2007 Spring Training Game Thread

[a700hitter]

Papi lost that weight and his power has gone with it.

[a700hitter]

Good job by Piniero working out of the 1st and 3rd jam.

[seabeachfred]

Are you trying to be the weirdest guy on the internet?

 

And don't start any s*** with any more Dodger fans. You know you're the reason they came here in the first place and the only reason you're still here is because some members of this board, and it sure as hell wasn't me, decided to protect your ass because *today you call yourself a Red Sox fan.

 

I'd say Blow Me but you'd probably enjoy it.

 

First of all *******, the Dodger fans you talk about didn't come on here last time after the Red Sox-Dodger game because of me, so stick that one in your diddy bag. Secondly, some of them were here long before I came on this board like EZ, Moose and a few others. The moderators who back me up earned by thanks because they knew I wasn;t trying to cause any crap around here.

 

One other thing Canadian, I don't need some crud from north of the border questioning my loyalty to the Red Sox. I could discuss this with in Fort Myers in a week but you won't be there. I could discuss this with you at Fenway Park during the home opener series, but you won't be there either. I could also discuss this with you at Yankee Stadium or San Diego in June, but you won;t be there either. Maybe at Fenway in September when the Yankees come back, but, no you won't be there as well.

 

Some great Red Sox fan you are bagging on me and questioning by Red Sox pedigree but never showing your pathetic face at any of those venues. Young punk, you're all talk, all buillshit and this is the last time I will have anything to say to a pissant like you. Since you enjoyed reading that stuff that was on that Dodger Board, I suggest you go on there and get your jollies. However, let me advise you that most of the guys there have a hell of a lot more class than you do. Now buzz off and do not ever send me a message again.

[seabeachfred]

700, Pineiro seems to be getting his act together but he still worries me. Those last three years have been disastrous and I wonder if he has much left in his tank. What I'm hoping is that he might be the kind of pitcher who thrives when he has to face batters only once before they zero in on him.

[seabeachfred]

That curve is showing some improvement. It's beyond a show-me pitch' date=' and given the quality of his other stuff he can sneak it in there.[/quote']

 

I wonder if our pitchers have reached the dead-arm stage of Spring Training? That seems to happen to most pitchers sometime around this time of March. I believe Paps will be fine, though. What is concerning me a little is why so many of our hitters seem to be in a funk. Is it possible we are going to miss Papa Jack more than we think? Aside from our explosion yesterday we haven't hit much since the Yankee game.

 

I know, it's early.

[jacksonianmarch]

seabeach, hitters are usually behind the pitchers during ST. That is why command and stuff are more important than results at this point. If you are worried about Manny and Papi, you should take a chill pill.

[ORS]

When did RSR move to Canada?

 

Ok, Fred. You really need to stop with your wet-twat spring training rants. You piss and moan about the stupidest things. Let's get a few things straight. RSR is not Canadian, rsr is. He's a huge Sox fan, and I laugh at the notion that you think you could challenge it. Also, just because you have the money to fly around all over the country watching the games doesn't mean you are a bigger fan than anyone. It just means you have the means to do it.

 

Whether or not they came here to mess with you after the first ST Sox-Dodger game is immaterial. They wouldn't know about the place if it hadn't been for you in the first place. EZ and Moose never talked any s*** here before the others came. I blame you and you alone for any and every thing that happens with Dodger fans here. Deal with it.

 

Look, I can tell you are a genuinely nice guy, Fred, so that makes hard to tell you to go screw, but it's still something I fee like I want to do given how annoying you can be. I'll refrain again for now, but the ice is thin.

[seabeachfred]

seabeach' date=' hitters are usually behind the pitchers during ST. That is why command and stuff are more important than results at this point. If you are worried about Manny and Papi, you should take a chill pill.[/quote']

 

No chill pill need Jacko. I do find it ironic that right now our relief pitching has been more impressive than our hitting, starting pitching and defense. After all, that is what most Red Sox fans are worrying about for the coming season.

 

Two weeks to go and plenty of time still to get all this ironed out. I recall when I went down to Fort Myers the last week of ST last year the hitters were finally getting into it and hitting well. As long as the team is ready when the bell rings that's fine. We open up against KC in their ballpark and I keep reminding myself is that was where the wheels came off last August when they swept us three straight and started our downward spiral. I think we were ahead in all those games, too. It would be nice to reverse that in a couple of weeks.

[VA Sox Fan]

I wish there was a "Bitter" smiley. Congrats on the DTV.

 

 

Thanks RSR! I'm watching a Red Sox ST on NESN in my own place, for the first time..........priceless!! :D

[seabeachfred]

When did RSR move to Canada?

 

Ok, Fred. You really need to stop with your wet-twat spring training rants. You piss and moan about the stupidest things. Let's get a few things straight. RSR is not Canadian, rsr is. He's a huge Sox fan, and I laugh at the notion that you think you could challenge it. Also, just because you have the money to fly around all over the country watching the games doesn't mean you are a bigger fan than anyone. It just means you have the means to do it.

 

Whether or not they came here to mess with you after the first ST Sox-Dodger game is immaterial. They wouldn't know about the place if it hadn't been for you in the first place. EZ and Moose never talked any s*** here before the others came. I blame you and you alone for any and every thing that happens with Dodger fans here. Deal with it.

 

Look, I can tell you are a genuinely nice guy, Fred, so that makes hard to tell you to go screw, but it's still something I fee like I want to do given how annoying you can be. I'll refrain again for now, but the ice is thin.

 

Look ORS, I don't have trouble on the other Red Sox boards I post on and I don't want to have any trouble here. When someone starts questioning my loyalty to the Red Sox that's when I start getting defensive and feel I have to react. If people drop that refrain I would love nothing better. I can work on my rants but I want this bandwagon s*** to stop once and for all. Just because I have rooted for this team less years than the rest of you does not mean that I am not any more loyal. Enough of that. Let's just all move on. RSR has been on my case since I came on here and I will have nothing more to do with him. I hope you and I will have many more exchanges and can enjoy a great season by OUR team.

[TheKilo]

Out of curiosity, when did you become a Sox fan?

[seabeachfred]

Out of curiosity' date=' when did you become a Sox fan?[/quote']

 

Kilo, In August of 2000 I was on a baseball tour sponsored by Sports Travel with games at Baltimore, Philly, Shea and YS, a trip to Cooperstown and a final game at Fenway. At that game, seeing Pedro pitch, the aura of Fenway, the great fans, the milling around before and after the game, all this just absolutely engulfed me completely. When I came home I told my wife I had finally found the team to take the place of the Brooklyn Dodgers team I loved as a kid in New York. My wife went out and bought be two Red Sox tee shirts and that was that.

 

I had been a nominal Mets fan since I was born in Queens. I had also started a Stan Musial Team out here in California called the Mets. However, it was not a rabid relation I had with them. The Red Sox became something completely different. I still regret that it took me until I was nearly 60 to find this team, and I know I missed out on a lot and that is why I get so pissed when someone questions my loyalty to the Red Sox. I have become almost off the wall in my devotion to our team and try and make up for my tardiness by traveling as much as I can to see the Red Sox play. Even ST losses bother me.

 

I hope this ends any of the lingering bandwagon accusations that keep coming from three other people on this board. I live and die with the Red Sox. I will also send you a private E-Mail and tell you something else that some others here might find really off the wall.

[Cocos Disciples]

I will also send you a private E-Mail and tell you something else that some others here might find really off the wall.

 

Ooh La La!

[riverside sluggers]

Pineiro is now up to 6.1 scoreless innings, during that streak he has struck out 6. What I liked seeing is him getting out of a jam against major league hitters.

 

It should be:

7th inning- Donnelly/Okajima

8th inning- Mike Timlin

9th inning Joel Pineiro

 

(If Timlin begins season on DL)

7th inning- Hideki Okajima

8th inning- Brendan Donnelly

9th inning- Joel Pineiro

[seabeachfred]

Pineiro is now up to 6.1 scoreless innings, during that streak he also struck out 6. What I liked seeing is him getting out of a jam against major league hitters.

 

It should be:

7th inning- Donnelly/Okajima

8th inning- Mike Timlin

9th inning Joel Pineiro

 

(If Timlin begins season on DL)

7th inning- Hideki Okajima

8th inning- Brendan Donnelly

9th inning- Joel Pineiro

 

That's about as good a trio as I could come up with Riverside, and if you heard Theo's interview with Remy he doesn't sound like he is too concerned about the bullpen. Any time anyone of us gets too overly concerned about the pen we're told to take a chill pill, it's early, and stop panicking. If we can't do that, maybe a prayer or two and some positive vibes might help. Right now I see it the same way you do.

[riverside sluggers]

Very true fred, just please keep the faith

 

EDIT: per rotoworld

Red Sox optioned OF Brandon Moss, LHP Craig Breslow, C George Kottaras to Triple-A Pawtucket; reassigned RHP Runelvys Hernandez, RHP Travis Hughes and INF Ed Rogers to minor league camp.

 

Moss went 8-for-26 with a homer, six walks and two steals this spring. His stock has slipped a bit over the last two years, but he's turned in a couple of solid seasons in Double-A and he's not going to turn 24 until September. If he steps up in Triple-A this year, he could have a future as a regular.

The Sox have themselves 2 outfielders (Moss, Murphy) who both are capable of competing for a starting outfield gig. Sox could net some decent relief help in return. Id be surprised if both of them, or even just 1, are still here a year from now

[seabeachfred]

Very true fred, just please keep the faith

 

EDIT: per rotoworld

 

The Sox have themselves 2 outfielders (Moss, Murphy) who both are capable of competing for a starting outfield gig. Sox could net some decent relief help in return. Id be surprised if both of them, or even just 1, are still here a year from now

 

From what I've observed this ST so far, Moss and Murphy have contrasting images. Moss looks like he could be a pretty good hitter with some real sock and still young enough to make it in the Bigs, but he doesn't look like a very polished outfielder. He seems to have trouble moving on balls hit to either side of him. Murphy, on the other hand, looks like a helluva fielder but after a quick start has tailed off, and his uppercut swing looks very disjointed. At this juncture I would think Murphy can make it to the Bigs as a 4th outfielder or platoon player while Moss could emerge as a pretty damn good everyday player. I love the way he hangs in there against lefty throwers. :D :D :D

[jacksonianmarch]

Moss has the higher stock since he looks like he is a better hitter. This is well known throughout the minor league circles. But Murphy is the hard-nosed player who can play CF rather well. Murphy is a Brady Clark kind of player. He should make a solid 4th OFer somewhere and he might even be a serviceable CFer for someone. Moss is a bit further away.

[MANNYHOF24]

I really worried about Papi, he looks like he only has warning track power. This is immensely bad for the sox. (Sarcasm)

 

 

 

 

 

 

:thumbsup:

[seabeachfred]

Moss has the higher stock since he looks like he is a better hitter. This is well known throughout the minor league circles. But Murphy is the hard-nosed player who can play CF rather well. Murphy is a Brady Clark kind of player. He should make a solid 4th OFer somewhere and he might even be a serviceable CFer for someone. Moss is a bit further away.

 

Well we're pretty much both on key with those two, but I wonder if you were aware that after Moss' great 2004 season in high "A" Ball they were talking about him being Trot Nixon's successor in right field, but he regressed badly in 2005 and when the Red Sox traded for Wily Mo Pena that set him back even further. Now with the team having signed Drew to a five year contract Moss' future with the team is really in doubt because he is behind Drew, Pena, Ellsbury, Crisp and Murphy. His best bet would be for the Sox to include him in a trade for a good reliever and or closer the team may need, though I would think the best idea would be to convert him to first base and if he has a big year at Pawtucket might find him getting a quicker and better chance to stick in the Bigs. I think he has a good future as a hitter.

 

As for Murphy, unless they trade either Crisp or Pena, which now seems unlikely, or they carry a fifth outfielder, David is headed back to the minors and probably the end of his career as a Red Sox. Moss and Murphy are lefthanded hitters, and the Sox already have Drew, Crisp (switch), and the future CF Ellsbury who hit from that side.

[a700hitter]

Youklis is painfully slow. He hits a ball into the SS hole-- not hit hard at all. Granted Tejada has a gun, but he was 25 feet from first base when the first basemen caught the ball.

[TheKilo]

Gameday link?

[a700hitter]

I am just curious why the ML pitchers are pitching against minor leaguers more often than major leaguers. It's not just because of the travel, because Wakefield pitched against bushers yesterday when the team was in Ft. Myers. Is it because they don't want the ML teams getting too many looks at them? I remember in 2004, Schilling made a point of not facing AL East teams in ST. He was very successful that year, and I've noticed it being done more often the past two ST's.

[a700hitter]

Also curious about the # of HRs hit by Wily Mo after his return from surgery last year. He has n't hit any this Spring. Ortiz had the same surgery years ago, and he said that it took a full year to get his power back.

[ORS]

Gameday link?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/y2006/gd.html?2007_03_18_bosmlb_balmlb_1&brand=mlb

 

They play again on Tuesday. It will look like this....

 

[noparse]http://mlb.mlb.com[/noparse]/mlb/gameday/y2006/gd.html?2007_03_20_minmlb_bosmlb_1&brand=mlb

 

Just change the day to reflect the date. Visiting team first, home team last.

[ORS]

700, it's an AL East thing. They are trying to avoid familiarity for intradivision rivals.

[a700hitter]

700' date=' it's an AL East thing. They are trying to avoid familiarity for intradivision rivals.[/quote']That's what I thought. I don't remember the Red Sox doing this prior to 2004.

[a700hitter]

No one answered my question the other day about Ellsbury playing against the Dodgers even though he had been sent down. Does anyone know why?

[ORS]

The only thing I can think of is announcer/scorer error. Did you actually see him 700, or was it in the boxscore? They gaffe regularly during ST. There would have been a story if Jacoby was back with the big club.

[a700hitter]

The only thing I can think of is announcer/scorer error. Did you actually see him 700' date=' or was it in the boxscore? They gaffe regularly during ST. There would have been a story if Jacoby was back with the big club.[/quote']There was a picture of him in the paper scoring on one of the Boston HRs. The caption to the picture named him and he was wearing #82. I don't recall if he was also mentioned in the game story.