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From the beginning of the season that's the jump. Wong jumped 3, Lugo 2 spots, and Perales 4 from the last update. So those guys are still moving up. The biggest droppers were Connor Seabold down 12 spots and Gilberto Jiminez down 13

I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong. I withdraw my argument and formally apologize to iortiz.

I guess ERA varys wildly from year to year by about a whole RUN when you look at it year to year. 4.50 could be above average one year, and below average the next year.

don't bother, found it. Porcello sucks.

Can you post a link to that please, I'll concede if wrong.

Porcello had one great season, two seasons that were borderline good, and two bad seasons. It's what it's.

Soxprospects Rankings have been updated Mayer Casas Bello Yorke Bleis Rafaella Mata Walter Romero Paulino Anthony Murphy Wong Valdez Gonzelez Jordan Ward Lugo Perales Hickey That's the top 20, the only real change in the top ten was Rafaella jumping over Mata and Walter

So the average ERA is 4.5 and to you that's a #5 starter. That's just not a realistic position.

If you know how to use it? how many different way can you use it if you're ONLY using just that. And as I clearly stated even by that metric you're off. In a season where he had an above-average ERA you called him bad. Please explain to me how you can have an above average ERA and be bad. Cocky or not, doesn't change the fact that that's senseless.

Jumping from AA to the majors in one season isn’t rare, but I wouldn’t say it’s common either. If Bello looks like garbage at the end of next year I’ll start to be concerned. Start. I think we get spoiled with the likes of Devers and Betts and we forget that most guys don’t bust into the bigs as phenoms at 21, Bello isn’t going to be that level of good. But I think he has a very good chance of being a #3 Take a guy like Lester, he busted into the bigs at 22, but he didn’t become a staple above average pitcher in the rotation until his 3rd season at 24. Bellow should be fine. Time will tell

Well it’s Boston, if you’re not a CY young, or hitting 30 HRs you’re garbage here.

An ERA lower than the league average by definition is good. If something is better than average then by definition it can't be bad. 2019 was a pretty good season too.

Let me correct myself, he's pitched at three levels this year. He started the season in Portland.

ERA for a starting pitcher alone is a horrible gauge. Also the average ERA is about 4.50 so calling a 4.65 "horrible" is a pretty big stretch. Even his 2016 season isn't that bad. 2020/2021 was pretty bad.

That's actually a great comparison, Story hasn't been bad when healthy, just a little subpar from his career norms. I can see him having a phenomenal next 2-3 seasons here.

I think you need to know who your closer and set up man is out of the bullpen, and you hope Barnes regains his old self and then you can throw him in the mix with those two guys to not burn them out.

23 is still pretty young, he will also be 23 to start next season. Bello advanced at least a level each season he's been in the system, actually two levels his first year, two his 3rd year, and 3 this year. He signed at 18, two years older than the typical IFA prospect and missed an entire year due to covid. All things considered, he's flown through the system. He also struggled, not a lot but a little at Portland when he first arrived in 2021 then he adjusted quickly and became dominant. His stuff has ticked up and improved every year he's been in the system. Given a clean bill of health, he could be a regular in the rotation at some point next season.

Oh you better believe he'd be bashed for trading JD and Eovaldi. That would have been a clear sign of giving up. Unfortunately, Bloom is in a "damned if you do damned if you don't seat" maybe it's deserving, maybe it's not. If the Sox bounces back with a 95 win season next year his seat is going to cool down a lot, but at this point here's going to be a very vocal crowd of Bostonians that will always dislike him no matter what he does now. That's just the nature of fans.

it comes without saying that additions to the bullpen would look pretty darn good to improve things, but looking internally a bounce back from Matt Barnes would really go a long way. He's been pretty good in the month of august since coming back and if you took away his appearance on the 30th he's been really good. Can't bank on him at this point, but I would love to see him be an important piece of the 2023 bullpen.

I never understood the hate for Agon. I know a lot of people had a problem with the comments he said about things "not being in gods plan" and that just never sat right with me. I'm probably the biggest atheist out there and I took no offense to that, growing up around religious people that's just how they think and process many events. It was in no way an indictment on his effort or desire to win, but rather a reflection on his beliefs, which even though I didn't share I respected. J.D. Drew was another one that got way too much criticism, I think if I remember correctly people didn't like his personality. Not that he was a bad, rude or mean person but rather that he acted like he didn't care. I just saw him as a level-headed, calm down to earth guy. Adjusted for inflation today it would be like signing a guy to a 20 million-dollar-a-year contract. If we got that guy today and he hit a .825 OPS with plus defense in the right field we'd be pretty darn happy. He underperformed a little in his first/last year of the deal and it came to light he was dealing with some heavy family stuff off the field with his kid. But he played at an all-star level in 2008/2009.

How much is 60 games from an all star really worth? The Sox most certainly got the best deal they could from a guy who had given every indication he was going to FA.

Injuries are no excuse, this bullpen should have been great. Next man up!!!

Anyone who expected that is just not realistic at all. Imagine the outrage if we have up Marcelo Mayer for a rental this year? Sure no one is untradeable, but there’s a difference between trading for a shortened season of Betts and 2 years of Betts, or even 3. It would be like trading Devers this off-season, we wouldn’t get as sweet of a package as we’d have received if we traded him this offseason. It takes two to tango and the other team knows what they’re trading for.

We are also seeing more and more teams willing to spend, taking away the Sox competitive advantage. With the amount of money coming in, the market for it, and a rapid fan base, I hope Henry is thinking about opening up his wallet.

I thought I read somewhere that player salaries in baseball have been pretty stagnant for a while. It's the all star mega deal guys that are getting the increase in payroll expenditures. Agents seem to be doing a good job for the best players but not for most if that's true.