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After watching noodlebat city in the playoffs last year, all these if you squint, you could have saw a - you know bottom half offense but not this bad....which means the problem wasnt the offense in the offseason rings hollow. We were projected 19 offense by some. So thats bottom 11. Okay we are bottom 3. WHen you go into the season with a bottom 10 offense and you wind up bottom 3, you dont get to claim bad luck. You set yourself up for it. The lesson here needs to be never again. Never again should we enter the season with anything but a top 10 offense, and we should really be striving to be top 1. Teams built around pitching and defense gets you what we have.

I would also argue their status as "starters"

yes, the problem with the weakest offense since the dead ball era is the bullpen

Adames has roughtly 150m in cash payouts, left on his deal. The proposed deal had the giants eating 20, so we would add 130m in salary, thereabouts. Duran has arb 3 and arb 4 left, and obviously a portion of his 7.7M remaining this year....so thats like 30m in future commitments. Bello has like 50m-ish in future commitments. So yes, this is net cash out by the red sox of about 50m. But its not a pure "get the player" trade, we are sending 2 and getting 1. But thats not even my question..... Why if we are trading Duran for Adames, we are using the excess value that Duran possesses to lesson the financial commitment to Adames? Instead of us getting as much baseball value out of Duran, we are instead using a significant amount of his excess value to get the giants to eat 20m off a recent FA signing (which is LOL in and of itself...How about instead of us signing free agent bats, you sign them then trade them to us eating some money and we'll flip you something back like I dont know, our best hitter of the last 3 years).....And we are also using it to dump Bello. This is more of the same. This is how we became last place larry. Its not a trade for offense. Its a trade of our best offensive player of the last 3 yrs for a different player who you think is a better positional fit and the excess value between our outgoing player who is getting sold (Duran) has over the incoming player (Adames) is getting used to clear some money off a recent FAs contract and salary dump Bello. MAX EFFICIENCY

A sprained ligament and a partially torn ligament overlap. Thats why medical professionals use a grading system of 1-to-4. 1 - minimal present structural damage, no tear - okay to call a sprain but you would probably say small sprain or minor sprain 2 - slight stress damage, slight tear - okay to call a sprain or a minor tear 3 - significant stress damage, partial tear. Significant tear but not complete - you would call this a "severe sprain" or a tear 4- complete rip - misleading to call a sprain, you would call it a "complete tear" Think like a rubber band. A stretch resulting by a snap back with no structural damage is no injury thats what a rubber band is designed to do. . But if that band/ligament stretches too far, and its now compromised, maybe its looser, but no rip can be seen, thats a 1. A slight rip at the edge would be a 2. A more severe rip would be a 3. A complete rip would be a 4. So Sam probably described Romans injury as a 1 or 2 when really its looking like its a 2.5. But thats not wrong, just a consequence from using laymen/non-exact colloquial terminology. Sam prob could have said "significant sprain" instead of "sprain" but thats not really something to call him a clown over. And also, it was Craig who fired Cora. So in that exchange with them contradicting each other, it was Breslow who is the clown. All of this is to say that Sam Kennedy can be a clown. But Breslow is full Bozo. Hes the real clown.

Youre asking the right questions, I can give you that

Yes, I wasnt trying to take Freds position that our playoff chances are 0%. That stuff is easily googleable and the model has us at like 27%. I was just trying to point out the humor that not only are we near the bottom of the AL, but we are near the bottom of a hilariously week AL. So we double suck. But I agree with everything here.

i dont even want to make the playoffs this way.

In terms of pure playoff chances, sure. Prob 27% thereabouts. If there were 2 wild card teams and the AL was average in terms of talent instead of the race to cut money that the al has become , we'd be at 7%

I dont even know what youd call 2 tiers below sucky but it is getting funny now. Hence the calls for Ward. Cuz we are entering "y not" territory

If the entire league sucks (and it does) and we are in last place, we dont suck. We are at least a couple full tiers down below suck. Cuz to suck in a sucky league, youd need to be middle of the pack. We are not middle of the pack. Its super embarrassing.

Im not sure exactly what you are trying to say , but yes, CWS does have a better roster than us.

whats up with you guys and gambling money with internet strangers.

Thats not the endorsement that you think it is

But a 90 win fourth place team.

Wait, we're buying now?

I remember falling in and out of love with Webster cuz he had a 99 mph sinkerball.

Where was VMArt playing? How did he fit in?

I think SF would take that trade. I dont understand why we are looking for trades that involve us getting recent free agents at a discount (the 20m eaten). Giants seem to want players. RS and their fans seem to want budget and payroll efficiency.

hes more of a sideshow than a LHB OFer.

who is starting? In any case, I can agree with this. This is like that soft sell that I am talking about. You trade IKF and move Durbin into a bench role. Why? Durbin is younger and still has pre-arb years and IKF is a pure band-aid. Right now , with IKFs hot streak at hte plate and ability to cover multiple positions, hes the type of guy that can get you something. Durbin is just plain selling low and giving away a guy with pre-arb years left who can at least field a position, so of the 2 , I think IKF makes a ton more sense as a "we are not selling. We are not throwing in the towel.....But we are going to start making some moves around the margins that suggest we're getting close to selling"

are you advocating for 5 bench players? I like it

I dont believe the last part. I think that most 23 yr olds will continue to get better working with hitting coaches. I dont think it needs to be MLB to improve. And I think that he will see plenty of MLB level pitches in AAA (and AAA level pitches in MLB). ALso, did you read yirsandy article? This team is terrible at punishing mistakes. So maybe some AAA at-bats will help with that. Lets learn how to crush meatballs before we start dismissing at-bats against the meatball mikes down in aaa.

Agree. But Mayer should have a clear path back, even in 2027. Durbin may have to get lucky with like an injury in front of him or something. Or get like really really really hot in AAA. I still view Mayer as an important part of our future. Maybe downgrade him to " a potentially important part of our future". Durbin is behind Sogard and IKF on the depth chart to me.

I understand wanting to shift playing time / at-bats towards younger players as we start a soft wind-down of competitiveness this year. Not saying we wont hit a winning streak and ramp back up, but I understand thinking "we arent throwing in the towel, but at the same time we're gonna start thinking about what it would look like to start prioritizing future over present" But one thing I always fall back to is that development isnt linear with playing time. In fact, I would argue that the correlation is overrated. Theres more to this than just promoting a bunch of 21 yr olds and thinking "if I just stick with them, by age 25 these guys will be great! I just gotta take the growing pains along the way and not stray" But the truth is that it doesnt work that way. I see this level of thinking in NFL. Sometimes, if a rookie or sophmore QB starts and then there is talk of moving on after, a lot of fans get uncomfortable on the wasted resources and time. Its depressing to accept that youve spent what 3 yrs getting this QB (first year tank for a pick, draft him high have him ride the bench and learn for a year, start year 2 and flop)....And that leads to a lot of homerish overrating of ones own youngsters. In this particular case, though, if we are talking about Mayer and Anthony. My gut right now is on the side of keepers (both). Mayer is 6'3 and fluid and I think that Anthony will become at least a very good hitter. But I also think that the benefits of playing time are overrated and Mayer specifically can still grow if he starts hitting lower in the order or getting benched for IKF/Sogard or even sent down. I do acknowledge that from what weve seen with like KC, Grissom....Its hard to come back from that. But I dont think that moving Mayer to bench or AAA is going to like ruin him.