August 1st vs. Cleveland

[ORS]

Anyone got a link for where it says Epstein turned down those three for Oswalt? I'm genuinely curious. I was too busy at work today, but I thought I read or heard that Houston was the one to nix that deal.

[a700hitter]

Here's our big acquisition giving up a Homer to the first batter he faces. Will he be this year's Mark Remlinger or Chad Harville.

[SoxFan25]

well s*** im running out of positive juice.

 

its 6-1 and the offense is dead. still possible but f*** its looking really bad.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I wonder....if we are tied after tonight with the Yanks for first....could we work out a waiver deal and take the player without the Yanks blocking us??

[RedSoxRooter]

Papi can't hit a 5 run hr.

[a700hitter]

If this wasn't a rebuilding year, I'd be annoyed.

If they didn't spend $120 million on payroll I could swallow that this was a rebuilding year. 2005 and 2006 have been more of dismantling years than rebuilding years.

[ACL BoSox]

LOL, i laugh at you Theo haters. He's done a damn fine job with this team. Since he's taken over the red sox have made the playoffs all 3 years and won a championship, and he currently has a team at the very worst tied for first in early August. If you call that being a bad GM, then I don't know what to say. He's unconventional, but he always has the best interests of the team and not the owner's pockets.

[ORS]

A happy ending could have been possible if Theo and his twin assistants didn't act like the three stooges at the trading deadline.

I disagree. There are too many holes with Tek out now. And, the Oswalt trade, while one I would have liked for the future, still leaves two gaping holes in the rotation and an extra one in the BP. By default, I think the non-move was the right move because this team would still be very flawed with Oswalt on the roster.

[SoxFan25]

6-1 bottom 8.

 

time to hit.

[TheKilo]

However, a700hitter I think the front office should have worked harder to find a mid-point with teams. Brian Cashman told the Phillies the deal would happen on his terms and not theres.....how does that happen?? Why can't we do that where we tell a team...lets make a deal but we are going to rip you off

 

 

It always comes down to money. That extra $75 million comes in handy when you need to buy players from other teams rather than trading them.

[RedSoxRooter]

Off topic as usual, but the cheese on my cold cut sub has melted. It's that f***ing hot here in GA.

 

And somebody kill that f***ing birt.

[ORS]

LOL, i laugh at you Theo haters. He's done a damn fine job with this team. Since he's taken over the red sox have made the playoffs all 3 years and won a championship, and he currently has a team at the very worst tied for first in early August. If you call that being a bad GM, then I don't know what to say. He's unconventional, but he always has the best interests of the team and not the owner's pockets.

Shake those pom poms. He's done a lot of questionable things, and people are asking questions. Debate the issue instead of doing leg-kicks in the corner.

[RoyNHSox]

The bird on the infield is the star of the show.

[a700hitter]

Anyone got a link for where it says Epstein turned down those three for Oswalt? I'm genuinely curious. I was too busy at work today, but I thought I read or heard that Houston was the one to nix that deal.

I've heard but not read that the Stos wanted Lester, Hansen and Crisp, but this article suggests that they asked for MDC, Hansen and Lester. Theo should have done that too.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/01/deadline_passes_as_do_sox/

[riverside sluggers]

I've heard but not read that the Stos wanted Lester, Hansen and Crisp, but this article suggests that they asked for MDC, Hansen and Lester. Theo should have done that too.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/08/01/deadline_passes_as_do_sox/

 

Nice we would still just have 3 good starters, good chances of losses on the 4th & 5th days. Oh, Seanez & Tavarez would have to be called on more in close/late situations.

[a700hitter]

I wonder....if we are tied after tonight with the Yanks for first....could we work out a waiver deal and take the player without the Yanks blocking us??

I wa swondering the same thing tonight. If the Yankees win tonight, they will have one less loss. I would think that they would have a higher winning percentage. Do you look at the standings at the time the player is placed on waivers?

[SoxFan25]

1. mdc-hansen-lester for oswalt??? = no thanks, oswalt is good but im really confident in the future of those 3 guys there.

 

2. good job man ram

[ORS]

I don't see where it says Epstein turned it down. Kind of hard to get on someone's case for something you don't know they did.

[TheKilo]

If they didn't spend $120 million on payroll I could swallow that this was a rebuilding year. 2005 and 2006 have been more of dismantling years than rebuilding years.

 

 

You complain that they have a $120 million dollar payroll, yet if they didn't spend that much (and still remain under the luxury tax) you'd complain that they were pocketing the money and are greedy. It's unbelievable. They have more resources than any other team in the league besides the Yankees, but they are doing it in a more responsible way, IMO. They are remaining competitive while becomeing more financially responsible. They've done a nice job rebuilding the farm system.

 

You've said it yourself that there are no guarantees for success in the future with the prospects we have, but then again there's no guarantee of success in the present if we ship those prospects for rentals. You're telling me two months of Smoltz is better than 6 years of Lester, when the odds of winning the WS would be about the same? Even if they were the "odds on favorite" to win, there's nothing guaranteed.

 

It seems you want to hold 2004 in some sort of vacuum and not let go. Face it, the Red Sox will be better off for having let Pedro/Damon/Lowe etc. walk instead of tying them up to huge contracts and haveing to pay for their decline.

[SoxFan25]

mike...

[RoyNHSox]

Lowell...No, not another injury.

[riverside sluggers]

Now Mike Lowell seems to be hurt

 

Bambino is that you???

[SoxFan25]

Now Mike Lowell seems to be hurt

 

Bambino is that you???

 

no its no bambino...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Whats wrong with Lowell?

[RedSoxRooter]

You complain that they have a $120 million dollar payroll, yet if they didn't spend that much (and still remain under the luxury tax) you'd complain that they were pocketing the money and are greedy. It's unbelievable. They have more resources than any other team in the league besides the Yankees, but they are doing it in a more responsible way, IMO. They are remaining competitive while becomeing more financially responsible. They've done a nice job rebuilding the farm system.

 

You've said it yourself that there are no guarantees for success in the future with the prospects we have, but then again there's no guarantee of success in the present if we ship those prospects for rentals. You're telling me two months of Smoltz is better than 6 years of Lester, when the odds of winning the WS would be about the same? Even if they were the "odds on favorite" to win, there's nothing guaranteed.

 

It seems you want to hold 2004 in some sort of vacuum and not let go. Face it, the Red Sox will be better off for having let Pedro/Damon/Lowe etc. walk instead of tying them up to huge contracts and haveing to pay for their decline.

 

Thank you. Well said (and typed).

[RedSoxRooter]

RUDY!

 

Na hair herh. RUDY CAN'T FAIL!

[RoyNHSox]

Rudy has no runs allowed over the last 6 games. He seems to have found his niche in mop up.

[a700hitter]

You complain that they have a $120 million dollar payroll, yet if they didn't spend that much (and still remain under the luxury tax) you'd complain that they were pocketing the money and are greedy. It's unbelievable. They have more resources than any other team in the league besides the Yankees, but they are doing it in a more responsible way, IMO. They are remaining competitive while becoming more financially responsible. They've done a nice job rebuilding the farm system.

 

You've said it yourself that there are no guarantees for success in the future with the prospects we have, but then again there's no guarantee of success in the present if we ship those prospects for rentals. You're telling me two months of Smoltz is better than 6 years of Lester, when the odds of winning the WS would be about the same? Even if they were the "odds on favorite" to win, there's nothing guaranteed.

 

It seems you want to hold 2004 in some sort of vacuum and not let go.

I maintain that the Red Sox have the resources to have held on to the core building blocks of the 2004 team while planning for the future. If they kept Damon and Pedro, they would still have Lester, MDC and Hansen. Ellsbury would be ready to take over CF as Damon's contract would be running out. Instead the FO created these gaping holes by letting the foundation of 2004 walk while maintaining a very pricey payroll. Now they are in a position of being also rans this year unless they trade some of their future. This was completely unnecessary. If you are truly going to rebuild, you sell off some of your larger contracts for prospects. We haven't done that.

Face it, the Red Sox will be better off for having let Pedro/Damon/Lowe etc. walk instead of tying them up to huge contracts and haveing to pay for their decline.

As opposed to the well-spent money on Clement's, Seanez', Tavarez and Wells' contracts?

[riverside sluggers]

Expected in the 9th.. Crisp, Mirabelli, Gonzo

 

C.C. is at 111 pitches, yeah Id send him out to finish the complete game too

[Youk Of The Nation]

Crisp and Mirabelli can get on, then Gonzo can homer, then Youk and Loretta can get on, and Ortiz can homer and win it. YES!