Sox planning to bump Wakefield from the rotation?

[riverside sluggers]

brad lidge??

did you watch this man pitch under pressure??

 

i got whiplash and a case of manic depression watching this guy in houston where they have 2sports

football and spring football

in boston he'll be in contention for the donny moore award by the break

 

Who would you like to see be the 2007 Sox closer?

[ImissPedro]

Maybe I'm dreaming, is this an opening for clemens return possibly??

[redsoxrules]

Maybe I'm dreaming' date=' is this an opening for clemens return possibly??[/quote']

 

 

clemens ,he would want at least 20 million wich is way too risky at his age , plus he would get bombed in the AL

[BudLight]

If you sign Lidge I'll make sure I send enough Albert Pujols masks to the Red Sox to outfit the entire line-up. The boy just hasn't been the same since meeting Pujols in Game 6 a few years ago

[Cocos Disciples]

clemens ' date='he would want at least 20 million wich is way too risky at his age , plus he would get bombed in the AL[/quote']

 

Yeah, asinine statement right there. Clemens would get bombed in the AL? Hmm...no?

[jacksonianmarch]

Does anyone subscribe the theory that Theo is still searching for another starter while he floats Beckett's name out there?

[example1]

Does anyone subscribe the theory that Theo is still searching for another starter while he floats Beckett's name out there?

 

Not me.

[Cocos Disciples]

Nope.

[BSN07]

No Beckett has too much promise. Yes he had a hi ERA, but all he has to do is learn to change speeds, I bet he is close to top of Wins next year in the AL barring any injury. Look at it this way, 16-11 5.01 ERA( Beckett, AL East), 16-10 mid 3's ERA AL West, anyone know who the 2nd stats are from? Bary Zito, Beckett had just as many wins and 1 more loss, yess his ERA was Higher but it will come down. Zito is sought after as an ace, Beckett is right there with him, so no they won't be dealing him.

[Bosoxwest]

Tidbit from Cafardo I missed till today:

 

All of the potential closers on the market from Danys Baez, Eric Gagne, who probably won't throw until January, are risks, while Justin Speier's price tag is rising which might scare some teams. The Sox want a lefty and will have to decide whether Scott Schoeneweis' success in the NL with the Reds would translate to the AL, where he hasn't been as effective.

 

I am really hoping they figure out a way to get this done without Gagne.

[elsrbueno]

Does anyone subscribe the theory that Theo is still searching for another starter while he floats Beckett's name out there?

 

I wouldn't doubt that.

 

Theo has shown that he doesn't get attached to any one player and Beckett at 26 years old still has a TON of value. He'd have to get a lot for him IMO, but I doubt anyone is considered untradable. Considering what the Sox gave up to get for him, it would have to be a hefty price. Otherwise hold onto him and let him adjust to the AL (which I believe he will do).

[jacksonianmarch]

No Beckett has too much promise. Yes he had a hi ERA' date=' but all he has to do is learn to change speeds, I bet he is close to top of Wins next year in the AL barring any injury. Look at it this way, 16-11 5.01 ERA( Beckett, AL East), 16-10 mid 3's ERA AL West, anyone know who the 2nd stats are from? Bary Zito, Beckett had just as many wins and 1 more loss, yess his ERA was Higher but it will come down. Zito is sought after as an ace, Beckett is right there with him, so no they won't be dealing him.[/quote']

 

If Zito got Beckett's run support, he would have won 20 games.

[RedSoxRooter]

If Beckett were to go on the market today I bet he'd get more money than Zito this offseason. Even after last year.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Beckett were to go on the market today I bet he'd get more money than Zito this offseason. Even after last year.

 

No he wouldnt. Long injury history followed by a yr of being owned in the AL East. Zito's biggest draw is that he is left handed, young, effective and durable. Beckett is right handed, young, fragile, and ineffective (at least for last yr).

[a700hitter]

No he wouldnt. Long injury history followed by a yr of being owned in the AL East. Zito's biggest draw is that he is left handed' date=' young, effective and durable. Beckett is right handed, young, fragile, and ineffective (at least for last yr).[/quote']Long injury history...blisters?

[BSN07]

Ya and the same argument that could be made that if Beckett's ERA was around 3.50, he would be a 20 game winner. Beckett has shown he can win on the big stage. He is just young, and like every young hard throwing pitcher thinks he can stike everyone out with his fastball. If he learns to change speed he might be the ace everyone thinks he can be. I'll take Beckett over Zito if I had to pick one for one game.

[Fenways Faithful]

im not sold on zito at all. yeah he is a good picture but when you look at it would you ever feel safe in any way having zito against the yankees in a big game, i wouldn,t. Yeah becket wasnt good last year but ive seen becket come through in a big game, against the yankees nonetheless. and i mention playing the yankees cuz we know those are the most crucial games all year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ya and the same argument that could be made that if Beckett's ERA was around 3.50' date=' he would be a 20 game winner. Beckett has shown he can win on the big stage. He is just young, and like every young hard throwing pitcher thinks he can stike everyone out with his fastball. If he learns to change speed he might be the ace everyone thinks he can be. I'll take Beckett over Zito if I had to pick one for one game.[/quote']

 

 

that is just a flat out poor argument. If Beckett's ERA was 3.5, he wouldnt have sucked this yr.

[BSN07]

He won 16 games with a 5 ERA. And don't say the offense bailed him out every game because our offense wasn't like it has been in the last couple of years. If you can with 16 games with that hi of an ERA you have to have some talent. If he learns how to adjust to the AL he will be a 20 game winner. He was pitching very nicely at the end of last season. I only mention the ERA because, someone mentioned that if Zito had the run support he would have won 20 games. All i'm saying is the same argument can be made for Beckett, if his ERA was lower. There both ifs. And it's not as tho the Athletics had no offense either, they where decent. I'm just sayiing i'll take Beckett over Zito any day.

[Cocos Disciples]

The A's did have a very poor offense.

[jacksonianmarch]

He won 16 games with a 5 ERA. And don't say the offense bailed him out every game because our offense wasn't like it has been in the last couple of years. If you can with 16 games with that hi of an ERA you have to have some talent. If he learns how to adjust to the AL he will be a 20 game winner. He was pitching very nicely at the end of last season. I only mention the ERA because' date=' someone mentioned that if Zito had the run support he would have won 20 games. All i'm saying is the same argument can be made for Beckett, if his ERA was lower. There both ifs. And it's not as tho the Athletics had no offense either, they where decent. I'm just sayiing i'll take Beckett over Zito any day.[/quote']

 

If his ERA was lower, he would have pitched better. You are stating the absolute obvious here. You know what, David Pauley could really be a great starter in the big leagues if his era was around 3.5 and not over 7. Your argument is essentially baseball 101. If a pitcher has a low era, things usually work out in the win column. But in order for a pitcher to have a lower era, then he has to pitch better. So in essence, you are saying that if Beckett pitched better, he would have won more games. Anything else Captain Obvious?

[BSN07]

And all I was stating is that someone had already been captain obvious buy saying if Zito had more run support he would win 20 games. I was trying to be sarcastic lol sorry.

 

But for that person making the offensive argument. Here are how the AL was in Offense. Oaklan yes was bad, but BOS is only 1 higher.

 

 

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G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

1. Minnesota Twins

AL 162 5602 801 1608 275 34 143 754 2380 490 872 101 42 .347 .425 .287

2. New York Yankees

AL 162 5651 930 1608 327 21 210 902 2607 649 1053 139 35 .363 .461 .285

3. Toronto Blue Jays

AL 162 5596 809 1591 348 27 199 778 2590 514 906 65 33 .348 .463 .284

4. Cleveland Guardians

AL 162 5619 870 1576 351 27 196 839 2569 556 1204 55 23 .349 .457 .280

5. Chicago White Sox

AL 162 5657 868 1586 291 20 236 839 2625 502 1056 93 48 .342 .464 .280

6. Texas Rangers

AL 162 5659 835 1571 357 23 183 799 2523 505 1061 53 24 .338 .446 .278

7. Baltimore Orioles

AL 162 5610 768 1556 288 20 164 727 2376 474 878 121 32 .339 .424 .277

8. Los Angeles Angels

AL 162 5609 766 1539 309 29 159 737 2383 486 914 148 57 .334 .425 .274

9. Detroit Tigers

AL 162 5642 822 1548 294 40 203 785 2531 430 1133 60 40 .329 .449 .274

10. Seattle Mariners

AL 162 5670 756 1540 266 42 172 703 2406 404 974 106 37 .325 .424 .272

11. Kansas City Royals

AL 162 5589 757 1515 335 37 124 718 2296 474 1040 65 34 .332 .411 .271

12. Boston Red Sox

AL 162 5619 820 1510 327 16 192 777 2445 672 1056 51 23 .351 .435 .269

13. Oakland Athletics

AL 162 5500 771 1429 266 22 175 735 2264 650 976 61 20 .340 .412 .260

14. Tampa Bay Devil Rays

AL 162 5474 689 1395 267 33 190 650 2298 441 1106 134 52 .314 .420 .255

[jacksonianmarch]

batting average means nothing to a pitcher. It is all about run support. The red sox scored 50 more runs than the A's. That is what matters.

[BSN07]

Team LEAGUE G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG

1. Boston Red Sox

AL 162 5619 820 1510 327 16 192 777 2445 672 1056 51 23 .351 .435 .269

2. Oakland Athletics

AL 162 5500 771 1429 266 22 175 735 2264 650 976 61 20 .340 .412 .260

 

 

Ok yes BOS has a better offense, but it's not by leaps and bounds.

[GOLD DUST TWINS]

I hoenstly think Wakey would be a VERY solid option at closer' date=' just because his knucler would be so different from pitchers prior to him it would be ahrd to get the timing down.[/quote']

 

I think that the prospect of having or even the idea of having Wakefield as a closer is so absurd that it merits no response. two word's for you, Aaron Boone. but I will still try and make a response on a closer, health concerns aside? (which I fully do not understand what they might be?) Papplebon is still the best option, Zito will be in pinstripes like it or not. Timlin is going to turn 41 during the first week of the season and may not be with the team come july 31st. and there are no other arms out there to be had. and I am not sure how to feel about the latest bidding war and the prospect of sending 52 million dollars to japan and another 100 million or so for a total of about 150 million on a pitcher for only four years and gyro ball or not, sounds like a bad idea to me. The sox's were spared many a pitcher who couldn't pitch in a big money market by the Yankees foolish desire to outbid the RedSox no matter what and not one of those pitchers is currently on the Yankees team nor did they produce. We all know the names, we all wanted them and couldn't understand why the team couldn't go another few million for the "hot commodity of the offseason" and thank God the team was outbid!!! We only have to look to NY to see what trying to get the latest can't miss pitcher has gotten them.

Closer? got to be what we saw last year or maybe it will be decided in about 100 days from now when pitchers and catchers report.