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[a700hitter]

Wily Schmo and more waving at breaking pitches. He's patheic. The midget is making him look bad.

[riverside sluggers]

Pedroia with his 2nd hit, keep it up Dusty. Think about this lineup if Tek, Coco, and Dusty bounce back from their slow starts

[Cocos Disciples]

Hm. I actually don't know. It's possible...

 

To anyone that can answer...is Matsuzaka eligible for the W? How does it work if the pitcher comes out of the game while his team's losing and they go ahead next inning? If it's the home pitcher and the team goes ahead in the bottom half of the inning is he eligible for the W? Or would he have to go another batter?

 

Mats would get the win.

[jacksonianmarch]

and btw, we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.

[schillingouttheks]

and btw' date=' we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.[/quote']

 

A win is a win, and a loss is a loss. Eat it.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I think maybe WMP chases too many pitches outside the zone. :dunno:

 

ha yes...I laughed when I read this

 

....I think its safe to say Wily Mo Pena will chase pitches outside the zone for his entire career

[example1]

and I am not saying you should take this with a grain of salt. The only reason why you should take this with a grain of salt is because our SP doesnt deserve to be pitching above AA ball. But my point on DMats pitching poorly is regardless of the game outcome. The FACT is' date=' he has been VERY hittable today without 2 of our better hitters. That is my point.[/quote']

 

But you know as well as I do that certain hitters do well against certain pitchers. A-Rod fanned multiple times, as has Abreu. Paradoxically, Dougie has 2 hits. How do you know how Posada or Matsui would have done against him?

 

I'm not going to blindly bow down to the power of the Yankees lineup, like Joe Morgan or Jon Miller would. I'm just not going to. Especially as i watch them lose because of pitching.

 

I'm not taking anything with a grain of salt, even your pitching. If you pay 195 million dollars and have to throw multiple minor leaguers then that's YOUR TEAM'S fault, not some fault of deficiency of the Red Sox.

[god is a redsox FAN]

they haven't officially taken out Dice-K have they? So I'm pretty sure Dice gets it... because the substitution hasn't been made yet.

[riverside sluggers]

and btw' date=' we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.[/quote']

 

And yet you havent they havent hit them good enough. We learned the same lesson back in 05, didnt turn out good in the end. Like you said, cant consistently win if you have no bullpen

[jacksonianmarch]

That wasn't a coherent sentence. And to make the claim that the Sox better watch out when posada and matsui get back is also dumb. They don't give a rat's ass and neither do any of the other teams who beat the yankees. They beat them with even MORE pleasure because of those guys.

 

Your problem right now is not offense, or catching, or fielding in LF. It is pitching.

 

I agree with the last point. BUT you are taking something I said out of context and making a fool out of yourself.

 

Okay, here it is. Someone was saying that DiceK was very hittable today. Someone else said to chill cause it is the yankee lineup. I countered with the fact that our lineup is down 2 of our better hitters. You are denying that.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

and btw' date=' we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.[/quote']

 

Thats a pretty pathetic post. Stop crying about your injuries....because they will be a constant for the Yankees this year...whats the average age on your team and there injury history?

[schillingouttheks]

they haven't officially taken out Dice-K have they? So I'm pretty sure Dice gets it... because the substitution hasn't been made yet.

 

That's because the Sox are still at bat...

[example1]

and btw' date=' we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.[/quote']

 

I'd be interested to see who ended innings and in what situations that happened. Your claim could be verified statistically if we only had the tools.

 

Our vaunted pitching staff has done enough to keep our team in the game. Our VAUNTED OFFENSE has knocked around your supposedly VAUNTED BULLPEN (I can cite your vaunting of the bullpen if you wish) with ease. Including your supposedly teflon closer Mr. Rivera.

[jacksonianmarch]

And yet you havent they havent hit them good enough. We learned the same lesson back in 05' date=' didnt turn out good in the end. Like you said, cant consistently win if you have no bullpen[/quote']

 

I agree. I LOVE our bullpen as it is currently constructed. But honestly, they are being murdered in terms of usage. Your bullpen hardly sees any action. Not one of them are tired. Hence, your pen looks awesome. Once we get our starters back and they start giving more than 5 innings per start, our pen will fall back into form. I am just hoping nobody gets injured.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Hm. I actually don't know. It's possible...

 

To anyone that can answer...is Matsuzaka eligible for the W? How does it work if the pitcher comes out of the game while his team's losing and they go ahead next inning? If it's the home pitcher and the team goes ahead in the bottom half of the inning is he eligible for the W? Or would he have to go another batter?

 

Nice work, Pedroia.

 

It's the pitcher in the game when the team takes the final lead...unless they're the starter, then they have to go 5. A reliever can get a win without throwing a pitch.

[TheKilo]

Damn. 600+ posts?

[BoSox21]

jacko, your lineup isnt full of spring chickens anyway. the likelyhood of having a healthy full lineup for an extended period this season is slim so your boys better figure out a way to win

[Cocos Disciples]

Dice is back out there for the 8th. There goes the question of the decision.

[Rdsxmbnt]

wow Matsuzakas still in. I like it

[example1]

I agree with the last point. BUT you are taking something I said out of context and making a fool out of yourself.

 

Okay, here it is. Someone was saying that DiceK was very hittable today. Someone else said to chill cause it is the yankee lineup. I countered with the fact that our lineup is down 2 of our better hitters. You are denying that.

 

I'm not denying that you're missing 2 of your good hitters. But what if DiceK is only pitching at 85% efficiency tonight? What if next time he pitches at 100%? Can you show me that a more effective Dice K couldn't POSSIBLY make up for the offensive upgrade at the bottom of the order? I don't think you can.

 

What you are denying is that THIS IS STILL THE YANKEES LINEUP. Last year Posada was healthy, but they wouldn't play him when RJ pitched. Is he the second coming of Johnny Bench? no. He's a very good hitter but he has plenty of 0'Fer nights like any other hitter does. The Yankees are their starters, and their bench players. You may not like that, but its a fact.

 

Let's look at the phrase "missing 2 of our better hitters". I would take that to mean that those two are in the top half of hitters in your usual lineup. Right? I mean, that's what "Better" means, above average, top half seem fair?

 

I would currently rate Damon, Jeter, Abreu and A-Rod above either Matsui or Posada. Weren't Matsui and Posada hitting at the bottom of the order? So, they're not even the top 50% of your lineup. Is that some of your "better" hitters by this definition? I think they are good hitters, but are they your BETTER hitters? Not by a long shot.

[mosox]

wow Dice K in the 8th, way to go Tito!!

[a700hitter]

and btw' date=' we have hit around your vaunted starting pitchers with Matsui out the entire series, Damon missing one and Posada missing 2. The one thing they all avoided was the big knockout punch of an inning, mostly because they got to face the bottom of our order when the going got tough.[/quote']And each of them went 7 innings so the Yankee offense didn't do what it needed to do, which was to get the starters out of the games early and blow the game open against the bullpen.

[Cocos Disciples]

And Coco is out in center. I guess he's okay. WMP okay?

[example1]

I LOVE it that Dice-K is still in there.

 

HE DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT YET? Are you a fool Joe? Oh yeah, you are, I forgot for a second with all the typing to Jack.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'd be interested to see who ended innings and in what situations that happened. Your claim could be verified statistically if we only had the tools.

 

Our vaunted pitching staff has done enough to keep our team in the game. Our VAUNTED OFFENSE has knocked around your supposedly VAUNTED BULLPEN (I can cite your vaunting of the bullpen if you wish) with ease. Including your supposedly teflon closer Mr. Rivera.

 

Okay, I'll break it down for you.

 

Cano has ended 2 rallies to this point, a guy who should be in the 8 spot, but he isnt one of our crappy hitters, so you have a point there. Another big killer is the DP that scored a run. BTW, Melky and Nieves are 0 for 6 on 17 pitches.

[Cocos Disciples]

Leadoff single for Rod.

[example1]

I'll take a base hit by A-Rod. No biggie.

[TheKilo]

Awful execution there.

[a700hitter]

The midget strikes again.

[example1]

Okay, I'll break it down for you.

 

Cano has ended 2 rallies to this point, a guy who should be in the 8 spot, but he isnt one of our crappy hitters, so you have a point there. Another big killer is the DP that scored a run. BTW, Melky and Nieves are 0 for 6 on 17 pitches.

 

Nieves has RIPPED the ball 2 times. Again, he's hit it harder than A-Rod has.