The Yankee Thread

[yankees228]

You could actually make a case Mauer has been better then Vlad this year ESP when you look at the positons they play. Mauer is more valuable IMO because he is producing a higher OPS then Vlad at catcher as opposed to a COF position. I'm not saying Vlad is a bad player I'm just saying Mauer has been better then Vlad THIS SEASON.

 

Completely agreed, what Mauer is doing, being a catcher, is pretty extroadinary. However, he is a number three hitter, and regardless of what position he is playing, he is not putting up the production numbers that extremely good 3 and 4 hitters, such as Vlad, normally put up. His 10 HR's and 70 or so RBI's can not even contend with Vlad. I'm not comparing them based on position, I am comparing them based on spot in the order. Also, I understand that Vlad is hitting fourth this year. The reason that I am referring to him as a 3 hitter is because that is what he hit last year and I was comparing the '05 Angels to the '06 Twins.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Completely agreed, what Mauer is doing, being a catcher, is pretty extroadinary. However, he is a number three hitter, and regardless of what position he is playing, he is not putting up the production numbers that extremely good 3 and 4 hitters, such as Vlad, normally put up. His 10 HR's and 70 or so RBI's can not even contend with Vlad. I'm not comparing them based on position, I am comparing them based on spot in the order. Also, I understand that Vlad is hitting fourth this year. The reason that I am referring to him as a 3 hitter is because that is what he hit last year and I was comparing the '05 Angels to the '06 Twins.

All true also when I compare Mauer and Vlad this season Vlad's 2006 season happens to be one of his worst seasons in the majors. So Mauer is having a better year then Vlad in what might be Vlads worse season. Is kinda like people in NY comparing A-Rod to David Wright. Wright is have a comparable year only because A-Rod happens to be having his worst season.

[yankees228]

All true also when I compare Mauer and Vlad this season Vlad's 2006 season happens to be one of his worst seasons in the majors. So Mauer is having a better year then Vlad in what might be Vlads worse season. Is kinda like people in NY comparing A-Rod to David Wright. Wright is have a comparable year only because A-Rod happens to be having his worst season.

 

Good point about Vlad. I guess, statistically, this had been one of his worst seasons, but considering all the injuries that have plagued that team, he is one of the big reasons they are still remotely in contention. Thinking about it more, comparing Vlad to Mauer is something you really can't do. Like you said, Vlad has done it year after year, and this is only Mauer's second full season. But they are also completely different players. With that being said, I'll be very curious to see what happens to Mauer's power numbers over the next 5 or so years.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Good point about Vlad. I guess, statistically, this had been one of his worst seasons, but considering all the injuries that have plagued that team, he is one of the big reasons they are still remotely in contention. Thinking about it more, comparing Vlad to Mauer is something you really can't do. Like you said, Vlad has done it year after year, and this is only Mauer's second full season. But they are also completely different players. With that being said, I'll be very curious to see what happens to Mauer's power numbers over the next 5 or so years.

I think Mauer has 20-25 HR potential. Hes not going to be Mike Piazza. The power is usually the last thing to come for young players.

[Optimist]

What's that picture in your avatar? I'm trying to make it out, but can't.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

What's that picture in your avatar? I'm trying to make it out, but can't.

Its a Red Sox fan with a bag over his head. Priceless

[Optimist]

Originally I thought it was one of the Red Sox pitchers in the bullpen.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Originally I thought it was one of the Red Sox pitchers in the bullpen.

Outside of Paplebon they all should wear bags over their heads.

[BoSox34]

All true also when I compare Mauer and Vlad this season Vlad's 2006 season happens to be one of his worst seasons in the majors. So Mauer is having a better year then Vlad in what might be Vlads worse season. Is kinda like people in NY comparing A-Rod to David Wright. Wright is have a comparable year only because A-Rod happens to be having his worst season.

 

Comparisons are drawn between the two NY third basemen for a reason. A-Rod is the highest paid player in baseball, while Wright made a mere $374,000 this season, however this huge difference in salary does not translate to statistics. A-Rod is not in the top 10 in the AL of average or homers and is in a 3 way tie for 10th in RBI's...nevermind the AL, he doesn't even lead his team in either average, homers, or runs batted in. As of Aug. 29, David Wright's batting average is 15 points higher, he has only 6 less homers, and the same amount of RBI's. David Wright plays good defense while A-Rod shares the lead for errors in the American League. A-Rod is hated by not only fans of rival teams, but also by many fans of his own team. David Wright is a fan favorite and his personality has been praised by many baseball writers. That is why there are comparisons drawn between the two.

[Jon_Papelboner]

No game tonight.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Comparisons are drawn between the two NY third basemen for a reason. A-Rod is the highest paid player in baseball, while Wright made a mere $374,000 this season, however this huge difference in salary does not translate to statistics. A-Rod is not in the top 10 in the AL of average or homers and is in a 3 way tie for 10th in RBI's...nevermind the AL, he doesn't even lead his team in either average, homers, or runs batted in. As of Aug. 29, David Wright's batting average is 15 points higher, he has only 6 less homers, and the same amount of RBI's. David Wright plays good defense while A-Rod shares the lead for errors in the American League. A-Rod is hated by not only fans of rival teams, but also by many fans of his own team. David Wright is a fan favorite and his personality has been praised by many baseball writers. That is why there are comparisons drawn between the two.

If A-Rod was having the year he had last season there would be no comparison. In fact if A-Rod were having his regular season there still would be no comparison. David Wright will be lucky to have the career A-Rod has had and is going to have.

[BoSox34]

If A-Rod was having the year he had last season there would be no comparison. In fact if A-Rod were having his regular season there still would be no comparison. David Wright will be lucky to have the career A-Rod has had and is going to have.

 

I agree that when it's all said and done, A-Rod's stats will be better, but I'm just saying that people are making comparisons for more reasons than the fact that they're both NY third basemen. People weren't comparing A-Rod to Ty Wigginton in 2004...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I agree that when it's all said and done, A-Rod's stats will be better, but I'm just saying that people are making comparisons for more reasons than the fact that they're both NY third basemen. People weren't comparing A-Rod to Ty Wigginton in 2004...

I understand, I'm just saying those comparisons are valid only because A-Rod is having his worst season.

[Jon_Papelboner]

A rod has had the most AB's with RISP, yet is only 10th in the league in RBI's.

[BoSox34]

A rod has had the most AB's with RISP, yet is only 10th in the league in RBI's.

 

That stat says a lot.

[ARod2212]

A-Rod is hated by not only fans of rival teams, but also by many fans of his own team.

I really don't think there are Yankee fans who out and out hate A-Rod. They're just tired of him not coming through. I've said it before, if he contributes to a World Series, it all goes away.

[Jon_Papelboner]

I really don't think there are Yankee fans who out and out hate A-Rod. They're just tired of him not coming through. I've said it before, if he contributes to a World Series, it all goes away.

oh there are, I'm not one of them, but there are yankee fans that hate everything about him. I just hate the player cause he's not doing anything.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

Yeah there are some idiots who think they can't like both Jeter and Arod. I was out watching a yanks red sox game a while ago, maybe june, and there was this group of guys who just wouldn't get off Arods back. I asked them what they had against him and this one guy answered for the group, "I'm a Jeter guy." The statement thoroughly confused me. I don't understand that logic at all, but its out there.

[a700hitter]

Yeah there are some idiots who think they can't like both Jeter and Arod. I was out watching a yanks red sox game a while ago, maybe june, and there was this group of guys who just wouldn't get off Arods back. I asked them what they had against him and this one guy answered for the group, "I'm a Jeter guy." The statement thoroughly confused me. I don't understand that logic at all, but its out there.

That's really nutty.

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah there are some idiots who think they can't like both Jeter and Arod. I was out watching a yanks red sox game a while ago, maybe june, and there was this group of guys who just wouldn't get off Arods back. I asked them what they had against him and this one guy answered for the group, "I'm a Jeter guy." The statement thoroughly confused me. I don't understand that logic at all, but its out there.

Maybe the guy is a bit disgruntled as a result of knownig his "guy" isn't the best shortstop on his own team? :dunno:

[Jon_Papelboner]

Maybe the guy is a bit disgruntled as a result of knownig his "guy" isn't the best shortstop on his own team? :dunno:

LOl, are you serious? A rod blows. He's far and away the best SS on the team this year.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

That's really nutty.

I can sense the sarcasm. It's not just that logic I'm confused by, it's every stupid reason people come up with. It's getting really annoying hearing about the bashing of Arod and hearing people taking pot shots at some of the most petty things. It's getting seriously old and frustrating to see Yankee fans more interested in listing every reason why Arod is a sissy instead of basking in the glory of being 7 games up from the Red Sox. I could understand the harsh criticism when the Yanks and Sox were within a game of each other, but now the topic should be graduated from top headlines on PTI and Around the Horn seeing as they aren't saying anything new and are just beating a dead horse. I honestly couldn't give two shits if the guy sees a therapist, if he puts his necklace in his mouth, if he is shirtless in central park (which is a sight i wish i saw), or if he wants to be liked.

 

 

/vent

[schillingouttheks]

LOl, are you serious? A rod blows. He's far and away the best SS on the team this year.

I think you can attribute some of his suckiness to the fact that he's playing third base. I don't care how comfortable he was at 3B last year. He's out of position. Look at the track records. Do you really think Jeter is the overall better SS on the Yankees?

[a700hitter]

I can sense the sarcasm. It's not just that logic I'm confused by, it's every stupid reason people come up with. It's getting really annoying hearing about the bashing of Arod and hearing people taking pot shots at some of the most petty things. It's getting seriously old and frustrating to see Yankee fans more interested in listing every reason why Arod is a sissy instead of basking in the glory of being 7 games up from the Red Sox. I could understand the harsh criticism when the Yanks and Sox were within a game of each other, but now the topic should be graduated from top headlines on PTI and Around the Horn seeing as they aren't saying anything new and are just beating a dead horse. I honestly couldn't give two shits if the guy sees a therapist, if he puts his necklace in his mouth, if he is shirtless in central park (which is a sight i wish i saw), or if he wants to be liked.

 

 

/vent

I wasn't being sarcastic. I think it is really nutty that some Yankee fans are choosing up sides between Jeter and ARod.

[Jon_Papelboner]

I think you can attribute some of his suckiness to the fact that he's playing third base. I don't care how comfortable he was at 3B last year. He's out of position. Look at the track records. Do you really think Jeter is the overall better SS on the Yankees?

Defensively, no. A rod has better range. As far as offensively, a rod might have better stats for his career, but if I needed a hit in a big spot, I'd go with Jeter. Even if A rod was still in texas. I just think Jeter can handle the pressure better.

[schillingouttheks]

So if you had to choose between A-Rod and Jeter, you'd pick Jeter?

[Jon_Papelboner]

So if you had to choose between A-Rod and Jeter, you'd pick Jeter?

If I really needed a hit, yes. If I really needed a strikeout or a GIDP, A rod would be first priority.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

It looks like there is one Yankee that wants to come back:

 

 

Matsui Ready to Take His Bat Out of Mothballs

By TYLER KEPNER

Published: August 30, 2006

While Carl Pavano twists in a seemingly endless injury cycle, another Yankee, Hideki Matsui, will take an important step in his recovery today.

 

“In terms of being pain-free, that’s something I feel good about and very satisfied,” Matsui said through Kahlon. “I’m still working on my mechanics.”

 

Batting practice is only one test; checking his swing in a game situation, Manager Joe Torre said, will be another challenge. If he feels good in the cage, though, Matsui may still have time to play in the minors before returning. The Yankees have at least one affiliate playing through Sept. 7.

 

Torre said it was realistic to expect Matsui back in the lineup, though to minimize risk, he seems most likely not to play in the field. Melky Cabrera has been a stellar defensive left fielder.

 

“We could probably D.H. him at some point,” Torre said of Matsui. “I think that’s probably the safest thing to do.”

 

Torre was less optimistic about the return of Gary Sheffield, who is recovering from surgery in June to repair a torn ligament in his left hand.

 

“It’s remote, but he’s feeling good, and he said he’s doing all his exercises,” Torre said. “Hopefully the doctor will turn him loose.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/30/sports/baseball/30pins.html?_r=1&oref=login

[Mr Crunchy]

gimme 9 matsuis and i'd rule the world

 

f***ing guy breaks his wrist diving for a ball

THEN HE APOLOGIZES TO HIS TEAMMATES??

this is what we call honor and commitment my friends

 

think sheff or arod would apologize??

or manny for that matter??

[Optimist]

http://espn.go.com/i/page2/photos2/pavano_op.jpg