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many of those players were a disaster the following year. Kind of reminds me of the results from 2021-2022 without the sweet sweet victory of a WS.

I think depending on where a player is at is important. Devers is close to FA, hes' going to have to be offered something close to what he thinks hes' worth on the FA market. When a guy is multiple years away he has to decide if he wants to take security or bank on a payday. I can understand a team not negotiating with a guy 2-4 years away. This is the price now, take it or leave it.

Remember this is a starting point, that’s a very reasonable opening offer. I think they get something done

Baseball never has, and perhaps never will be like the NBA or the NFL where free agency starts and seemingly finishes within one week. It's a much longer offseason, and I don't expect anything to happen for at least a few more weeks. FWIW the small number of moves that have taken place have all been extensions or re-signings. No major players changing hands have occurred yet.

A lot of teams have zero rings over the past couple decades, I mean if that's the unit of measure we have the best ownership in baseball. FWIW, Bloom didn't bring anyone over, it's largely still the red sox front office +Bloom and the same ownership that has the most rings in baseball this millennium. I was about to hit the post, then I realized the audience here and realized this is going to get a lot of the rapid bloom haters all hot and bothered so let me just state this by no means defends Bloom or compels people to act is if the FO doesn't deserve criticism. But it serves as a point and in the spirit of devil's advocate. But to go back to my original post, I don't think Boston is becoming "Tampa North" but I was pointing out that that wouldn't be the worse thing given their recent track record. They're still a playoff team, and have the capacity to win the east next year, maybe even win the whole dang thing.

The guy would be equivalent to trade for a high-end closer mid-season which would make sense for a timeline. Without giving up any prospects and for almost no money. Might be worth exploring a 40 man spot on.

Alex Reyes gets non-tendered, he just seems to make too much sense did this bullpen. Does someone have naked pictures of Bloom? We need to get this done!

Tampa has made the playoffs 3 years in a row and looks poised to win the division next year. Would Tampa north really be all that bad right now???

Technically he did, but he also built it up too and used it to build up a sports empire that is still going strong. FWIW a lot of hedge funds went belly up during the financial crisis.

They weren't that down on him, they just weren't as high as everyone else and said repeatedly they thought the national media had him ranked too high. They said the same thing about Jurran Durran two years ago, in that they thought the national media had him ranked way too high. Also, Soxprospects did away with comps for a very good reason in that they completely hated them.

IDK, this feels like pure conjecture. I don't think Henry is heavily invested in it, or at least enough to change any decisions the Red Sox will make. Is there any evidence to back this up? any articles tying Henry to NFT???

That's fine, and that's great, and he can still be a valuable useful player. But this team needs 3 starting outfielders and after 2023 they have one in Verdugo and he will be a FA after that as well. This team could really use another outfielder whether via FA or trade.

On certain issues I tend to defer to Soxprospects take more than anyone. Especially on any baseball player outside of the top 50. I'm not saying they have superior scouting, they do not, but they do have more eyes on our players than anyone else. I've seen them ring the bells on guys all the time being overhyped and their fears materialized. For example, they were much lower on Lars Anderson than the national media was and they were proven correct, as they were to date with Jurran Duran as well. The opposite is true, they thought Xander Bogaerts was a high-ceiling future all-star 2 years before he made any top 100 lists (much in the mold of Bleis now). They seem to think Rafaela is being overhyped now. They still think he can be a stud, and an allstar if the bat develops, but they seem to have some concerns about his hit tool. At the very least, this should have anyone from thinking he's going to break through to the big leagues next year, or even be a staple in the lineup by 2024. He may end up just being a good 4th outfielder. I like him, but the hit tool seems to be an issue.

I have heard absolutely nothing about Henry being invested in FTX, and if he heavily was I feel that we would have heard something. It's possible he may have had a small slice of the pie, but he strikes me as a smart enough man to not put all his eggs in one basket. I think this is a non issue and pure speculation.

Yes you're correct, my bad.

Was he forced though? Aren’t they looking at buying a hockey team now? Is there any news on how invested he was if at all into FTX

This is true, there’s a lot of talent close to MLB ready For example. Mata is hardly the best pitching prospect we’ve had come through the system, and we’ve seen the likes of Henry Owens and Allen Webster get hyped up and fail. But he could be a starter or reliever for this team by the end of 2023.

I also think Mayer and Bleis are in a different league than Downs/Duran. Both figuratively and literally

I think he’s a great name to bring up if the point is to prove to guy is untouchable for the right price. Now If we wanted to entertain a legit deal for Alcantara, which I’m not, we probably have to offer Bello/Mayer/Bleis to get them to the table. If they were serious about moving him that might even get it done or something close to it. There does not seem to be any indication that Miami wants to move him however.

I think he’s close untouchable now, but also no one is ever truly untouchable. This is why I used Alcantara as an example as unlikely as he is.

That’s actually not that huge of a stretch, if Verdugo replaced Betts, Renfroe is the obvious replacement for Benny. If Teddy develops into a middle relieve, the Sox easily win that trade. The bar for that trade is very very low.

Agreed, If Mayer still looks as promising as Mayer in 2022 into 2023 he carries significantly more trade value. Which, when you look at the other high ceiling guy in our system (Bleis) who is even lower than Mayer then you make the argument that right now is NOT the time to start trading prospects. We'd be selling way too low. It would likely take Bleis/Mayer to get now what one them may net you in 1-2 years.

It's always tough looking at these lists in hindsight, remember most of the guys in this top 20 will either bust or not reach their ceilings. But we've had some stacked systems in the past with plenty of close MLB talent. https://soxprospects.com/history.htm

agree. I don't think we should or will trade Mayer as in it's unlikely. You don't just go out and trade a guy like that but there's plenty of permutations where you could and it makes sense. Everyone knows I'm one of the biggest prospect homers in here but even I know you don't fall in love with them....they will break your heart.

They’re 95 million below the cap, it’s not a guarantee they will go over or even right up against it but we know at the very least they’re spending most of that money. Precedent proves this, the money is going somewhere, we can expect big moves.