that if they say go out and get A.J. Burnett he has to do it. everybody was involved with these discussions; Hal, Felix Lopez (husband of a Steinbrenner daughter, and a vice president in the organization), Levine, even George to an extent. Cashman, while for the most part makes a lot of the baseball decisions still has to take orders. I think if the choice was completely his there is no way he spends $85 Mil on a guy like Burnett.

[Dipre]

No way to disagree with you there. All I can say in defense of Cashman is that while he did gain increased control when he signed his new contract' date=' there's still so many people making decisions above him that if they say go out and get A.J. Burnett he has to do it. everybody was involved with these discussions; Hal, Felix Lopez (husband of a Steinbrenner daughter, and a vice president in the organization), Levine, even George to an extent. Cashman, while for the most part makes a lot of the baseball decisions still has to take orders. [b']I think if the choice was completely his there is no way he spends $85 Mil on a guy like Burnett.[/b]

 

If he would spend that kind of money by his own free will, then he is everything Gom says he is and more.

[jacksonianmarch]

He still looked scruffy though. And he doesn't seem like much of a talker hopefully he can handle the media here. One thing is for sure' date=' he better f***ing stay healthy otherwise things are gonna go sour for him here.[/quote']

 

This rotation is gonna throw f***ing hard