Will you boo Petey?

[jsinger121]

Pitchers probably did steroids and I am in agreement with but Pedro who likely did not pitch on steroids had to face hitters on steroids and pitch with a lower mound than Koufax did. Give Pedro a non steroid era and a higher mound and I love see to the numbers he would have put up.

[RedSoxRooter]

the steroid era did not only effect the hitters. If you want to blanket the league with the steroid era, then you must include the possibility that every player, pitcher and hitter, may have used....

 

Sure as s*** Petey did what everybody else was doing, but there is no denying his dominance until he blew his shoulder out. He was ridiculous.

[ORS]

I think Sandy Koufax would have something to say about that. But he was the most dominant pitcher of my era, and that includes Clemens. BUT, Clemens is the best pitcher of my era because of his durability and longevity. If Petey goes on for 6-7 more yrs as he is now, then he will supplant Roger....

Sandy's peak was great, but not as good as Pedro's. Sandy's best season's are probably more valuable due to the innings he logged, but they aren't nearly as dominant.

 

No booing Pedro.

[TheRivernator]

btw, I am the one who chose option 3 just so I could see the results without having to hit the see results button every time. It looks rather unanimous...

[Cocos Disciples]

I think Sandy Koufax would have something to say about that. But he was the most dominant pitcher of my era, and that includes Clemens. BUT, Clemens is the best pitcher of my era because of his durability and longevity. If Petey goes on for 6-7 more yrs as he is now, then he will supplant Roger....

 

sandy koufax also was not a red sox.

[guapo34]

Without looking up the numbers, best 6-8 year stretch or any pitcher ever. His last 2 with Montreal plus 5 or so with Boston. Compared to league average he was easily better than Koufax, and anyone else. If you want to talk longevity Cy Young clearly has Pedro as does Clemens, Maddux and a number of other pitchers.

[TheRivernator]

so, who will boo him mercilessly?

[TheRivernator]

here is the quote from dirt dogs...

 

 

Do It Like Damon: 37 Days Until the Paydro Martinez Greedy-Petey-Bolted-for-New-York Standing Boo-vation

[YanksHater213]

Ill cheer Pedro. Hes my boy.

[Cityofchampions33]

This is a perfect example of how if you leave, elaving to a team otehr than te Yanks will let u keep ur cred. Damon, goes to Yanks, but applauses all his time in Boston and the fans. Pedro, leaves for the Mets but takes shots at us when he does so. We bo amon, and cheer pedro.

[Soxfan1]

Definetly a cheer.

[ahhchon]

boo pedro? if i see anyone boo the guy i might just throw a sack of s*** at their face.

 

pedro was amazing for us, anyone that boo's him was not a fan when pedro was our entire pitching staff and obviously knows nothing about his dominace. i'll be at that game with my 8 year old pedro t-shirt, my pedro baseball pins all over my hat and up on my feet.

 

john

[MC Hammer]

Petey is the main reason I became a Red Sox fan, and as long as he is not pitching for the Yankees I will not boo him.

 

BDD should be shut down. It gives RSN a bad name.

[User Name]

Yes, I booed the s*** out of Damon.

 

No, I would not boo Pedro, but that may be for personal reasons, because he went to the Mets, and they're my 2nd favorite team. (Although I barely support them, I just have a soft spot for them.)

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I think Sandy Koufax would have something to say about that. But he was the most dominant pitcher of my era, and that includes Clemens. BUT, Clemens is the best pitcher of my era because of his durability and longevity. If Petey goes on for 6-7 more yrs as he is now, then he will supplant Roger....

 

Well Petey had a lower ERA, and Sandy didn't play in the steroid era.

[ORS]

Well Petey had a lower ERA, and Sandy didn't play in the steroid era.

I think the best stat to look at when comparing pitchers across different eras is ERA+. It reflects performance in relation to league average and is park adjusted. Where is Petey on the all-time ERA+ list? #1 by a wide margin (career ERA+ of 166, 2nd place is 148 - Lefty Grove). Where is Sandy on the all-time list? #31 with an ERA+ of 131. Petey's brilliance won't be matched for quite some time IMO.

 

EDIT: Because I love this topic when it comes up, take a look at their best year ever....

 

Pedro (2000) - 285 ERA+ (#2 all-time), .737 WHIP (#1 all-time), 5.31 H/9 (#4 all-time), 11.78 K/9 (#9 all-time)

Sandy (1966) - 190 ERA+ (#56t all-time), .985 WHIP (not in top-100), 6.72 H/9 (not in top-100), 8.83 K/9 (not in top-100)

 

All-time ranks for single season in those categories (which I think measure dominance better than any other stats).....

 

Pedro - #2 ERA+ (2000), #1 WHIP (2000), #4 H/9 (2000), #2 K/9 (1999)

Sandy - #56 ERA+ (1966), #17 WHIP (1965), #11 H/9 (1965), #40 K/9 (1965)

 

All-time ranks for career in those categories......

 

Pedro - #1 ERA+, #3 WHIP, #3 H/9, #3 K/9

Sandy - #31 ERA+, #21 WHIP, #2 H/9, #5 K/9

 

Petey wins.

[a700hitter]

Pedro is the greatest pitcher of the last 40 years. He will be given a hero's welcome. Let's not forget that when Koufax ran off his string of years that Marichal and Drysdale were also winning 25 games in some of those years. Marichal won 25 or more games 3 times in the 60's and never won the Cy Young Award.

[redsoxrules]

im guessing the 5 people who didnt choose option 2 arent redsox fan :dunno:

[redsoxrules]

do you guys think the mets are gonna go out of their way to make sure pedro pitches against the sox?

[RedSoxRooter]

If they want to win (against the Yanks biggest enemy) then they should. Depends on how deep the s*** gets when the weekend gets close. EEI's gonna have a field day and start something.

[Dana Kiecker]

I truly believe in my gut Petey wanted to stay... The front office wanted him to go. The FO also did everything in its power to smear Petey and his questionable shoulder on the way out of town.

 

The guy has a heart of gold , and was just plain wicked pissah,..

 

The FO deserves the Boos.. not The Man.

[pudge]

Put me down for the standing ovation .

[a700hitter]

It was a bad miscalculation by the FO not re-signing Pedro. He was an All-Star last year and is well on his way to being an All-Star this year. I think the Sox should have refused to re-sign him only if they knew his arm was shot at the end of 2004, and that clearly was not the case. Basically, they made some kind of bet that there was an expiration date on his arm, and they let the greatest pitcher that anyone has ever seen walk away. I still get steamed when I think about it.

[ahhchon]

look at sandy's stats. they are amazing, but then think about the era in which he pitched. the dead ball era. not to mention he had a higher mound.

 

i think if you were to put pedro in the lat 60's you would see a sub 2 era consistantly, 16k/9 and about 350+k's per season.

 

edit: i wouldn't ever consider pedro #2 in era+ record. he's #1. he's 2nd to a guy who pitched in 1880. back then the league era was UNDER 3. that guy wouldn't even be able to crack the AAA team these days.

 

john

[Cocos Disciples]

anyone who boos petey is ignorant

[CrespoBlows]

Yup.

[Dana Kiecker]

Booing Petey would be... shall we say... retarded.

[ORS]

look at sandy's stats. they are amazing, but then think about the era in which he pitched. the dead ball era. not to mention he had a higher mound.

 

i think if you were to put pedro in the lat 60's you would see a sub 2 era consistantly, 16k/9 and about 350+k's per season.

 

edit: i wouldn't ever consider pedro #2 in era+ record. he's #1. he's 2nd to a guy who pitched in 1880. back then the league era was UNDER 3. that guy wouldn't even be able to crack the AAA team these days.

 

john

FWIW, ERA+ takes the era into account. Keefe's 294 was with a 0.86 ERA in a league where the average was 2.52. That's still impressive. What isn't impressive to me is that he only pitched 105 innings in that season, making 12 starts. This is in an era where teams used only one primary starting pitcher because they weren't throwing overhand at the time and fatigue wasn't a big issue. Thus, he wasn't the best pitcher on his team. Seems flukish to me.

[BoSox Rule]

Anybody that boos Pedro is clueless, unless he slept with your sister or something.

[yeszir]

Anybody that boos Pedro is clueless, unless he slept with your sister or something.

I was almost positive you had died.