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If the Sox could do that, it would be awesome…
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Does this bother people? Sometimes I think people want the Sox to spend more than they want the Sox to win…
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6/23 SOX @ Reds 1:40PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Duran is 5th in fWAR among AL outfielders. Wong leads AL catchers in fWAR. If you like fWAR as a measure of worthiness for the All Star game, Wong is a no brainer to make the team. Duran would also deserve it, but his spot could be lost to some players who is a sole team rep… -
6/23 SOX @ Reds 1:40PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
I can see it if they decide to become sellers for some reason. But I hope if they’re in it they go for it… -
Unless Sale got hurt. I mean, if I asked you in January for a prediction for IP for 2024 for Sale and Giolito, whose would be higher? Granted, I do believe with no evidence that the Sox don’t sign Giolito unless they move Sale…
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So you only buy into the parts of Bailey’s philosophy that work? (This sounds condescending up front, but I would state the majority of sports’ fans have similar thoughts about some aspect of something the front office does.)
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I think the days of $200mill payrolls are over for a while. It’s possible Henry frees up the cash if remaining cheap does not produce winning teams at some point. But if they win cheaply, it absolutely pushes that date back. And I think Henry will go through multiple front offices to find someone who can win cheaply before he reinstated lofty payrolls again…
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Why not? Sale and Kluber had a lot in common. Two aging pitchers who once dominated the AL but both pitching sparingly in recent years due to a combination of age and injury…
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It is, but is it wrong? I never thought about whether or not Sale fit their system; I just didn’t like having every season depend him only to be let down. Your argument is it was solely done for financial reasons. I actually didn’t like that one because the Sox contributed so much money and got a prospect they liked in return as opposed to just dumping the entire contract with minimal to nothing coming back. Given this new viewpoint, do you still feel trading Sale was unnecessary?
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So if the Sox re-signed Kluber, would you have liked or disliked it?
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Couldn’t help but notice you didn’t answer this.
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It’s not gibberish. If the Sox dealt Sale last year and used the money to sign a pitcher more durable than Kluber, do you still feel that way? They have Ben burned in tjs plan multiple ways. Giolito falling apart. Grissom never showing up. Sale being electric. Given the season to date, certainly Breslow doesn’t make this deal. But he didn’t have the data and eventssince February to make this decision.
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I wasn’t looking at it financially. I meant from a pitching depth perspective. The Sox lost out on Sale for most of the 4 previous seasons, and had no replacement ready for this despite it becoming a repeated inevitability. The Braves had a slew of young pitchers, the bulk of were MLB ready but inexperienced. If they didn’t want to rely on any of Waldrep, Smith-Shawver, Elder, Schwellenbach, Vines, or Dodd for a full season, Sale was a good option to take. Unlike the Sox, they didn’t need Sale to stay healthy all season. Because they had the arms behind him the Sox didn’t have. So yes, their depth put them in a better position to gamble on Sale…
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What pitcher represents a better gamble? Pitcher A - 37yo with 240IP over the 3 previous seasons, including 164IP the season before? Pitcher B - 35yo with 150IP over the 3 previous seasons, with a high of 102IP over that stretch?
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I don’t like ERA, but when it is within 0.05 of FIP, it shouldn’t be ignored. Of course, fWAR and bWAR are bad ways to summarize his healthy return in 2023, because those are season-long accomplishments and 60% of his season was before the latest injury. If you’re insisting he finished 2023 healthy, how do you summarize it without including the larger chunk from before he was hurt? Or do you just ignore the injury and pretend it was obvious?
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In mine, they lost that gamble 4 times already…
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They took a gamble they could afford to take. Or, in your world, they saw 40 healthy IP from a 4.00 ERA pitcher and thought “he’s back!!”
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6/22 SOX @ Reds 4:10PM ET
notin replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Keep up your Sox winning streak… -
We’ve seen that before. Sale finished 2021 healthy and even pitched in the postseason. And still only last 5 innings the next year…
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Trading either of them will require a really specific situation…
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If the Sox are selling, Jansen, Pivetta, Refsnyder and Martin are the most desirable targets. If they’re buying, I do wonder who they are able to part with…
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There were a few others. Given Sale’s complete vanishing act since 2019, why? Even if he was actually healthy, it’s been 6 years since we’ve seen this. No one saw that, except the delusional and the liars…
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I think Randy thinks he’s the only one who saw how that trade has turned out…
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I think he’s going to struggle to break that 140 IP limit…
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I like Bello. He will be fine…
