Let's run JD Drew out of town.

[Taliesin]

There's whining and then there's being a complete f***ing moron.

 

You toe the line.

 

I am an idiot. You are right.

 

- post moderated

[Taliesin]

I will not troll. I will not troll. I will not troll

 

I also probably will not contribute very much to talksox. I am a clown.

[CrespoBlows]

 

Someone hit the bottle a little too hard tonight.

[Jayhawk Bill]

And JB. It's just an opinion about an approach to the game. It's just me watching the game for 35 years. The rest isn't directed at you.

 

Thanks!

 

I don't think that JD Drew is a pansy, FWIW--I was just trying to clarify what you were saying.

[TheKilo]

Ha! I bet my dick is bigger than yours there bubba. The rest isn't directed at you. I don't resort to personal assaults there Kilo but I'll make an exception' date=' because you don't have anything better to say or the intellect of an ant and are somehow sexually frustrated in someway. You are a boob and always will be one. I've read you for a long time and you have nothing...nothing to add to anyone's life, least of all your own and you get so much fun out of castigating others whose intellect is so far superior than your tiny tiny brain can wrap itself around. You probably pull wings off of flies and would have made a great Nazi. Cheers. Try me ya f***.[/quote']

 

FACT - You called JD Drew a vagina for not playing a game with vertigo, an ailment that ended the career of a Red Sox player not too long ago (Nick Esasky)

 

FACT - You said you'd rather have Trot Nixon (in the minors) or Frank Catalanatto as the starting right fielder for the Boston Red Sox.

 

FACT - JD Drew had arguably the most impact offensively on the Boston Red Sox last postseason.

 

FACT - JD Drew has the fifth highest OPS in the AL.

 

I'm surprised calling you a moron got this much of a rise out of you. Let me ask you a question - you say you've been watching the game 35 years. What about JD Drew's game don't you like? The .893 career OPS? The above average defense and speed? You've never given me a concrete answer as to why you hate him so.

 

Let me guess - it's because he "extorted" Philadelphia with Boras before he even played a game in the majors! He screwed them over, and Schilling said mean things about him, and therefore you hate him too right? I guess that would make sense - if someone like Jason Varitek did the same thing you'd hate him too, right?

 

You say I show you nothing on this message board. That's your opinion and you're certainly entitled to it. Thing is, if your eyes are telling you that Frank Catalanatto and Trot Nixon are superior players to JD Drew, then I really have to question what game you are watching and whether or not you're saying anything of real substance - right now I'm not seeing a whole lot from you either.

 

I won't attack you personally with the same venom you directed at me. I don't need to get in a pissing contest with you because people see what each of us bring to the table - but you know as well as I do pretty much everything you posited is wrong. But hey, that's nothing new for you, right?

[ksushi]

Taliesin, stop posting three times in a row. Consolidate all that crap into one, incoherent, substance-less, perhaps drunken post.

 

Who ever moderated your post did you favor. And I bet who ever did it is also incredibly handsome and suave.

[Mr Crunchy]

ahh the ""I always loved jd drew"" tribe is coming out in force today.

 

he's hot right now and doing what he's supposed to be doing at 14M per

.571 for the month of june and taking charge as the big man heals..

 

fact

missing a single game with vertigo is like missing a single game with cancer

its hardly a 1 day affair

vertigo is like being on a roller coaster all day long and to watch it come and go within what?? 48 hours?? is mind boggling.

its easy to defend jd drew these days but a nasty case of ball rash or an inflammed instep or a sore masturbating hand is surely right around the corner.

that said

nobody should be arguing about the mans production and he is actually overachieving for the 1st time in his career....

i think hes soft

i want 150 games from him just to see what he can really produce but now, in his 11 year career, he has never played 150 games in a season.

he averages 116 games per season,somehwere ellis burkes is nodding in agreement.

perhaps playing for this team will make him ignore the strain of a 162 game season where your body slowly gets beaten down,guys like schill and lester and lowell will be a positive force on getting him to play when he dont feel like playing....

vertigo?

tommy herr came down with vertigo after his wife delivered vince colemans kid.

nick esasky came down with vertigo after his wife decided to move him to atlanta,then divorced him.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Vertigo lasts a while, but vertigo-like symptoms can come and go. I've had them.

[ORS]

Vertigo reminds me of this kid I served in the Corps with. Every time we boarded ship for a trip somewhere, he'd turn green with seasickness for 2 days. Every single time. The funny part was this, after about 2 weeks at sea, you are totally used to the constant motion. Well, when we hit port, we'd get off the ship and, I s*** you not, the motionless terra firma felt like it was moving (because you are so used to the motion). Then he'd be sick for two days on flat ground. Cracked me up.

[TheKilo]

ahh the ""I always loved jd drew"" tribe is coming out in force today.

 

he's hot right now and doing what he's supposed to be doing at 14M per

.571 for the month of june and taking charge as the big man heals..

 

fact

missing a single game with vertigo is like missing a single game with cancer

its hardly a 1 day affair

vertigo is like being on a roller coaster all day long and to watch it come and go within what?? 48 hours?? is mind boggling.

its easy to defend jd drew these days but a nasty case of ball rash or an inflammed instep or a sore masturbating hand is surely right around the corner.

that said

nobody should be arguing about the mans production and he is actually overachieving for the 1st time in his career....

i think hes soft

i want 150 games from him just to see what he can really produce but now, in his 11 year career, he has never played 150 games in a season.

he averages 116 games per season,somehwere ellis burkes is nodding in agreement.

perhaps playing for this team will make him ignore the strain of a 162 game season where your body slowly gets beaten down,guys like schill and lester and lowell will be a positive force on getting him to play when he dont feel like playing....

vertigo?

tommy herr came down with vertigo after his wife delivered vince colemans kid.

nick esasky came down with vertigo after his wife decided to move him to atlanta,then divorced him.

 

FACT - I'm one of maybe five people on this board who supported JD Drew all last season.

 

FACT - 150 games is an arbitrary amount to ask someone to play, and is a perfect example of skewing an argument in your favor.

 

FACT - JD Drew played 145 games in 2004, 146 games in 2006, and 140 games in 2007.

 

FACT - The only reason JD Drew didn't play that many games in 2005 was because he got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist.

 

 

What about him makes him "soft"? Please, enlighten me. "He hasn't played 150 games in a season" seems awful weak.

[ksushi]

ahh the ""I always loved jd drew"" tribe is coming out in force today.

 

he's hot right now and doing what he's supposed to be doing at 14M per

.571 for the month of june and taking charge as the big man heals..

 

Yeah, I take some good offense to this as a long-time from day 1 Drew supporter. Name names, and quote quotes or endure the wrath of all five of us.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think hes soft because he hasnt been on the field for over 146 games in a 10 year career and only 3 times has made 140.

he's been out of the lineup for reasons that i feel dont warrant time off

example 1 being the 24 hour case of vertigo.

examples 2-10 are the constant aches and pains that prevent him from taking the field,from the mild quad strains to the tender hammy to the pulled groins

hes a career .280 hitter with limited power who gets paid like a 45hr guy and gets treated like a diva.

5 out of 10 years he has failed to play 130 games

hows that skewing an argument?

thats a fact that you seem to ignore when discussing jd drews courage and ability to play with the slightest pain.

so 1 year he got hit by a pitch,what happened the other 4 years?

he's tender and it aint from diving into the stands or colliding with infielders

dont take this personally

you seem be sensitive in this jd drew saga

we got him,hes ours,i'll live with it and hes playing well now but based on his history we can expect him to lay down for a couple weeks before the season is over.

thats idle speculation based on career performance and nothing else.

god willing he will stay in the lineup and continue ripping the piss out of the ball.

hes in the right locker room to shine and play thru the nagging injuries that may have kept him out of the lineup when he was in places like los angeles and st louis and even atlanta.

nobody missed jd drew when he left these cities..

the fact that nobody else came close to bidding on him when he opted out of los angeles should justify my argument that yes,jd drew has a history of being soft and not playing thru pain and the rest of baseball wasnt going to spend 70M on a guy who cant get on the field on a regular basis..

let me be clear

i want him to succeed because i am a sox fan and dont give a f*** who is in right field so long as they produce.

[BSN07]

FACT - I'm one of maybe five people on this board who supported JD Drew all last season.

 

FACT - 150 games is an arbitrary amount to ask someone to play, and is a perfect example of skewing an argument in your favor.

 

FACT - JD Drew played 145 games in 2004, 146 games in 2006, and 140 games in 2007.

 

FACT - The only reason JD Drew didn't play that many games in 2005 was because he got hit by a pitch and broke his wrist.

 

 

What about him makes him "soft"? Please, enlighten me. "He hasn't played 150 games in a season" seems awful weak.

 

 

I believe I'm one of those 5 that stood by him as well, we look like genious's Kilo:thumbsup: LOL

[ksushi]

ahh the ""I always loved jd drew"" tribe is coming out in force today.

 

he's hot right now and doing what he's supposed to be doing at 14M per

.571 for the month of june and taking charge as the big man heals..

 

fact

missing a single game with vertigo is like missing a single game with cancer

its hardly a 1 day affair

vertigo is like being on a roller coaster all day long and to watch it come and go within what?? 48 hours?? is mind boggling.

its easy to defend jd drew these days but a nasty case of ball rash or an inflammed instep or a sore masturbating hand is surely right around the corner.

that said

nobody should be arguing about the mans production and he is actually overachieving for the 1st time in his career....

i think hes soft

i want 150 games from him just to see what he can really produce but now, in his 11 year career, he has never played 150 games in a season.

he averages 116 games per season,somehwere ellis burkes is nodding in agreement.

perhaps playing for this team will make him ignore the strain of a 162 game season where your body slowly gets beaten down,guys like schill and lester and lowell will be a positive force on getting him to play when he dont feel like playing....

vertigo?

tommy herr came down with vertigo after his wife delivered vince colemans kid.

nick esasky came down with vertigo after his wife decided to move him to atlanta,then divorced him.

 

Dude. Go look at a guy's career stats before you say someone is "over-achieving."

 

Don't be a joke. JD has made consistent improvement, more or less, in each half he has played in Boston. His second half boost last year came from an INSANE September, but he was amazing for your favorite team down the stretch after having an incredibly tough year at the plate and at home. How can you call a guy who turns it on so well in September and October soft? Maybe you need to choose your words more carefully. " I believe he misses to many games with things a lot of guys play through" is what I think you are trying to say. Sure, that is valid and a very frustrating truth about JD Drew. However, he has yet to miss significant time with the Red Sox, and despite a rough start has been very productive in his year and almost a half here. Very productive.

 

.323 15 HR and 57 RBI since august first of last summer. Keep complaining

[redsoxrules]

JD is a career 286/392/502/894 not to mention pretty good defense

 

thats pretty damn good numbers. If JD's stats are like they are now at the end of the season and years to come, he's not that much overpaid

 

when JD is 100% healthy he's a heck of ballplayer, last year he had a few personal problem and nagging injuries

 

also JD has had 2 season with over 1000 OPS

[TheKilo]

JD Drew is third in the AL in OPS.

 

If that's a joke, by all means joke away.

[TheKilo]

i think hes soft because he hasnt been on the field for over 146 games in a 10 year career and only 3 times has made 140.

he's been out of the lineup for reasons that i feel dont warrant time off

example 1 being the 24 hour case of vertigo.

examples 2-10 are the constant aches and pains that prevent him from taking the field,from the mild quad strains to the tender hammy to the pulled groins

 

Where'd you get your degree in medicine? You don't feel it "warrants" time off, tell me what injuries do?

 

If you think vertigo isn't a good reason to miss games than I don't really know what to tell you.

 

hes a career .280 hitter with limited power who gets paid like a 45hr guy and gets treated like a diva.

 

Gary Matthews got paid $10 mil. Johnny Damon got paid $13 mil. Are they 45 hr guys?

 

5 out of 10 years he has failed to play 130 games

hows that skewing an argument?

 

You take the average number of games played, taking into consideration years he was injured that weren't his fault.

 

Ergo, you skew the argument.

 

thats a fact that you seem to ignore when discussing jd drews courage and ability to play with the slightest pain.

so 1 year he got hit by a pitch,what happened the other 4 years?

he's tender and it aint from diving into the stands or colliding with infielders

dont take this personally

you seem be sensitive in this jd drew saga

 

I'm not sensitive at all, I call people out when they spew ******** about people they heard from the known drunk Tony LaRussa. He calls him soft, or weak, or something and everyone hops on that bandwagon.

 

we got him,hes ours,i'll live with it and hes playing well now but based on his history we can expect him to lay down for a couple weeks before the season is over.

 

So? If he hits the way he did in October I'm OK with him taking a week or two off. hell, I'd love for everyone to be able to do that.

 

thats idle speculation based on career performance and nothing else.

god willing he will stay in the lineup and continue ripping the piss out of the ball.

hes in the right locker room to shine and play thru the nagging injuries that may have kept him out of the lineup when he was in places like los angeles and st louis and even atlanta.

nobody missed jd drew when he left these cities..

the fact that nobody else came close to bidding on him when he opted out of los angeles should justify my argument that yes,jd drew has a history of being soft and not playing thru pain and the rest of baseball wasnt going to spend 70M on a guy who cant get on the field on a regular basis..

let me be clear

i want him to succeed because i am a sox fan and dont give a f*** who is in right field so long as they produce.

 

He has a career .894 OPS. How is that a joke?

[a700hitter]

I love the way Drew is playing right now. When he is going like this he makes it look so smooth and easy. There's no denying that he is supremely talented. That being said, everyone of us, even his biggest and most vocal supporters, hold our collective breath when he gets hit with a pitch, makes contact with the OF wall, or dives for a ball, because we know he is a bit fragile.

[ORS]

He's unconscious right now.

[TheKilo]

JD Drew in June not counting tonights 2-4 with a double, HR, and a walk:

 

.500/.605/1.156/1.761

 

Instead of replacing Ortiz's offense, it's like he's given us his production ON TOP of Ortiz's.

[Mr Crunchy]

listen sonny jim,dont get testy

the boy hit a grandslam in an elimation game and was an integral part of a tremendous team that brought infinite joy to my life and to so many people i love he would never have to reach into his wallet to pick up a tab in my company.

im not a medic nor dare i imagine the grind of a very long baseball season that takes its toll on many....hard guys soft guys and everyone misses time.

i find him missing more time on a consistant basis than most

and remember

its jd drew,not arod and not even mike lowell

i applaud your balls for sticking with him despite a down year that was ridiculed from ft kent maine to san ysidro california

its nice to be right when the entire population is on the other side of the fence

congratulate yourself and your goombahs who were of the same mindset but lets not confuse this guy with lou gherig because at this stage of drews sox career id settle for troy olearys #s from 98 and be thrilled.

[Cocos Disciples]

Umm Troy O'Leary had a .782 OPS in 1998. You would be thrilled if Drew did worse than 2007?

[Jayhawk Bill]

congratulate yourself and your goombahs who were of the same mindset ...

 

Cool! I've never been called a goombah before!

 

Mr Crunchy, I had always thought that, if you were to offer me a unique lifetime experience, that it would have been more like a Hunter S. Thompson novel. This is way easier, plus a whole lot more fun tomorrow morning! :thumbsup:

[CrespoBlows]

Taliesin, stop posting three times in a row. Consolidate all that crap into one, incoherent, substance-less, perhaps drunken post.

 

Who ever moderated your post did you favor. And I bet who ever did it is also incredibly handsome and suave.

 

Why were those two post edited?

[redsoxrules]

JD Drew is third in the AL in OPS.

 

If that's a joke, by all means joke away.

 

 

after lastnight he's now second in OPS

[BSN07]

I love the way Drew is playing right now. When he is going like this he makes it look so smooth and easy. There's no denying that he is supremely talented. That being said' date=' everyone of us, even his biggest and most vocal supporters, hold our collective breath when he gets hit with a pitch, makes contact with the OF wall, or dives for a ball, because we know he is a bit fragile[/b'].

 

I do not deny sometimes I cringe a little when it comes to those circumstances and Drew. But for the most part I haven't had too many issues with Drew. When he wasn't hitting he still was playing good D and that does count for something. But when he has been really needed(Stretch run last season, Papi being out of the lineup), he has produced at an All Star level.

[Jayhawk Bill]

after lastnight he's now second in OPS

 

 

And he's first among AL players who can actually play defense!

 

1. Milton Bradley DH

2. JD Drew RF

3. Jason Giambi 1B/DH

4. Josh Hamilton CF

 

Josh Hamilton can play some good defense, too...although I caution that he's next-to-last among qualifying AL CF in RZR thus far in 2008, with more errors than assists (an old-fashioned way to pick out bad-fielding outfielders from stats).

[jacksonianmarch]

he'll fade

[Jayhawk Bill]

he'll fade

 

The prediction of Red Sox decline...the last refuge of Yankees fans these days.

 

BTW, did you know that Robinson Cano is the next-to-worst hitting qualifying regular player in the AL?

[a700hitter]

The prediction of Red Sox decline...the last refuge of Yankees fans these days. :lol

That and:"Jeter and Cano will heat up.". Personally, I think Jeter has started to decline in all aspects of his game. He'll be completely finished as a productive player in 2-3 years.