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If given a full bill of health, who do you think is the better overall player, and who will put up a better WAR in 2023?

He had an .848 OPS at Fenway, but he stunk away from home, when he played in Colorado he also had to play outside Coloroda during "away" games.

The penalties hurt, and not too long after the stud we signed tragically passed away. Daniel Flores.

Yeah but come on, one month when it's cold and on a new team? are we suggesting he's that bad and actually got better when he was hurt? We have every reason, outside of more injuries that Story is not going to bounce back and be a great player.

Most hitters perform better at home, Coor or not. Before the signing Story and Bogaerts had identical Away OPS. Actually Story had a great OPS at Fenway, his decline in offensive production was away from Fenway and was statistically much worse than it was away from COORS. Heavily suggesting his offensive slump was all about the injury he suffered in 2022. Also, despite all that he put up a 1.9 OWar vs. 2.3 for Suzuki. In a down year, with less at bats, Story was marginally worse on Offensive. The only caveat here, is that in his sophomore season Suzuki progresses and the bat gets much better. But I'd bank on both of them having a better offensive season but still....Give me the bounce back from Story with better defense at a premium position.

Up until recently the Sox seemed to do pretty good drafting in the back of the draft, of course, up until about a decade ago there were completely different rules and you didn't have financial restrictions in the draft either. Also, teams like LA have done a good job of drafting as well. Drafting is hard, if you get 2 productive MLBers in a draft you did a decent job. Sox have had some duds.

Is it really fair to say Suzuki is a better offensive player? His .770 to .740 OPS is better but not significantly better and it was during a down year for Story. I expect Story to bounce back.

Devers will get less than Judge, and is 4 years younger. This is really a no-brainer.

This is a great point, drafting has not been great for over a decade. There seems to be promise from the last couple of classes, and Casas could be good, but a handful of players in a decade is not a good look. Drafting hurts your team 4-8 years in the future, the bad drafting (as of right now) is on DD and Ben C. Although, GMs rotate in and out on this team seemingly, while a lot of personal mid level has had longer tenures here. It’s so tough to complain, ideally you’d want to advocate for a change. But for all we know they’re doing a better job now but need to wait 1-3 years to taste that fruit.

Paul Toboni is the director of amateur scouting.

No.

After the first pick GMs have almost no influence or say in prospects. Let’s just keep this in mind.

Remember when Dave got credit for not trading the right guys? I suppose that was only for Dave. Also, Blooms first year here the draft went from 40 to 4 rounds. Regardless it’s too early to Judge blooms drafts, but early returns are looking good.

I’d bet my sons life DD never even heard of Bello and Rafaela. Now Casas? He gets full credit for that. People in his position always have their hands on the first pick. But after that it’s all underneath them. Rafaela and Bello got less than 50k each. They were nobody’s, pleasant surprises from an international draft class.

Haha exhibit 1.a

A good boss takes all the blame whether or not it’s his fault. An intelligent fan base can acknowledge there’s plenty of slices of blame pie to pass around.

Applauded? Here you go again making up arguments. “when you have no argument you need to make one up”. master Jedi supreme commander of the universe.

Us DOBs (defenders of Bloom) are well within the gripes of that what was a Bloom and DD, and Charrington regimes. We just understand that the results of a team are the results of its roster, which typically expand across many regimes. The Sox came within 2 games of a World Series last year, if they had won it, we’d have acknowledge Dave deserved at least partial credit for those teams, the same way Ben Charrington had his stamp on Dave’s teams. As a matter of fact the teams Dave won with where HEAVILY built by Ben C. Really the big move that pushed them over the edge may have been Chris Sale, it was also Dave who extended him which seems like a Bone head move now, but any ramifications from that seem to be solely on Bloom. Next year, is perhaps the first year the team will be more Blooms than Daves, at least inarguably. No one denys next year is make or break. No one denys Bloom doesn’t deserve any criticism. We just don’t live in a singular black and white world were everything had to be one persons fault. The world is very grey. You guys can come over to this grey are. It’s ok, you’d have to agree with us, you can keep all your same viewpoints in this grey area….you just have to admit everything isn’t black and white.

Didn’t realize you could decipher hyperventilating through internet posts? If anything….THAT is hyperbole. But it’s a free country, you’re free to sling mud in place of actual well structured arguments all you’d like. The proof is in the pudding, they weren’t “nothing” moves they were depth moves. And some were definitely more critical than others, I don’t care enough to go back and cite, but those paying attention in here know just that. Depth moves matter, every team sustains injuries during a season. Some more than others, having a 2nd or 3rd string guy that (god forbid) you have to bring up for a week or two who can field his position is valuable. Value is not nothing. Also, minor league moves for guys who will probably never reach the majors holds value too. Can he field his position? Afterall, the Tristan Casas’s of the world need someone to throw to them, and the Marcelo Mayers of the world need someone to throw too. Minor league depth has value. And are those people good guys? With strong work ethics? After all these are people, young people, and who they surround themselves with can have a tremendous impact on who they develop to become. We’ve all seen the finished product of what this system can develop of likes of Xander Bogaerts, Mookie Betts, Rafeal Devers, and hopefully a Tristan Casas and Brayan Bello, and hopefully Miguel Bleis and Marcelo Mayer one day. Fielding good teams with good people around those guys may hold tremendous value and may be part of the reason why guys like Devers and Bogaerts are the men, and ball players they’re today. These just aren’t developing athletes they’re developing people, of highschool and college age playing away from home. These are not nothing moves, they’re just moves that don’t matter to you because you don’t see their significance. And yes, these moves were insulted far and wide across all of Sox Nation. So let’s stop with the gaslighting, I think even Red would admit many questioned these moves. I believe the term used was “dumpster diving” by many.

You are probably right. Sometimes I wish we could tap into alternate universes and host a game show were we give these people control of the Red Sox and watch them bankrupt the team.......because I don't want that s*** in my universe.

There's a difference between criticism in a healthy manner, everyone deserves it and perhaps some people deserve it more, perhaps even Bloom deserves it more. But you people or at least some of you criticize every single little thing he does. Like the man is not allowed to make any moves unless it addresses specifically what you think he should do. He can't focus on depth, a bench bat, filling out a minor league roster, or none of the stuff that every GM or director of operations in baseball do for their teams and always have done for their teams in the history of the sport. If NESN came out with a story about him tying his shoes in the morning you all be foaming at the mouth that he DARES to put his physical appearance first when the rotation is still in shambles. HOW DARE YOU BLOOM!!!! That type of criticism is not healthy, and it makes it look like it's not based on rational logical thought but rather it's an emotional response because you guys are upset your team had a bad season. Contrary to popular belief....none of us like seeing a losing season. You type and come at us like we are overreacting or as you say "very upset" but I ponder if this is an indictment of how you feel. Because here is the reality, a lot can get lost in translation on a message board, sarcasm, intent, tone etc. I'm a very sarcastic, playful, fun-loving yet BLUNT person in real life. It probably comes off a bit dickish online but I suppose it is what it is. When you say you think we are very upset....it makes me wonder if you are in fact the one getting very upset and projecting your feelings onto us. It's ok....if you ever need to talk.

I figured that’s where you were going. Which is a very fair stance to make. Bleis is very far away. Even if he’s a phenom who flys through the system like Devers/Bogaerts/Betts we don’t see him until 2025z

If we are just going to invent positions about other people I’d rather invent a persona about myself….seeing how we are just making crap up. From now on I am lord Jedi grand master of the universe. Refer to me by my title or face my wrath.

You’re a biased observer who shares his sentiment. Us “bloom lovers” have characterized our stance time and time again. We all disagree on s*** here but we don’t make up s*** about what the other side believes in to strengthen our position and feel better about ourselves. At least Dgale is polite about it, just because we don’t hate bloom and call for his head doesn’t mean we love him, agree with all of his moves and it CERTAINLY doesn’t mean we believe this can go on in perpetuity without any ramifications INCLUDING being fired. Don’t worry…I don’t expect this to resonate with you

This is a very gross mid characterization of non-bloom haters.