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Everything posted by notin
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The Sox make the World Series after downgrading to Bo Bichette?
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The rotation is extremely precarious right now. An injury to Pivetta could derail the season. That is why the Sox NEED to add at least one full time starter to the rotation.
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The Sox are already adding former Padre RHRP Trey Wingenter to the 40 man roster today. Doubtful they add Yorke was well. Possible DFAs to accommodate Wingenter include Speas, Keller, and Uwasawa...
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Then what is the point here? If the Sox had kept Sale, he would certainly be better than most if not all of their current starters. But would he get extra days off as often as he is in Atlanta? Most likely not. Would he go fewer IP/start? No idea how Cora would manage his workload or even if it would be any different than any other starter. Would he be throwing the same pitch mix? Not sure, but right now his 35% fastball rate is higher than any Sox starter except Pivetta. So we really have no idea how he would really be doing...
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Now see. If he was in Boston, this might not be the case. The Sox might have the worst starting pitcher depth in all of MLB...
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Oh no doubt. Plus efficiency with him getting there more often in fewer starts...
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I like him more as a reliever than as a starter…
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Salary is a big factor in the price tag of a player in a trade. You do know that. You were responding to a post about "going rate." Glasnow does have a pretty questionable injury history. But as he is significantly younger, some teams might think that makes him less of a risk over a 35yo pitcher. But worth noting - the Dodgers gave up a younger pitcher who already had TJ to acquire him. (Although I'm fairly certain about half the pitchers in the Dodger system have already had one TJ.) The Dodgers did give him a very heavy contract. Five years - $136mill. Certainly shorter than a pitcher with less injury history would have gotten, but it is for a notable AAV. And it still might burn them. I mean, the Dodgers did have a chance to get in on Sale. and clearly wouldn't even go as high as Vaughn Grissom...
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Of course, if we look at number of pitches thrown - the real thing they try to limit - Houck stands at 1,687. Crawford has 1,583. And Sale is right behind him at 1,541...
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And yet both Houck and Crawford have more IP than Sale...
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According to B-R, Crawford has 18 starts, but according to Fangraphs, he has 19. Interesting.
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If you look at Sale's Most Similar By Age, it's been guys like Stephen Strasburg and Lance Lynn lately. Not perfect comps, but not ridiculous ones either. Tyler Glasnow might be a ridiculous comparison. He is not only 5 years younger, but also only made $5.3mill last season. And while he did return a top 100 prospect to Tampa, that pitcher has already had one TJ surgery himself...
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I saw it. They're giving extra rest to their starters especially during stretches where they have 5 or 6 games in a row. Is that helping? It certainly seems that way, since they have two starters headed to the All Star game who have not been full time starters since 2019 and who have combined for barely more IP total in the past 4 years than Giolito has had in the past two all by himself. Now my point is if Sale was in Boston, would he be getting this same treatment? And if not, how would that effect his performance here? (Yes, he would still be better than Cooper Criswell. But would he be in Cy Young talks and a solid frontrunner for Comeback Player of the Year?)
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Well what is the going rate for 35yo pitchers who've only managed 150 IP in the past 4 years?
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I'm sticking with Tyler Anderson and Paul DeJong as my choice of realistic targets. I suppose Anderson could push himself out of the Sox range. Put Winckowski back in the bulllpen to help out there...
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I thought we established that was irrelevant. The bottom line is Sale would not be treated this way if he was still in Boston...
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They’re clearly babying Sale in a way the Sox couldn’t. Good for them as it’s working…
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You need to be Justin Steele to make it work with such a limited arsenal…
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It might raise concerns but it shouldn’t lead to conclusions. It could be as simple as making adjustments, which is harder to do in 323 PAs spread out over 3 years than if they were all in one. He’s 23 years old, and he’s got limited MLB action spread out over 3 years. Why are you trying to draw conclusions from this extremely limited data?
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But then he went down and they didn’t replace him. That was a definite issue…
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I think they moved him figuring they’re probably not going to get their IP from him, and someone had to go to fit a SP who can into the budget. But they clearly liked Grissom as well, and had to pay more cash to get him in return. Of course it didn’t help that they will get 0 IP from the guy they expected to provide 150-180 IP…
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Or just play DeJong since his best attribute isn’t his bat…
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Adding another starter would have been nice for Boston. I’ve repeatedly listed some MLB vet talent that settled for MiLB deals. No idea why Boston just avoided them all. Let me explain my point. An MLB season is about 1450 innings. A good goal for a team is to have the rotation pitch 800-850 innings, leaving the remaining IP for the bullpen. Sale in recent years has not been much for innings, with about 150 from 2029 thru 2023. If the Sox counted on Sale, and he only pitched 40 IP, they have fewer arms to handle that remaining 760-810 IP. The Braves, as shown by the 13 names listed previously, have many more arms to pick up that difference…
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Sale obviously makes the Sox that much better. But they simply couldn’t count on him. Giolito looked worse in every way but one - he has had superior durability to Sale. I suspect that was the goal here…
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At the beginning of the year, they had Strider, Fried, Morton, Lopez, Sale, Elder, Waldrep, Dodd, Vines, Smith-Shawver, Schwellenbach, Ynoa, and Winans. Their system is also working quite well for Reynaldo Lopez. That’s 13 starting pitchers. Who are the Sox top 13?
