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[Fisk]

End of a very good season for the Celtics. Looking forward to what should be a very interesting offseason.

[cp176]

End of a very good season for the Celtics. Looking forward to what should be a very interesting offseason.

 

It was an enjoyable season. The first one I have paid much attention to in quite some time. I too am anxious to see what they do during the off season. have to say though that I hope that it doesn't include a play for C. Anthony.

[Fisk]

It was an enjoyable season. The first one I have paid much attention to in quite some time. I too am anxious to see what they do during the off season. have to say though that I hope that it doesn't include a play for C. Anthony.

 

I'd be very surprised if they go after Carmello. Draft Fultz, go all out for Heyward, and trade for an interior defender and rebounder.

[cp176]

I'd be very surprised if they go after Carmello. Draft Fultz, go all out for Heyward, and trade for an interior defender and rebounder.

 

I agree with this. I'm not sure who that interior defender and rebounder might be. Fultz, Heyward and one more good tough big one and we are on the way.

[Jasonbay44]

This Warriors team isn't even fun to watch. I can't believe a team actually has two MVPs and 4 all stars in one lineup. This is so lame.

[cp176]

This Warriors team isn't even fun to watch. I can't believe a team actually has two MVPs and 4 all stars in one lineup. This is so lame.

 

I agree with you here but I sure wasn't complaining when we had Bird, McHale, Parrish, DJ, and Danny with big Bill coming off the bench. Celtics of the 60's were pretty sweet as well.

[Bellhorn04]

This Warriors team isn't even fun to watch. I can't believe a team actually has two MVPs and 4 all stars in one lineup. This is so lame.

 

I don't disagree. The one thing that's sort of ironic is that Lebron is the guy who sort of paved the way for what Durant did when he 'took his talents to South Beach' to hook up with Wade and Bosh.

[Spudboy]

The days of building a team like Red did it are gone, I guess.

 

This NBA Championship holds no interest for me.

 

All I hear or see is talk about how Lebron is the greatest player of all time or how if he wins this series he will surpass Jordan and such nonsense. And talk of the Warriors being the greatest team of all time.

 

All of it is just ******** designed to get clicks and generate money for those who profit from this industry.

 

Most old time fans of the game look at this s*** and shake their heads.

 

Pretty soon you all will be watching a real version of Running Man and you won't know how it all came to be.

[cp176]

Not sure I will ever watch a version of Running Man wtf it is. All things change don't they. Kind of like the over emphasis on data collection in baseball for me. About Red - I loved him but I'm a New Englander and a forever Celtics fan. i'm not sure that anyone outside of New England gets to excited about the way Red conducted his BB business. From heat in the visitor's locker rooms to cigars on the bench to helping to re-write the rules on the way players could be drafted. In our estimation, he was always one step ahead for sure.

[Spudboy]

Not sure I will ever watch a version of Running Man wtf it is. All things change don't they. Kind of like the over emphasis on data collection in baseball for me. About Red - I loved him but I'm a New Englander and a forever Celtics fan. i'm not sure that anyone outside of New England gets to excited about the way Red conducted his BB business. From heat in the visitor's locker rooms to cigars on the bench to helping to re-write the rules on the way players could be drafted. In our estimation, he was always one step ahead for sure.

 

Running Man is an Arnold Movie. It is worth your time to watch.

 

Red was a giant prick as well. He yelled profane words at me once at the Garden as I attempted to sit where I should not have been sitting. He was sitting there talking to Don Cheyney's Wife about an hour before a game. I tried to sit down about ten rows in front of them and he erupted "Get the f*** out of there. You don't belong there!"

 

Lol.

[a700hitter]

The days of building a team like Red did it are gone, I guess.

 

This NBA Championship holds no interest for me.

 

All I hear or see is talk about how Lebron is the greatest player of all time or how if he wins this series he will surpass Jordan and such nonsense. And talk of the Warriors being the greatest team of all time.

 

All of it is just ******** designed to get clicks and generate money for those who profit from this industry.

 

Most old time fans of the game look at this s*** and shake their heads.

 

Pretty soon you all will be watching a real version of Running Man and you won't know how it all came to be.

The NBA is a joke. The Warriors added one of the best players in the game, Durant to the best regular season team of all time. The only team that can compete is the Cavaliers. Below the Cavaliers there are a few Western Conference teams that are good teams. The rest of the league and the whole Eastern Conference sans the Cavs are doormats. The league is a joke. Durant is going to pat himself on the back for winning a Championship as a hired gun on an All Star team. Whenever Lebron goes somewhere he brings along with him a core of All Stars. He did it in Miami and in Cleveland. Big whoop.

[cp176]

Running Man is an Arnold Movie. It is worth your time to watch.

 

Red was a giant prick as well. He yelled profane words at me once at the Garden as I attempted to sit where I should not have been sitting. He was sitting there talking to Don Cheyney's Wife about an hour before a game. I tried to sit down about ten rows in front of them and he erupted "Get the f*** out of there. You don't belong there!"

 

Lol.

 

Running Man it is (rainy day as usual)

[Spudboy]

Running Man it is (rainy day as usual)

 

I love the part Jesse The Body has in this movie. lol

 

Almost as good as "I ain't got time to bleed".

[Thunder]

I watched 1 game of these Finals because it had no appeal to me whatsoever. I hate the Cavs, I hate the Warriors, and I hate Durant for leaving OKC. But, for all we know, these two teams are bound to meet in the Finals every year until 2020.

[Emp9]

just caught up on what the Celtics did on draft day, tradng down, getting Tatum and getting another #1 pick in either '18 ( if that pick is between #2-#5) or '19. They still have Nets' '18 #1 pick and I've herd there might be some big men to take in next year's draft. What's the overall feelings on this strategy here on talksox? I'll make it known, I trust Ainge a lot and if he thinks there's not much difference between Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson, etc. and they got who they were going to pick anyway at #1 or #3 and got another future #1 pick down the road, I'm fine with it.

[Spudboy]

just caught up on what the Celtics did on draft day, tradng down, getting Tatum and getting another #1 pick in either '18 ( if that pick is between #2-#5) or '19. They still have Nets' '18 #1 pick and I've herd there might be some big men to take in next year's draft. What's the overall feelings on this strategy here on talksox? I'll make it known, I trust Ainge a lot and if he thinks there's not much difference between Fultz, Ball, Tatum, Jackson, etc. and they got who they were going to pick anyway at #1 or #3 and got another future #1 pick down the road, I'm fine with it.

 

I saw one "expert" reporter graded the Celt's draft a "C+".

 

I agree with your view.

 

I don't see a big difference in any of these top picks. They are all 19 or so with one year of college ball.

 

None of them are likely to be impact players very soon. It's not like Spencer Haywood or Moses Malone were on the board.

 

No transformative players available. The Celts did about as well as can be expected with their selection.

 

We just have to see who on the current roster will remain and who the Celts grab in free agency and with trades.

 

Danny is not done. I too trust him to do what is best.

[cp176]

I saw one "expert" reporter graded the Celt's draft a "C+".

 

I agree with your view.

 

I don't see a big difference in any of these top picks. They are all 19 or so with one year of college ball.

 

None of them are likely to be impact players very soon. It's not like Spencer Haywood or Moses Malone were on the board.

 

No transformative players available. The Celts did about as well as can be expected with their selection.

 

We just have to see who on the current roster will remain and who the Celts grab in free agency and with trades.

 

Danny is not done. I too trust him to do what is best.

 

I agree with this too. Drafting any 19 year old AAU All Star is a huge gamble. One year of college basketball in no way prepares these guys for the next level. If I am going to draft any one and done, I probably would go after the one that came out of Duke even if it was for one year. Tatum has learned something. I like this kid and I don't think that we needed another (might be great someday) guard. Danny didn't get screwed by anyone who wanted to trade with us either.

[Emp9]

I saw one "expert" reporter graded the Celt's draft a "C+".

 

I agree with your view.

 

I don't see a big difference in any of these top picks. They are all 19 or so with one year of college ball.

 

None of them are likely to be impact players very soon. It's not like Spencer Haywood or Moses Malone were on the board.

 

No transformative players available. The Celts did about as well as can be expected with their selection.

 

We just have to see who on the current roster will remain and who the Celts grab in free agency and with trades.

 

Danny is not done. I too trust him to do what is best.

 

Some names to watch next season & for the 2018 draft: Mohamed Bamba, C, Texas, DeAndre Ayton, C, Arizona, and if there's a potential Power Forward among Michael Porter Jr., F, Missouri, Robert Williams, F, Texas A&M, Jaren Jackson Jr., F, Michigan State, Kevin Knox, F, Kentucky.

 

The '18 draft might not be as deep a draft, but it doesn't need to be if the Celts (may) have two very high picks.

[cp176]

latest rumor that I just read said that if the Celtics were able to sign Hayward, then a trade for Paul George very likely could be done with him signing a contract extension. If Danny could pull that one off, it would certainly get my attention.

[cp176]

and here comes gordon hayward folks - it's a shame no free agents want to play in boston! lol

Now the games really do begin!

[cp176]

People - fans - should do themselves a favor and read hayward's letter thanking the people of Utah and to the franchise in general. Refreshing to know that there are athletes like this out there and still coming to boston!

[Jasonbay44]

I don't really get what the Celtics are doing. Why give Crowder a ton of money, draft Brown and Tatum, then sign Hayward?

 

Still not good enough to beat Cleveland and have a lot of guys who play same position. They should've just drafted Fultz. He's gonna be a stud.

[Spudboy]

I don't really get what the Celtics are doing. Why give Crowder a ton of money, draft Brown and Tatum, then sign Hayward?

 

Still not good enough to beat Cleveland and have a lot of guys who play same position. They should've just drafted Fultz. He's gonna be a stud.

 

I have concerns as well but they don't exactly align with yours. For the record I think the Celts got the best player for a need. They need a wing man that can fill it up. I have not seen enough of any of the top picks to say for sure if Tatum is that guy but the Celts do not need another scoring guard. They need a wing man that can grab some rebounds and play D. Tatum seems the best fit given those criteria. Again, just my opinion. Maybe Fultz will be a stud. Big deal. I really doubt that this guy is another Clarence Glover.

 

What I don't like is what Danny will likely do to make cap space for Haywood. So far, Emir Johnson is gone, Tyler Zeller is gone ( but may be back ), Kelly Olynic is going to be gone even with the qualifier. They can renounce that. Danny will still need to make more cap space. Likely purges I have read will be Young, Green ( no big loses there ),Jerebko, Rozier, and here is the kicker, Marcus Smart. Talk is that Crowoder will be gone as well.

 

That is gutting a team any way you look at it. All for a guy who is primarily a shooter.

 

I reserve judgement until the dust settles. But I suspect that Stevens will have his work cut out for himself. This team, at this point, appears to be taking a step back. At least for the first 30-40 games of the new season. That is a lot of moving parts to coordinate and scheme for.

 

The Celts will likely remain near the top of the heap in the east but number 1 or conference champs look less likely this season.

 

In any case, the Celts are an interesting team.

 

By the way, having a bunch of players who do the same thing is part of the team's strength which is depth. With so many players likely gone I wonder if that depth will still be there.

Edited July 5, 2017 by Spudboy

[cp176]

The Hayward signing was a great sign by the Celtics. If the cost is Crowder and a few other complimentary players so be it. We might get a chance to see how good Brown can be. I hope they still find a way to keep Rozier but there is still plenty of depth, some of which is unnecessary, to get this team through. They got better. Heading in the right direction.

[Spudboy]

The Hayward signing was a great sign by the Celtics. If the cost is Crowder and a few other complimentary players so be it. We might get a chance to see how good Brown can be. I hope they still find a way to keep Rozier but there is still plenty of depth, some of which is unnecessary, to get this team through. They got better. Heading in the right direction.

 

The talk is both Rozier and Jackson will be gone as well as one of Bradly and Smart.

 

That does not leave any depth at all.

[cp176]

The talk is both Rozier and Jackson will be gone as well as one of Bradly and Smart.

 

That does not leave any depth at all.

 

Haven't read anything today really but what I heard was that the talk still centered around one of Crowder, Bradley, and Smart. If it is Crowder, we still have plenty of depth. He might not be 10 or 12 deep but Brown needs to be able to play more. If Rozier stays, no problem really for me if either Bradley or Smart (not both are gone as well). I feel about the same way about Rozier as I do Brown. Kid needs minutes. My guess is that they will be a solid 9 to 11 deep before it starts and that is all they need. To date we have lost no draft picks. For me it is a great day to be a Celtic fan.

[Jasonbay44]

I'm not a Celtics fan, so maybe one of you guys can educate me, but what is the obsession with Rozier? I've heard numerous people tell me how good he is and I don't really see it. I've watched him a lot and saw him play at Louisville and never saw him as a star or anything. He just seems like a decent bench guy/role player at best. His shot selection has always been questionable and he hasn't been able to make s*** so far in NBA. I just don't get it. I know he's "gritty" and hustles and all that, but does that really make him untouchable?

[cp176]

I'm not a Celtics fan, so maybe one of you guys can educate me, but what is the obsession with Rozier? I've heard numerous people tell me how good he is and I don't really see it. I've watched him a lot and saw him play at Louisville and never saw him as a star or anything. He just seems like a decent bench guy/role player at best. His shot selection has always been questionable and he hasn't been able to make s*** so far in NBA. I just don't get it. I know he's "gritty" and hustles and all that, but does that really make him untouchable?

 

I don't think that Rozier is untouchable. I saw him play as well at Louisville. I really like what he brings. I just think that he like some others needs minutes. The Celtics have done a very good job under Coach Steven's leadership but the duplication at most positionns although giving some strength in depth, i think has restricted the development of some of our younger players. I like Rozier's quickness . Depth is important don't get me wrong but once you go past 8 or 9 players in the NBA you might actually have too much.

[BstHcpr]

I have concerns as well but they don't exactly align with yours. For the record I think the Celts got the best player for a need. They need a wing man that can fill it up. I have not seen enough of any of the top picks to say for sure if Tatum is that guy but the Celts do not need another scoring guard. They need a wing man that can grab some rebounds and play D. Tatum seems the best fit given those criteria. Again, just my opinion. Maybe Fultz will be a stud. Big deal. I really doubt that this guy is another Clarence Glover.

 

What I don't like is what Danny will likely do to make cap space for Haywood. So far, Emir Johnson is gone, Tyler Zeller is gone ( but may be back ), Kelly Olynic is going to be gone even with the qualifier. They can renounce that. Danny will still need to make more cap space. Likely purges I have read will be Young, Green ( no big loses there ),Jerebko, Rozier, and here is the kicker, Marcus Smart. Talk is that Crowoder will be gone as well.

 

That is gutting a team any way you look at it. All for a guy who is primarily a shooter.

 

I reserve judgement until the dust settles. But I suspect that Stevens will have his work cut out for himself. This team, at this point, appears to be taking a step back. At least for the first 30-40 games of the new season. That is a lot of moving parts to coordinate and scheme for.

 

The Celts will likely remain near the top of the heap in the east but number 1 or conference champs look less likely this season.

 

In any case, the Celts are an interesting team.

 

By the way, having a bunch of players who do the same thing is part of the team's strength which is depth. With so many players likely gone I wonder if that depth will still be there.

 

Gordon Hayward is a top-15 player in the NBA. You don't keep rotation players when you have the chance to acquire someone like that. The Celtics should also be able to find some players on buyouts or second rounders in March too.

[cp176]

Gordon Hayward is a top-15 player in the NBA. You don't keep rotation players when you have the chance to acquire someone like that. The Celtics should also be able to find some players on buyouts or second rounders in March too.

 

I really love the signings of Baynes and Morris. Tough to lose Bradley but overall their depth with respect to what they really need just got a lot deeper.