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Remember when Dave got credit for not trading the right guys? I suppose that was only for Dave. Also, Blooms first year here the draft went from 40 to 4 rounds. Regardless it’s too early to Judge blooms drafts, but early returns are looking good.

I’d bet my sons life DD never even heard of Bello and Rafaela. Now Casas? He gets full credit for that. People in his position always have their hands on the first pick. But after that it’s all underneath them. Rafaela and Bello got less than 50k each. They were nobody’s, pleasant surprises from an international draft class.

Haha exhibit 1.a

A good boss takes all the blame whether or not it’s his fault. An intelligent fan base can acknowledge there’s plenty of slices of blame pie to pass around.

Applauded? Here you go again making up arguments. “when you have no argument you need to make one up”. master Jedi supreme commander of the universe.

Us DOBs (defenders of Bloom) are well within the gripes of that what was a Bloom and DD, and Charrington regimes. We just understand that the results of a team are the results of its roster, which typically expand across many regimes. The Sox came within 2 games of a World Series last year, if they had won it, we’d have acknowledge Dave deserved at least partial credit for those teams, the same way Ben Charrington had his stamp on Dave’s teams. As a matter of fact the teams Dave won with where HEAVILY built by Ben C. Really the big move that pushed them over the edge may have been Chris Sale, it was also Dave who extended him which seems like a Bone head move now, but any ramifications from that seem to be solely on Bloom. Next year, is perhaps the first year the team will be more Blooms than Daves, at least inarguably. No one denys next year is make or break. No one denys Bloom doesn’t deserve any criticism. We just don’t live in a singular black and white world were everything had to be one persons fault. The world is very grey. You guys can come over to this grey are. It’s ok, you’d have to agree with us, you can keep all your same viewpoints in this grey area….you just have to admit everything isn’t black and white.

Didn’t realize you could decipher hyperventilating through internet posts? If anything….THAT is hyperbole. But it’s a free country, you’re free to sling mud in place of actual well structured arguments all you’d like. The proof is in the pudding, they weren’t “nothing” moves they were depth moves. And some were definitely more critical than others, I don’t care enough to go back and cite, but those paying attention in here know just that. Depth moves matter, every team sustains injuries during a season. Some more than others, having a 2nd or 3rd string guy that (god forbid) you have to bring up for a week or two who can field his position is valuable. Value is not nothing. Also, minor league moves for guys who will probably never reach the majors holds value too. Can he field his position? Afterall, the Tristan Casas’s of the world need someone to throw to them, and the Marcelo Mayers of the world need someone to throw too. Minor league depth has value. And are those people good guys? With strong work ethics? After all these are people, young people, and who they surround themselves with can have a tremendous impact on who they develop to become. We’ve all seen the finished product of what this system can develop of likes of Xander Bogaerts, Mookie Betts, Rafeal Devers, and hopefully a Tristan Casas and Brayan Bello, and hopefully Miguel Bleis and Marcelo Mayer one day. Fielding good teams with good people around those guys may hold tremendous value and may be part of the reason why guys like Devers and Bogaerts are the men, and ball players they’re today. These just aren’t developing athletes they’re developing people, of highschool and college age playing away from home. These are not nothing moves, they’re just moves that don’t matter to you because you don’t see their significance. And yes, these moves were insulted far and wide across all of Sox Nation. So let’s stop with the gaslighting, I think even Red would admit many questioned these moves. I believe the term used was “dumpster diving” by many.

You are probably right. Sometimes I wish we could tap into alternate universes and host a game show were we give these people control of the Red Sox and watch them bankrupt the team.......because I don't want that s*** in my universe.

There's a difference between criticism in a healthy manner, everyone deserves it and perhaps some people deserve it more, perhaps even Bloom deserves it more. But you people or at least some of you criticize every single little thing he does. Like the man is not allowed to make any moves unless it addresses specifically what you think he should do. He can't focus on depth, a bench bat, filling out a minor league roster, or none of the stuff that every GM or director of operations in baseball do for their teams and always have done for their teams in the history of the sport. If NESN came out with a story about him tying his shoes in the morning you all be foaming at the mouth that he DARES to put his physical appearance first when the rotation is still in shambles. HOW DARE YOU BLOOM!!!! That type of criticism is not healthy, and it makes it look like it's not based on rational logical thought but rather it's an emotional response because you guys are upset your team had a bad season. Contrary to popular belief....none of us like seeing a losing season. You type and come at us like we are overreacting or as you say "very upset" but I ponder if this is an indictment of how you feel. Because here is the reality, a lot can get lost in translation on a message board, sarcasm, intent, tone etc. I'm a very sarcastic, playful, fun-loving yet BLUNT person in real life. It probably comes off a bit dickish online but I suppose it is what it is. When you say you think we are very upset....it makes me wonder if you are in fact the one getting very upset and projecting your feelings onto us. It's ok....if you ever need to talk.

I figured that’s where you were going. Which is a very fair stance to make. Bleis is very far away. Even if he’s a phenom who flys through the system like Devers/Bogaerts/Betts we don’t see him until 2025z

If we are just going to invent positions about other people I’d rather invent a persona about myself….seeing how we are just making crap up. From now on I am lord Jedi grand master of the universe. Refer to me by my title or face my wrath.

You’re a biased observer who shares his sentiment. Us “bloom lovers” have characterized our stance time and time again. We all disagree on s*** here but we don’t make up s*** about what the other side believes in to strengthen our position and feel better about ourselves. At least Dgale is polite about it, just because we don’t hate bloom and call for his head doesn’t mean we love him, agree with all of his moves and it CERTAINLY doesn’t mean we believe this can go on in perpetuity without any ramifications INCLUDING being fired. Don’t worry…I don’t expect this to resonate with you

This is a very gross mid characterization of non-bloom haters.

If you only count the world series winning years. 2004, 2007, 2013, and 2018 the Boston Red Sox have won 4 world series in the last 4 years. (Insert Sponge bob googly-eyed face meme here)

They're strictly talking about the non DD years and ignoring the fact that DD walked into a winning team Charrintong largely built. It will be awfully ironic if Bloom builds a winner, gets fired, and some other guy comes in and takes the credit. but remember, fans don't have the power to envision complex ideals like this. It's unfair but it's the world we live in. I don't completely disagree with the "BUCK STOPS HERE" mentality, but if you get too lost in it you might end up throwing the baby out with the bath water, which many in here would do in a heartbeat. You can go back forever with this. Theo got a ton of credit for the teams Duquette built.

While depth in the outfield might not be the system strong suit, the only 5-tool 8 ceiling prospect we have is a guy named Miguel Bleis. The way scouts talk about him remind me of Xander Bogaerts, when even at 17, 18 years old in the lower minors every one raved about him as being different and special. If everything breaks right, Bleis is a Mike Trout type of player. True 5 tools. GG defense, will steal bases, throw guys out, hit like a machine and hit it over the wall.

Nah, Correa doesn’t stop that, Correa isn’t going to get more than maybe 5-7 more than Bogey I’m AAV, the Sox could always have the Devers extension kick in next year saving 8-11 million in AAV this year and reset. By the time they’d need to reset again you’d have more money off the books including Sales contract. It’s ok to not want Correa, but I don’t think he stops you from resigning Devers by any means.

Bloom didn’t have that choice because they had a 45 million dollar payroll. In a year he happened to beat DD and his Red Sox. John Henry dreamed what a guy who could do that could do with a 200 million dollar payroll. Here we are 3 years later, the farm built back up and $100 million coming off the books. If people think John Henry didn’t bring Bloom in to see what he can do from here on out the haven’t been paying attention. You can disagree with it, you can hate it, but this has been what it’s all about.

Would your opinions change if the Sox won a World Series in 2023? Or 2024?

The thing is Turner and Swanson both have very weak arms. Meaning once they lose a step they will become negative at SS fast and where they can move to will be limited. I think it’s Bogaerts/Correa or bust. I’d also add Starting pitching to the free agent class. There’s a ton of mid rotation depth and we could use a couple starters.

They could hypothetically sign Senga/Correa/Taillon/Conforto plus some bullpen help without losing one pick and actually net two. That’s not a bad off-season. Edit: They could do this and stay under the luxury tax while extending Devers. They could does not equate to they willl. But there’s a lot of talent without draft pick compensation this off season.

You know what I meant. Haha

I don’t know, but we do know that the 25 people Red talked to at his gym do not like Bloom. Reminds me of an experience I had at the gym about two weeks ago. Some guy went on a rant about the government, which I won’t get into here. My point is it was easier for me to agree with him and walk away than to get into an argument or discussion I didn’t want to get into. FWIW, the brief conversation was completely unsolicited….I asked him how his day was.

Wait, you actually went around surveying people at the gym….and counted?

But to reiterate a point, everything never breaks right.