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Could a Devers extension make it easier to let Bogey walk? I just can’t see the Sox rolling into next year without one of the big four

This is check mark in the “resign Eovaldi” box

For a prolonged period of time? Not that I can remember, but we’ve seen it for short stretches before.

I’m not sure how much better that group is, Mata I have high hopes for but he might be a future stud closer too. The rest of them might be better relievers. Murphy and Walter might be good back end starters. The bar might be set a little lower as LHPers

Without additions, If a guy or two goes down we are back to Crawford and Winkowski starting again. No…just no.

I don’t think it automatically forces Whitlock back to the pen. It could, but If they do that they need to keep him there. If the Sox want to honestly give Whitlock a chance at starting they have to commit to it, pencil him in as rhe #5 guy. If everyone shows up healthy you roll out a 6 man until things work themselves out. Wouldn’t mind seeing Paxton as a swing guy, I don’t think he could handle a starter load anyways. And hypothetically Bello could start 2023 in AAA, although that’s not optimal. But you can never have enough pitching. NEVER. I want Sale 2 of (Senga/Tallion/Walker/Kluber/Eovaldi) Bello Whitlock Pivetta Paxton.

Source was Marino Pepen on IG. I don’t follow him so I don’t know how reliable he is. But If the difference is truly 50 million it’s hard to see them not reaching an agreement

Eovaldi has a career FIP of 3.83 compared to 3.80 for Taillon who also sports a better k/bb ratio because of better control. If Taillons velocity ever takes a tick back up and his K% goes up into his 30’s just like Nate did he could be solid #2 pitcher or more, I’d not he’s still a solid #3: I like Nate…I just like Taillon too. If the Sox lose out on Senga then why not Taillon/Eovaldi? Heck that might be a safer bet then going after Senga.

I just read over at Soxprospects that they’re only 50 million apart. Now I must research to see if this is based off of any actual reporting/credible sources or if it’s just some guy posting. If that’s the gap, I think it’s more probable than not they get a deal done.

What is a drop? Stats can vary year to year, Correa is still a plus defender. I don’t see any indication of a steady decline in his defense. He’s also consistently had more power, where’s Bogeys power seem to have disappeared this year. Power is a good indicator of aging well, where’s something like speed usually (but not always) is not. For that reason I’m. It sure I like Turner. If you’re trying to make the argument that Bogey is almost as good as Correa that’s fair, I think everyone agrees with you, but Correa is better. Depending on the dollar amounts, that doesn’t mean he will be a better signing in FA

Arena do got 275 at two years older than Devers. Devers is 26 and going to FA 4 years later. It’s not unreasonable for him to expect something around 275 million himself. That actually seems like a decent meeting point for both sides. 275/10 might work for both. Add in this years arb and make it 11/293

Eovaldi also comes with draft pick loss unlike all those other pitchers, making him less attractive to other teams. This might make Nate a lot cheaper than those other options. I’m opting for the upside Taillon may posses, but I like Nate back here too for the right price. Nate shouldn’t stop you from signing Senga if you wanted. I like that too.

If you take away Eovalids career years last year (I know I know cherry picking) the best season he’s ever had was a 3.3 fwar almost a decade ago. Take that year away and Taillon returns a similar value. If she projections mean anything to you Nate has that disadvantage too. I do not hate a Nate resigning. I just don’t hate Taillon/Senga/draft pick either.

I think the Red Sox have to stay close to $10 million under to account for trades and call ups if they seriously want to reset. Still plenty of money to work with

Ok, you always have struck me as one of the more intelligent posters in here. I feel like this is in reference to some asinine point a poster made on a day that I was not in here and there’s some inside joke I’m not part of….fill me in bro.

This, Bogey had a weird year. power down, average up due to extreme luck on ground balls, and his defense was only plus in the shift that is going away. I don’t think any is saying Correa isn’t the better player by far. Still, Bogey is homegrown and if the money is right should be the #1 choice. But if the moneys close, let’s say 45 million or less, the Sox should seriously consider Correa.

I apologize it’s 2-3 years younger, which still, assuming you’re trying to sign these guys for roughly 4 years that’s a big deal. Also Nate will net you a pick and those guys won’t cost you one.

ehh, both those guys can be just as good and better at their best. Yes Nathan is proven here but these guys have 4 years on him and the Sox will net a pick. If it's their second pitcher on top of either Senga or a trade I'm ok with it. Not that I hate an Eovaldi reunion, I don't.

What I don't understand is, if people really think the Sox are too cheap to sign Bogey or any of the other shorts stops where do they think the money is going to go? Do they seriously believe the Sox are going to stay significantly under the cap? This is delusional because all history and precedent as well as language coming out of the front office indicate otherwise. You can only have so many reclamation projects, eventually, they would have to start removing star prospects from the 40-man. it ain't happening, it's not a logical argument. The money is going somewhere folks. You can throw around words such as dumpster diving, or Tampa north or whatever you fancy when you get hot and bothered but your argument falls flat and short of reality. The money is going somewhere. If not Bogey, its Correa/Swanson/Turner. If it's nto a SS they're going big on pitching (DeGrom and Verlander) and if it's none of thee above they're going after Judge. What other argument is there? you think they're going to pay Franchy 1 year 70 million just to piss you off?

I think that's a guarantee, but it all comes down to price. Anyone would take Correa over Bogaerts if the money is close to even but if COrrea is getting 260 and Bogey can be had for 160 I'd go with Bogey and so would Boston.

Or if Correa is only slightly more expensive why wouldn't you take the better player and net a pick? I don't even dare to ask who your ss is. Let me guess.....some guy?

I know this is the opposite of the trend but given Devers young age and my faith in his ability to hit well into his 30s I’d give him his 300 if he’d take it in 12. I’d even have it kick in this year and lower the AAV. Sox would have the money still to go out and sign Senga + another #2#3 type, Correa, Conforto, and a reliever. That’s my dream off-season. I wouldn’t hate a Bogey reunion as well.

welcome to the 2022 pitching market. Replace Taillon with Walker or Eovaldi if you'd like.

This is why you don't pay DeGrome or Verlander 40 million. Signifcant age and injury risk aside you need two pitchers not 1. Give me Senga and Taillon. Sale Senga Taillon Bello Pivetta Whitlock Paxton If by some miracle all 7 are healthy push a guy to the pen and roll out with a 6 man to start the season. You still have enough money left over to sign Correa, Conforto and a reliever, net two picks and reset the cap.

The poll is flawed because the AAV range stays the same while the years change. If a player is taking less years he's likely demanding more AAV.