Hugh2
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Let’s be honest bro. No one on earth was talking about exercising that option pre 2024.
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Yes, I would expect any trade for a young player is about the future, that’s sort of the point. What muddles the waters is Grissom getting hurt this year. I also wonder what the Sox expected to get back for Sale if they figured him to be a good pitcher with one year of control left in a year they didn’t figure to compete AND he could likely get injured. Grissom is probably the expected to be an all star caliber 2nd and anything short is a bust; while I definitely had(have) my hopes on his ceiling I think that’s unfair to him. Atlanta, with probably the deepest position roster in baseball, was in the midst of turning Grissom into a utility type . If Story comes back and healthy and Mayers ready that may be what Grissom is here. But if he’s healthy and can hit that’s fine…that’s fine if he can do that for 5 years. Maybe even fill in a season or two here and there when a guy goes down. A la Brock Holt.
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I don’t think it was just about Giolito over Sale. There wasn’t a great market for up the middle defenders and the Sox had a gaping hole at 2nd base. Breslow and Bailey probably thought they could get Giolito right, and given their track record one has to wonder how good he may have been this year if he didn’t get hurt.
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Many blown saves do turn into wins, and involve relief innings where pitchers performed well. There’s also high leverage relief situation in innings where you don’t have the lead. All stats on their own are incomplete, and can’t tell you everything.
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It’s pretty well known that a taxed bullpen is a less effective bullpen. And I think everyone in here would agree with that. Of course a good bullpen is also reliant on…..well a good bullpen.
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Absof***inglutely, right now this trade doesn’t look good. Sale is much more valuable than Grissom. This trade is all about the future, and I think there are some of us who just don’t want to jump on the criticism wagon yet with that in mind. I do wonder if Breslow still makes this trade in hindsight given how Sale, and the Red Sox have performed this year.
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He literally had a nick name for him "frail sale"
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Sale was under contract for 1 year. Grissom has 6 years of team contol. You can't possibly accurately value this trade right now. That's the way the world works.
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No one believes that, it's hilarious though.
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Yeah I just don't see how we can say otherwise, our opinions are based on the biased view of how this season has unfolded. If we had Sale and Gio and he was healthy he certianly would never of gotten a shot. If he got a spot start in late May maybe he's not stretched out and not as effective and never shines like he has. I think it's a very real liklihood we never see this version of Tanner in an alternate universe.
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I could be thinking of another prospect, but I thought Fitts was that guy who actually got stronger and saw his' velo tick up as the season went on last year. He might be an option in the Sox rotation down the road this year.
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I don't disagree at all, just playing devils advocate. I'm certain there are permutations of the future where if a team really wants Fitts for a player the Sox see in their plans then he's gone. Call it a 5-25% chance he's traded.
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Is Fitts really need for next season? I don't disagree, but a trade and a signing makes him very expendable. Still, they could probably swing any trade they wanted to without him.
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Yes, my wish list consisted of trading for exactly what we traded away. If we want to make a playoff run this year, we'd want another starter, another reliever, one of those at least.....and a RHB.
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It was a joke.
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I deleted this, because for some reason I thought McNeil was RH, but I was actually thinking of reposting it again. Yeah he's not the righty you want but you take Msataka off the roster and replace him with a guy who fills in more of a hole. Senga is reportedly starting a rehab assignment soon, so he's a guy who could really add to the top of your rotation potentially going down the stretch. Yorke gives them an up the middle prospect for them at 2nd, and Alcantara gives them upside.
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We could probably trade those guys for a prospect package that we could flip for a nice #3 #4 starting pitcher who is a rental, a nice late inning arm who is a rental and maybe a back up catcher.
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The further from being a finished product a prospect is, the more useless stats are to evaluate them.
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Kopech had serious helium at that point. I think he ranked somewhere around 22 (lets see how close I am without looking it up) but that was one of the first set of rankings that came up after they trade and he had been in their system.
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Yeah but Randy is one of those guys who sees first round pick and then scouts the box scores.
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Two of those guys are definitely busts. Benintendi was good for a window of time, but he was certainly no Mookie Betts. That list makes the argument for trading prospects. Of course, it's all relative.
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Oh I know, I'm just adding because of how good he looked prior it made things look even worse. I'm rooting for the kid, but very skeptical on his future with this team.
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You're leaving out 2021. Salem: .913 Greenville: .978 Not disagreeing with you, I understand why you would leave those out but I bring them up to outline peoples expectations with those numbers at his age and with the first round pedigree were sky high going into 2022, and he was pretty horrible that year, and he was good but not great in 2023 with not so hot underlying metrics either. This year is just weird, because the numbers were not great in Portland repeating the level but reportedly the underlying metrics look better and now all of a sudden he's mashing in AAA. I find that hopeful, but it doesn't erase 2 years of poor numbers. I'm rooting for the kid, but keeping my expectations very low. If he continues to produce in AAA as a 22 year old I think his future will start to look much brighter again, but the 2021 shine is just not there anymore for him. At best he might be what Atlanta thought Grissom would be.
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It's a great way to take advantage of space you have under the cap, it's very reason why some teams when trying to stay under the cap leave that space of 10-15 million. I used to think the only thing that mattered was the luxury tax number......given recent events and words from the front office I can't say I full heartedly believe the same thing.
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Idk if we ever did, but the system was definitely top heavy like this back in 2015/2016