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Worse pitchers are getting that, why wouldn’t he?

Wacha is old enough to where he might not ever see money like that again if he has a down season or gets injured. If he has a down season, he needs another to prove himself again. He’s turning down a QO, there’s about a 90% chance he does.

Steve Matz gets 4/44 Kikuchi gets 3/36 If a players of that caliber gets that kind of money do we really think something like that if not more will be there for both Nate and Wacha? Both should a QO, and if one accepts…great. We need a bunch of starters anyways.

Why would Wacha take 18 million when 36-45 will be on the table for him? He might never see money like that again. He rejects a QO, and that nets you pick if you don’t resign him.

Sox probably could have got JBJ for close to nothing and kept Renfroe. Hopefully Bloom learned his lesson from that one. I’ll give him credit, he’s made some pretty crafty moves here but this one completely blew up in his face. Hypothetically he could still win the trade if one of these prospects develops, but right now it doesn’t look so great. One of the worse trades I’ve seen in a very long time.

I think Blooms thinking was JBJ would be better than his 2021 and Renfroe wouldn't be as good. Renfroe would likely still be a little bit better but with JBJ's defense + the value of the prospects the Sox would ultimately come out on top. Not a terrible gamble when you consider their career norms. The problem is he ended up being wrong on all three fronts. JBJ was awful, Renfroe was amazing, and thus far the prospects don't look so great.

Well if another team DFAs him presumably he’s costing us nothing.

You know what's hilariously sad. If they had done just that, they probably would have claimed JBJ and stuck him in CF/RF or as a defensive replacement. Instead, they're the team paying him to not play here.

I trust soxprospects, and scouts in general. It was no secret his defense was pretty bad and I remember everyone (ok a few people) clamoring for him to be the next CFer because he had nice AAA numbers and he was fast. I remember a few people even saying he "passed the eye test" It's funny how everyone passes the eye test during their first game on TV after putting up good numbers in AAA.

That's optimal in the long run if you want to reset the cap, but if you want to get under the cap at some point in the next 1-3 years it could be completely counterproductive. If they want to live in LA land for a few years it could make sense to sign Verlander to short term deal and then not worry about spending the money to resign Devers.

It’s a calf injury, he’s expected back this year. I’d have general concerns out his age but he’s been extremely durable up until now.

If you only have one trade chip that you can realistically trade for a pitcher, your system is probably not strong enough to start depleting. The easy answer here is Mayer should be on the table, in that no one is ever untradeable for the right price. Yorke, Bleis, and Mata aren't slouches either.

It's weird. There's some really good guys out there like Verlander and Scherzer, both of which are still pitching amongst the best in all of baseball. But they will both be 38/40 next year and could literally fall off a cliff. Then there's Degrom who has stated he wants to be the first 50 million dollar pitcher. He's going to get paid, but good luck with that. To be fair, If I was willing to pay Judge it might make more sense to be willing to dish out the money to Degrom. Maybe Verlander is good for another 3 years.

Surprisingly was a similar spot they were in last year and everyone criticized Blooms moves and then the Sox went on a run. One could ponder if a similar situation would have happened with a cleaner bill of health.

They always say you can never have enough pitching. I think Sales arm is fine and his recent rash of injuries has been flukier, they may like the medicals on Paxton too, still you have to figure you only get 32 starts between those guys, if you get more awesome. I think they can easily fill the 5th hole with Bello/Cutter+ 3 is a stretch, but I think the Sox need to bring in two guys one of which may be Nate or Wacha.

I mean I would prefer to trade others for an ACE and keep the guy who you figure to MLB ready, and fill a hole in the diamond next year but yeah by no means is that delusional.

Sox are 3rd in the AL in runs scored.....they should have asked for pitching in return

Is that really true? They are 3rd in the AL in runs scored, they are 2nd in runs allowed....as in the second most runs allowed. yes, pitching has been by far their largest problem.

I've seen some pretty insane takes here but saying that prospects don't get traded for MLB players is just pretty crazy. And then to say they were not legit prospects on any scouting sites at the time (When they were legitimately on every site) is just...well absurd.

I never said he didn't, and that's exactly why he holds value to a team that still has to throw a guy out there every 5th day if they're trading away a pitcher. Sometimes Prospects for star deals also involve other MLB players exchanging teams. If I'm trading a guy like Pivetta, it's because he's packaged up with prospects to get a better pitcher back in return. Of course, everything is relative to the other team's budget and needs...maybe that team needs a first baseman, we could give them a free one.

You're delusional dude and your opinion is 100% hindsight and based on erroneous and absurd claims. Which I suppose one has to do when they have ZERO argument. Please present evidence that Moncadas stock was driven by his agent???? Kopech was also ranked highly as well. At the time of the trade Moncada was ranked top 5 by all of MLB.com/BA/BP Kopech was 16/32/36 respectively. Are you seriously making the argument that teams don't trade minor league prospects for good MLB players? like what literally happens all the time just doesn't magically happen in your book. So guys never get traded. I get having a difference of opinion, or not wanting something to happen and there's nothing wrong with that but what we have here is you just denying reality. Maybe I misread your original statement but you left me with the impression that top prospects do not get traded for star MLB talent. That's just flat-out wrong. Pedro Martinez traded for Top Prospect Carl Pavano. Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez were traded for Josh Beckett. Red Sox traded Casey Kelly for Adrian Gonzelz. And these are just Red Sox examples off the top of my head.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but when a guy like Pivetta is untradeable.....you know your pitching sucks.

But you're giving up 6 prospects, taking Casas out of your lineup, and putting Hosmer in. Getting Bednar back is nice, but if I'm giving up that much of our prospect currency I'm getting starting pitching back in return. Pitching was so much more the problem than the offense this year. To me Casas is more untradeable than Mayer, that's not to say that I think he will be better and I'd expect the world back for Mayer and that's not say I'd trade him but I'm very skeptical about trading a guy who you hope to be in your lineup next year and who you also hope to eventually be a middle of the order bat.

Way too short of a sample size, but catchers are notorious for developing late, and McGuire has the D to be a big league catcher. This Broadway kid looks like he could have the stuff to be a bullpen stud if everything breaks right. Would be assume This turned out to be like the heathclifd slocumb trade 2.0

any of those guys are capable of playing LF/DH