Let's run JD Drew out of town.

[Mr Crunchy]

i have learned to live with jd drew

sort of like living with a mother in law

you hate their face each time you see it but every now and then theres a generous unexpected gift.

honest to God on my kids eyes i expect big things out of him in the next 4 months

i want 80 runs,.315 avg and hrs in the next 100 games

[Paradisecity]

As my brother said, if JD Drew hits like he did last postseason in every postseason for the sox, he can do whatever the hell he wants for the rest of the year.

[rician blast]

As my brother said' date=' if JD Drew hits like he did last postseason in every postseason for the sox....[/quote']

 

...he'd be the anti-ARod?

[BoSox21]

Drew is pretty much on pace for his typical season:

 

- He's a .284 career hitter and he's at .282 right now

- He has a .379 OBP and his career average is .390

- He's averaged about one RBI every 2 games over his career and he's right on that pace this year

 

The only real thing that's off are his homers. He averages 25 HRs every 162 games and this year, he'll probably have 15.

 

Drew is what he is and what he's always been and he's probably feeling the various injuries he's had over the years cause he isn't a young pup anymore. The price tag raises expectations to an unreasonable level

[ksushi]

I don't think Drew is the problem. I like the good ol' 4-3 put out. The problem is higher up than that. Its Theo. Couldn't agree more with Mr.Williams. People have too much faith in this guy. 2 world series and our first division title since 95 probably could have come a lot sooner. Papi could be wearing a few more rings on his hand had Theo not been around to screw it up by signing guys like Drew.

[BoSox21]

2 world series and our first division title since 95 probably could have come a lot sooner. Papi could be wearing a few more rings on his hand had Theo not been around to screw it up by signing guys like Drew.

 

I'll agree that for every good move Theo makes, he makes a bad one but to be fair, Papi isn't even in Boston without Theo

[ksushi]

Drew is pretty much on pace for his typical season:

 

- He's a .284 career hitter and he's at .282 right now

- He has a .379 OBP and his career average is .390

- He's averaged about one RBI every 2 games over his career and he's right on that pace this year

 

The only real thing that's off are his homers. He averages 25 HRs every 162 games and this year, he'll probably have 15.

 

Drew is what he is and what he's always been and he's probably feeling the various injuries he's had over the years cause he isn't a young pup anymore. The price tag raises expectations to an unreasonable level

 

You can't really take what a guy has in may and extrapolate that out to a whole season and take yourself seriously. Saying he is currently on pace for about 15 is accurate, but to assume that he will probably have 15 home runs based on two months of playing time when there are still four months and about 110 games left of baseball is a little presumptuous.

[ksushi]

I'll agree that for every good move Theo makes' date=' he makes a bad one but to be fair, Papi isn't even in Boston without Theo[/quote']

 

That was the point of the gag, bub. I was trying the whole sarcasm thing in honor of kilo. I'm probably the blindest Theo supporter on the board, and I got beer poured on me for cheering for drew at fenway last year.

[TheKilo]

I was about to say, that bashing seemed a bit out of character for you. Well played.

[BoSox21]

That was the point of the gag' date=' bub. I was trying the whole sarcasm thing in honor of kilo. I'm probably the blindest Theo supporter on the board, and I got beer poured on me for cheering for drew at fenway last year.[/quote']

 

ill plead ignorance on that one then. my bad

[Thumper]

Drew, I don't like him. I still do have those moments where I miss Trot, but it's fading. I'm with Crunchy here, I've come to tolerate him. He'll piss you off for a week but will make you happy when it counts. If he can just keep at .280+ I'll be happy enough.

[rician blast]

Here's my take on JD Drew.

 

He is what he is. A fragile player who is equipped with some nice skills. If he puts up .275, 14 and 75, he is performing within the realm of his ability.

 

JD Drew is not, never was and IMO never will be a consistent .300+, 20 HR +, 100 RBI guy, regardless of the fact that the Sox FO was inclined to PAY HIM like one.

 

I've never expected a ton outta the guy so I don't particularly have a problem with his performance. My gripe with him in the past was lack of intensity...now I'm convinced his demeanor is just JD being JD.

[Thumper]

I've never expected a ton outta the guy so I don't particularly have a problem with his performance. My gripe with him in the past was lack of intensity...now I'm convinced his demeanor is just JD being JD.

 

So he's like Manny being Manny except he sucks? I see.

 

Anyway, I do agree, I never really did expect much from him. I thought he would have been this 100+ RBI guy after all the hype. But I've lowered mystandards for him, and as long as he hits over .280 and can knock in ATLEAST 70 runs, I'll be content with him.

 

But I still don't like him.

[BoSox21]

he is what he is. a solid bat who plays a good RF but its a mistake to rely on him for a ton and granted his salary implies that more should be expected but that isnt his fault, thats the FO's fault. the team's pro scouting, for the most part, is awful

[Cocos Disciples]

Here's my take on JD Drew.

 

He is what he is. A fragile player who is equipped with some nice skills. If he puts up .275, 14 and 75, he is performing within the realm of his ability.

 

JD Drew is not, never was and IMO never will be a consistent .300+, 20 HR +, 100 RBI guy, regardless of the fact that the Sox FO was inclined to PAY HIM like one.

 

I've never expected a ton outta the guy so I don't particularly have a problem with his performance. My gripe with him in the past was lack of intensity...now I'm convinced his demeanor is just JD being JD.

 

Dude. No. JD Drew, as many scouts have said, is one of the most talented and gifted players in baseball. Injuries have hurt him a lot, along with just underachieving.

[rician blast]

Dude. No. JD Drew' date=' as many scouts have said, is one of the most talented and gifted players in baseball. Injuries have hurt him a lot, along with just underachieving.[/quote']

 

Dude. Yes. Part of a player's overall ability is his ability to stay on the field and perform.

 

As for underachieving, perhaps that is so, but perhaps it's time for scouts and fans to re-evaluate their lofty expectations of JD Drew. I don't see how underachieving can be dismissed without considering whether a player's perceived potential is over-estimated.

 

By the way, when was the last time a scout called him one of the most talented and gifted MLB players? I'm ot busting balls, I'd really like to see if he is STILL being labeled as such, cuz I don't see it.

[BoSox21]

he was a very talented prospect who ended up being a good to pretty good pro. thats it

[Cocos Disciples]

Dude. Yes. Part of a player's overall ability is his ability to stay on the field and perform.

 

As for underachieving, perhaps that is so, but perhaps it's time for scouts and fans to re-evaluate their lofty expectations of JD Drew. I don't see how underachieving can be dismissed without considering whether a player's perceived potential is over-estimated.

 

By the way, when was the last time a scout called him one of the most talented and gifted MLB players? I'm ot busting balls, I'd really like to see if he is STILL being labeled as such, cuz I don't see it.

 

Well you said his ability was a .270/14/75 season. I disagree. Based on his career numbers, over a 500 at bat season, he would hit .284 with a .390 OBP, hit 23 home runs and drive in 79. While the RBI's are close, consider that he has spent all but 1 year and 2 months in the NL, a league of considerably less offense.

[ksushi]

Well you said his ability was a .270/14/75 season. I disagree. Based on his career numbers' date=' over a 500 at bat season, he would hit .284 with a .390 OBP, hit 23 home runs and drive in 79. While the RBI's are close, consider that he has spent all but 1 year and 2 months in the NL, a league of considerably less offense.[/quote']

 

I would contend that RBI probably should be left out of a discussion of a players skill set as they are, at least in part, a product of the lineup you hit in. When everyone was crediting Julio Lugo for his RBI's despite his lack of hitting last year I wanted to puke. He drove in the winning runs of the mothers day miracle while grounding out TWICE in the inning. RBI is very misleading, IMHO.

[rician blast]

Well you said his ability was a .270/14/75 season. I disagree. Based on his career numbers' date=' over a 500 at bat season, he would hit .284 with a .390 OBP, hit 23 home runs and drive in 79. While the RBI's are close, consider that he has spent all but 1 year and 2 months in the NL, a league of considerably less offense.[/quote']

 

No, I said .275/14/75 was in the realm of his ability.

 

Those numbers are comparable to his historical numbers and the BA is certainly not far removed from his career average of .284. Considering the injuries and his age, I don't see how anyone can expect a whole lot more than the stat line I posted above.

 

Drew is a good player.

He is not an elite player.

He is not an ironman.

 

It makes no sense to project his numbers out to a full season because he rarely, if ever, approaches one. And it also makes no sense to expect bigger numbers than he is likely to put up, regardless of what the scouts used to say or how much the Sox FO overpaid for him.

 

All that said...I'm still ok with him.

[SCM33]

If you throw his salary out the window (which we should, they have the money, and its not our money, so who cares) then what you are left with is a solid RF. Im happy with that. He is not a weakness, if he were a weakness there would be a concern....his numbers may be pedestrian compared to what we envision, however they are still solid. There are other glaring weaknesses to this club besides JD Drew.

[redsoxrules]

JD leads the sox with a 942 OPS wich is good for 5th in the AL

[ksushi]

I don't know what numbers you envisioned, but I think that a solid fielding, .318 hitting, .523 slugging right fielder is pretty damn solid. Since last august (5 months of baseball including the post-season and this season), he is hitting .326 with 14 HR's and 56 RBI. In each half he has played with boston he has showed steady improvement putting up a .258/.368/.391 line in his first half in Boston, which left a lot to be desired but it was his first three months in the american league. He followed that up with a .286/.379/.462 line, that doesn't tell the whole story - it is solid, but his july and september numbers were night and day. He lost his mind last september and october. And so far this year he has showed that he is more of september and much less of what he was in july going .318/.419/.523 so far this half. It was an adjustment, but he has made it, and at this point, no one has ANYTHING to complain about.

[TheKilo]

I see Drew has another injury to his vagina. Is that wrong. Will I be called out as a Nixon apologist? Do I need to recite reams of stats to defend my position that the man is an effete? Worthless and an enigma? Borderline major league player when we could have signed Catalanotto for hundreds of millions less. Just saying. Sticking w/ the conspiracy theory of Dice K.

 

Anything to add, Taliesin?

[Taliesin]

Nuh uh...we're Boston fans and we whine. About everything. All the time. Football team that sucked for centuries goes 18-1. Wins three SB's. Violins. Lamenting. Baseball team that sucked for centuries wins 2 World Series....in our lifetimes. What will we do about our 2nd baseman. Sob. Basketball team that sucked for at least my daughter's lifetime. Gets into the finals. Little girl whining. Bunch of little kids who don't know history. Or how to wait. Instant gratification generation. BTW. Koufax was the greatest pitcher of all time. And, it's kind of close, but not very.

[Taliesin]

Like I said...we whine. I'm a Boston fan and not above it.

[Taliesin]

I love it when I'm wrong. I still say he's an effete.

[TheKilo]

There's whining and then there's being a complete f***ing moron.

 

You toe the line.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I love it when I'm wrong. I still say he's an effete.

 

Effete - decadent: marked by excessive self-indulgence and moral decay

 

Nah. JD Drew might be self-centered, but so are most superstar athletes, and he's neither indulgent nor decadent.

 

Pansy - sissy: a timid man or boy considered childish or unassertive

 

I don't have any stats to back me up or anything*, but I think that this is what you're getting at.

 

 

*

[Taliesin]

There's whining and then there's being a complete f***ing moron.

 

You toe the line.

 

Ha! I'll keep that in mind chief.