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He’s made way more than Betts, and when he sells the team, let’s talk.
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Are you appalled at how much JH makes?
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…and not Flaherty?
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… and maybe a bit luckier on the Sale trade.
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The more we win, the harder it will be for JH to insist on selling.
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7/02 SOX @ Marlins 6:40PM ET
moonslav59 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Very satisfying win. Almsor everyone scored or knocked in a run. Crawford put up some nice numbers. We need him back on track to keep this going. -
Cespedes promoted to Salem.
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Maybe we try to get Kopech back. Just thinking of nonsplash trades, something maybe more possible.
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The Rays May trade Zach Eflin, a SPer Bloom made an offer to a couple years back. His contract seems designed for a Ray’s trade: he’s owed $18M in 2025 on his $40M/3 deal. I’d prefer a deal like this to a 2 month rental, despite the higher return needed. A good rental might be trading for Flaherty from the Tigers.
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I get the risk: I still take Casas. Vlad is not a sure bet, either.
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Wink was a trade acquisition from tge Beni deal. I forgot about him.
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Was it wise to sign Richards and Kluber? Both had been great or very good pitchers for extended times, but has been injured often or recently before their signings? Both had hardly pitched in previous seasons. Not many liked the signings at the time, and nobody liked them in hindsight. Had we signed Sale to a $27M/1 deal, last winter, how many posters would have been happy with yet another gamble at nearly 3x what Kluber or Richards cost? Be honest with yourself. How about Sale at $10M/1? (With or without another addition like Gio?) I think the FO got fed up with hoping injured pitchers might regain form AND give 150+ IP in the upcoming season. Hell, even the recent SPer additions that kinda worked out never gave us both. Wacha and Hill pitched okay but no 150+ IP. Perez gave us IP but not quality pitching. Pivetta came closest, but is really just a decent #4.
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Max, we’ve had the worst 2B WAR over the last 3-4 years, combined. Let’s not pretend we knew Valdez, DHam and others was going to change that. Let’s not pretend we knew Story was going to play150+ games at SS. Let’s not count on Mayer while saying we were dumb to count on Grissom. Our FO attempted to fix our worst position on paper and felt they stabilised the rotation with a more durable SPer. Gio got hurt makes the FO dumb? Sale surprising everybody in the world makes Brez dumb? Grissom surprising almost everyone makes Brez dumb?
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Buying at the deadline is almost always for rentals and rarely for long term improvement. I hope we end up being buyers, but a lot can happen in the next4 weeks. If somehow we could find someone to trade us a SPer under control for 2025 and 2026, I’d consider dealing a top prospect, hopefully not from the big 3 or Cespedes and K Campbell.
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Agreed, but for some it’s not so much in hindsight. They hated the trade from day one, for various reasons. Even I was highly sceptical, at first but eventually saw the reasoning behind the trade. Of course the trade looks awful now, but it was a clear attempt to add stability to the staff while making a major attempt at fixing the god-awful 2B situation we have had for 3-4 years, all for about $7M net, less if you factor in cutting salary with the Verdugo, Urias and Schreiber deals in the overall scheme of the winter spending budget. (The O’Neill trade added some.)
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I’d rather have Casas for just 2024 than Vladdy. No way I would trade Casas for a rental.
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He did look more likely to be healthy in 2024 than some previous seasons, but there were just so many times he let us down, that I had reached the point of having very little hope or confidence he’d pitch over 100-120 IP at even a 3.50 ERA. This from a poster who defended the Sale extension for over 2-3 years- remember my point about the 5 year deal still being okay knowing he’d likely just give us 4 seasons. I probably had more faith in Grissom than most, and his book is far from finished (maybe) I can understand how many feel any move giving up a pitcher for an everyday player could make any sense for the Sox, who pretty much had its biggest winter need in the rotation. But, I do think the Sale savings were used to justify the Gio signing. When that part backfired, too, it only made the deal look more stupid.
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Yes but later I started to see the reasoning of getting 5 years of a promising 2Bman, a position where we were like the worst for 3-4 year, for a guy we rolled the dice and lost for 4 straight years. Of course, in hindsight, the deal failed on many levels, at least for now on some parts, but there was some logic to the choices made.
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And Brez did not easily about to brush off Sale’s recent 4 year history. He thought he was stabilising the rotation, but if failed on 3 sides at once: Gio out for the yr Sale pitching like Chris Freakin’ Sale Grissom looking like Jeter Downs the second
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I made myself very clear all through the winter I was not happy with our winter moves on pitching. That does not mean I think the Sale deal “made no sense at all.” I was not a Gio fan but appreciated the effort to go more than$10M/1. It was a major swing and miss but an effort, nonetheless. I was the guy that wanted 3 SPers added and guys like Whitlock and Crawford starting in the pen. I knew it would never happen but I thought maybe 2 would be nice. I had hoped for Lugo and Imanaga but also liked the idea of Monty or Gray. We fell way short of my wishes. I’d probably have given the totality of our rotation moves a 2.
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There is a lot of luck involved, too. That’s not to say mistakes were not made. I was not a big Gio fan, but I never expected less than 150 IP, let slo e zero!
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IMO, K Campbell is at least our number 8 prospect, and anyone under him could be trade at the deadline for a rental. I would not consider trading a top 8 for any rental.
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Saw the Alex Speier headline on the Sox big three being close to promotions to AAA. I’m kind of expecting 2 or 3 to be promoted, any day.
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IMO, last winter produced some very good SPer signings, many the under the radar types, like Lugo, Imanaga and several others. Some had lower AAVs than Gio. Of course this is hindsight, but many of us advocated for some of the mid level deals that could have been made while keeping us under the tax line. These lost chances may have also brightened the next season or two, as well. It didn’t have to be all about 2024.
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I agree, but my point was that JH is not doing anything new, here. The bigger change over the last 5 years is that 5-6 other teams decided to go nutty on spending.
