2007 Spring Training Game Thread

[ORS]

Look at the edit I made before you posted. I said my perception of Hudson was wrong. No doot aboot it.

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3 run 1st for Yanks. No hard hit balls, 3 runs... typical Wakefield inning. He tends to have one or two of those a game.

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who is going to provide a spark for this team this season? I mean, I am having no problem watching this game, even if they're losing 0-3 against the Yankees. But in general, who--if anyone--do people imagine will be the sparkplug on this team and provide some sense of urgency?

 

I guess that's why I wouldn't be against a mid-season call-up of Ellsbury if necessary. Of course, given that they've already sent him down to minor league camp for this spring training, its probably not going to happen as I would wish.

[ORS]

Mirabelli. I kid, I kid.

 

This team begins and ends with the two-headed monster.

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Any chance Ortiz will re-learn how to hit to RF anytime soon? That shift kills his AVG, although his OBP is still pretty solid year after year.

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Mirabelli. I kid, I kid.

 

This team begins and ends with the two-headed monster.

 

It does. And the 4 headed pitching monster.

 

Nice Remy: "I can't help but think, when I look at Manny, that the Board of Health called..." referring to Manny in a hair-net.

[redsoxrules]

Any chance Ortiz will re-learn how to hit to RF anytime soon? That shift kills his AVG' date=' although his OBP is still pretty solid year after year.[/quote']

 

as long as he keeps hitting it over everybody's head like he's been doing its fine by me

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Manny is amazing. He gets to more deep counts without swinging a bat than anyone I've ever seen. He looks like a guy who is hacking away but who doesn't actually take the bat off his shoulders. Such an intimidating presence.

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I gotta say that I like how JD Drew approaches his at-bats... (I'm writing before I see what he does)...

 

EDIT: nice pitch for the K

[ORS]

Two-runs through three is pretty misleading. They've tattoed the ball off Pavano.

[example1]

yup. He's basically just throwing cheese (90 fastballs down the middle and tailing cheese that has gotten a few strike-looking calls.

[CrespoBlows]

AGE YEAR TEAM   OUT  UEQR    EQA  EQR BRAR BRAA  FRAR FRAA PRAR  WARP1   EQA  EQR BRAR BRAA  FRAR FRAA PRAR  WARP2 WARP3
23 1995 MIL-A   39     6   .233    5    0   -2    1   -2    0     .1   .245    6    1   -1    1   -2    0     .2    .2
24 1996 MIL-A  114    16   .218   13   -2   -7   10    3    0     .9   .231   15    0   -5   12    3    0    1.3   1.3
25 1997 MIL-A  318    58   .254   52   11   -3   21    4    0    3.6   .268   59   19    4   26    5    0    4.9   4.9
26 1998 MIL-N  311    68   .283   66   27   13   14    1    0    4.5   .280   65   25   11   17    1    0    4.7   4.7
27 1999 MIL-N  433    80   .257   73   18   -2    9   -7    0    2.9   .256   72   17   -3   13   -8    0    3.4   3.4
28 2000 MIL-N  265    48   .255   44   10   -2   17    5    0    3.0   .254   43    9   -3   24    6    0    3.7   3.7
29 2001 MIL-N  285    45   .248   44    7   -6    9   -3    0    1.8   .247   43    7   -6   13   -4    0    2.2   2.2
30 2002 MIL-N  166    27   .257   28    7   -1    0   -5    0     .8   .258   28    7   -1    3   -6    0    1.1   1.1
30 2002 HOU-N   41    16   .353   15   10    8    0    0    0    1.1   .354   15   10    8    3    0    0    1.4   1.4
31 2003 SD_-N  415    90   .291   95   42   24   28    6    0    7.8   .292   95   43   24   35    6    0    8.5   8.5
32 2004 SD_-N  435   113   .311  117   62   42   42   19    0   11.4   .311  117   62   42   50   20    0   12.3  12.3
33 2005 SD_-N  301    50   .265   54   16    2   12   -4    0    3.2   .266   55   17    3   16   -4    0    3.7   3.7
34 2006 BOS-A  462    75   .242   67    8  -13   13   [b]-9[/b]    0    2.3   .255   76   18   -3   17  -10    0    3.8   3.8

 

Zero is considered average. Loretta scored nine runs below average. Hudson on the other hand:

 

 YEAR TEAM  POS   G    PO    A    E   DP    AdjG Rate  RAR  RAA Rate2 RAR2 RAA2  BatOut EQR
2002 TOR-A SB   52   116  157    4   48    50.8  110   12    5   111   16    5    137   24
2003 TOR-A SB  139   267  477   12   99   129.5  118   43   23   118   50   24    346   56
2004 TOR-A SB  133   276  449   12   90   127.4  113   36   17   114   43   18    361   69
2005 TOR-A SB  130   302  391    6   80   119.5  113   35   15   114   40   16    341   60
2006 ARI-N SB  156   309  508   13  115   149.7  113   42   [b]19[/b]   114   51   21    427   81
           SB  610  1270 1982   47  432   576.9  114  168   79   115  199   85   1612  291   .265

 

scores 19 runs above average.

[redsoxrules]

funny how on some stats one player is way better than the other , and vice versa on other stats

[a700hitter]

I noticed that, and I didn't say it was perfect. Another flaw with the original ZR is that it doesn't take defensive alignment into account. The zones are hard zones, and alignment can result in a player giving up a hit in his zone that he has no chance to make a play on.

 

EDIT: But, more than likely what happened is that I, like many others, was blinded by the brilliance. Hudson makes some spectacular plays. The guys at the top of the list are excellent keystoners, so I'll admit my perception doesn't fit reality on that one. On Loretta, he hits the list right where I'd expect him to.

I'll go with total chances, errors and DPs. That equates to outs. If you have the second most chances and make the fewest errors, you are making the most outs for your team. Any measure that indicates that Hudson has bad range is suspect. I'll also stick with the .285-.300 hitter with the so-so OPS over the .191 hitter.

[a700hitter]

Youk is in a hitting groove all spring. Maybe the Rockies will settle for Youk and Tavarez.

[Beckett95]

Youk is in a hitting groove all spring. Maybe the Rockies will settle for Youk and Tavarez.

 

we cant give up Tavarez...

 

He's our closer now

[redsoxrules]

we cant give up Tavarez...

 

He's our closer now

 

[jacksonianmarch]

we cant give up Tavarez...

 

He's our closer now

 

I am loving it right now. LOVING it.

[MANNYHOF24]

we cant give up Tavarez...

 

He's our closer now

 

This is where you want to insert the sarcasm brackets.

[a700hitter]

Nice blast by J.D. He's been in a groove too.

[MANNYHOF24]

HR? I stopped watching?

[jacksonianmarch]

I smell a hangnail!! Hopefully not on Pavano though.

[a700hitter]

HR? I stopped watching?

Yes, to straight away CF.

[MANNYHOF24]

Yes' date=' to straight away CF.[/quote']

 

Thanks, I'm still not sold on the 5 year deal but he should be a major upgrade in RF this season.

[RedSoxRooter]

and just like that my mlb.com feed died. What a screw job.

[ORS]

I'll go with total chances' date=' errors and DPs. That equates to outs.[/quote']

Only if he gets to the ball or it's hit right at him.

 

If you have the second most chances and make the fewest errors, you are making the most outs for your team. Any measure that indicates that Hudson has bad range is suspect.

I don't think that stat says he has bad range, he had by far the most out of zone plays. It just says the doesn't play his zone well, and I've listed reasons why that could be, which extra out of zone outs agrees with. However, I've looked into it a bit, and Chris Dial's RSpt has Hudson at -4 compared to average, so maybe he isn't what my perception thought he was. Loretta was -7, so he's, what, 6 for 6 now with systems putting him well below average? Kinda tough to pick the guy that is firmly in the underperforming crowd in every system.

 

I'll also stick with the .285-.300 hitter with the so-so OPS over the .191 hitter.

Yeah, because noboby ever improves after adjusting to a new level and their first 80 ABs locks them into a performance range.

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and just like that my mlb.com feed died. What a screw job.

 

Mine too. To the Radio!!

 

 

Thanks Bud, I hope my satelite dish always works. (I don't have one)

[riverside sluggers]

we cant give up Tavarez...

 

He's our closer now

 

I think Im tasting throw-up

[ORS]

funny how on some stats one player is way better than the other ' date=' and vice versa on other stats[/quote']

You should read some of the write ups on the systems. It is widely accepted in the statistical community that no single system has nailed defensive performance. What most guys in the field will tell you is that the spectrum of systems will give you clearest picture. When a guy rates below average in all of them, then it's a safe bet he's below average.

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come on papi, I know its spring training but do something here man. Let's see that Papi magic.