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The Sox were two games away from a world series, so I think they plan on being competitive in 2022. They stayed under the luxury tax limit in 2021, now the new CBA could have huge implications but all things considered, this "reset" puts Bloom in a position where ownership is ok with him going over the luxury tax for the right guys. We have better organizational depth than we've had in years, some top hitters coming up in the pipeline, and a very deep FA class up the middle. We might see a big splash or two this offseason, but the odds are Bloom is going to pull off a bunch of smaller and mid-level moves that will ultimately improve this team but people will hate because it's not Carlos Correra. Bloom understands it's not just about your best player, but it's also about having a better 24th, 25th, and 26th player on your team than the competition. I expect a better product on the field than 2021.

agree, it won't be permanent, but I think it will be interesting this year.

I don't think A guy makes for a poster boy unless more follow. If one or two position players are selected from A ball this year that might be something but I wouldn't be calling him a poster boy for selecting A level position players unless it actually starts happening in droves. We will see, we're' going to find out relatively soon.

How? because every single one of them were in the same exact boat. Taking a year off from baseball after playing in low A, and then reporting back in 2021 to play in high A against everyone else who also missed a year is a far reach from. Hey, lets jump 4 levels, sit on the bench for a year after a whole year of missing development for 2 missed years out of 3. There's a very stark difference between missing one year vs. missing two. That's a lot of developmental time lost

Defense seems to be the Achilles heal of Yorke. If this dude was a good defender he might be in #1 prospect of baseball territory, the man can hit.

That just seems very unlikely, you're effectively giving a player a lost year one year after having a lost year due to no minor league season. If anything, this is not the year you reach for a guy in A ball. Especially seeing how the lost year has created a boatload of older players in AA/AAA who could probably help other teams now.

How can someone who isn't playing turn into something? That's like saying I'm training for a muscleman competition by sitting on the couch and eating twinkies all year and hopefully I get bigger and lose weight. Even the example M oon gave, at least Baddoo played, a pitcher you can stash in the bullpen and have him throw bullpen sessions and still develop his stuff. A position player can't not develop on the bench. Which makes taking a prospect who is particularly toolsy, and NOT polished extremely unlikely from the low A level.

1.) What baseball people? You can have 20 different takes all taking root from the same source. Sometimes guys just look at a list and look at the ranking and say "oh he's a good prospect, they should protect him" without any real insight. 2.) Baddoo is 1, I'm still not convinced this is a regular occurrence. Also, there is low A and high A, a big difference. Are you telling me all the players taking in rule 5 from low A are position players? And if they were 100% doesn't tell me anything. It could be 100% of 1 player or 100% of 100 players. Big difference. 3.) Jimenez could be taken, there's a probability of that happening. How high is it? well, it's probably better than an asteroid striking our planet today but I'd say it's more probable than not he's NOT taken. There's a difference between something happening, and something happening all the time. The desert gets precipitation, but you won't see me arguing about how it MIGHT rain in the Sahara today. Yes, the extra roster spot makes things more intriguing, it changes things at the top, but it doesn't change players timelines and their development. I don't think we will see an increase of A ball players taken in Rule V drafts, and if we do.......my money is on more pitchers than position players being taken.

1.) What question are you talking about? I apologize but I just don't really care to scroll back, ask again and I promise I will answer. 2.) How many of those "single A" players are LOW A Position players? Why are we talking about Jiminez so much? could it be because of his prospect ranking? If this did happen to the Sox system with a lower level prospect my guess would be a team takes someone like Ceddanne Rafaela, who would add more value to a MLB team now because he can field his position great.

I already critiqued my position. Admittedly I was being hyperbolic, highly unlikely is more accurately. It certainly does not command this level of conversation. A singular example doesn’t move me, guys like Jimenez being taken every year does. Even if that was the case, this would not be the year for it. We’re still seeing the residual effects of COVID-19 and the lost year. There will be a plethora of talent with a closer proximity to the bigs than Jimenez. I would be shocked if he was picked, I will eat my socks if he’s picked and sticks.

The fact that something could happen, or that something seldom happens is weak. Think of it this way, you’re not going to pitch Raphael Devers a healthy diet of fastballs down the middle because sometimes he doesn’t hit them. Baseball is a game of the sum of all its parts, roster construction is no different. Is it plausible what you’re saying bears fruit, and I’m being a little extreme calling it impossible? Yes, but again, why pitch Devers down the middle. It’s extremely unlikely Gilberto doesn’t get selected, I would be more worried about losing guys closer to the majors. Let’s think about why the rule 5 draft exists, to prevent teams from stashing talent and ensuring mlb talent reaches the majors. That’s a two way street which is why teams have to keep a guy on their rosters. Let’s also consider not all players are created equal, and not everyone’s progression is linear and equal as well. One .750 a ball hitter is not equivalent to another .750 hitter. Some guys may be closer to the majors than others Gilberto is specifically considered a very raw prospect with more tools than production right now. He’s the type of prospect you dream on but who specifically needs lots of developmental time to develop. In the rare occasions that players get selected and make the jump they almost certainly do not fit Gilbertos profile.

It’s not happening Moon. It’s not one of your greatest takes, you don’t have to defend everyone.

I think I’m failing to make my point so I’ll be more direct. There’s almost a 100% chance someone like Jimenezs development gets screwed up playing at the MLB level. If what you’re saying materializes it’ll happen with a pitcher, not a hitter. Player development hasn’t changed, the gap in talent between low a and MLB hasn’t changed. No one is wasting a spot for Jimenez in 2022, and if they did it would be to work out a trade.

Jimenez is not even close to as good as the 26th man on any teams roster. Do we think the gap in talent between low A, High A, AA, and AAA is marginal? Take any team, give me there worse position player in the bigs and he’ll put up a better OPS in A ball than Jimenez did. The gap in talent at levels isn’t make believe. So it’s not just about wasting a roster spot, it’s about wasting a rule 5 pick.

The point you keep coming back to is purely hypothetical, how many GMs (since rosters expanded) have elected to reach for a low A player? Regardless, 26 man, 25 man, 100 man, it doesn’t change how athletes develop. If a team likes Jimenez that much, why are they going to stunt his growth and ruin his value and future? If a team liked Jimenez that much they’re just going to trade for him.

Can’t sign if the CBA expires.

It’s not ideal, it’s counterproductive. You’re an unrefined toolsy prospect in A ball. You’re not getting better by being a defensive sub and bench at bats. Jimenez needs at bats at a comparable level to develop. Teams do what you’re talking about with a guy at the AAA level, doing it to Jimenez would only stunt his growth and waste a roster spot. It’s not a real risk losing him, it’s not logical that a team stashes him for a full year.

This has got to be the worse take on Bloom I have ever read.

This. You either play Jimenez or you sit him. Either way you’re ruining his development. Teams often select guys in the rule 5 who they believe can help a mlb club. Who takes we takes Jimemez and sits him on the bench all year? Who takes Jimenez and watches him ops .350 3 levels higher than he should be? If he was a pitcher, who had one elite pitch and a team figures he can get a guy or two out here and there while developing his stuff in the bullpen that type of jump is possible. But he’s a position player with raw talent. Not refined talent, but raw talent. He needs consistency at an appropriate level to develop. Again, he’s not getting drafted.

Gilberto was just too far away to be a real threat. And if it was closer than it is this would still be the year. Remember, every teams farm is going through the same thing and there’s a ton of talent with missed development time. It’s a deep rule 5 with AAAA talent that might stick and could really help teams. I hope we steal someone great from the Yankees again.

I think you're looking way to much into this, Notin is right. You assume way to much of the worse. The new CBA still looms overhead and salaries could actually go down, Erod might have jumped at the best offer out there that also gives him an opt out in 2 years if he can make more. He also knows that the Sox focus on spending money is going to be on extensions for guys like Bogaerts, and Devers. The money won't be there for him. The Sox are going to spend money.

Actually there's some confusion here on my part still. But I believe the compensation comes after the 2nd competitive balance round, which would put the pick somewhere around 75.

So it's after the first competitive balance pick round and before the 2nd? That actually sounds more correct. Even better!!!

$2.6 million more for just one year. He also has an opt-out after 2023.

$15 million per plus a 1st round draft pick.