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Eddy it sounds like maybe you have seen Moncada. Although it is premature, I think comparing him to the best in the game physically and offensively is not much of a stretch. Once they figure out where they are going to use him, I think that anything he might lack defensively he will much more than make up for on the offensive side. He is my only untouchable prospect. If he had a place to play and was remotely competent at it, he would be changing his address very soon.
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For what it is worth, i would trade anyone not named Moncada in our system for that on young starting pitcher. (He just isn't out there right now) I would not give much for Hill I'm afraid. The arguement about the redundancy of position players i guess i just don't get. The organization has an obligation to play their best players. It is their job to put them on the field.
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i like our outfield with JBJ and Betts in it going forward. So I guess to answer your question, no I would not substitute JBJ for Benintendi. I would say that the only player that I would not trade in our minor league system though for the right guy would be Moncada. I get that both Espinoza and Koppech are projected highly. the key word here is projected. They are both a long way away plus I like the young cost controlled starting pitcher who is already experiencing some success at the big league level to the player who really hasn't shown much just yet at the minor league level. I'm like most of us all but if it took one of those two plus to get the right arm, I wouldn't think twice about it. The bigger question i think is what young cost controlled young arms are even available. I'm guessing that DD adds a 4/5 and doesn't give away a great deal in the process.
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I tend to agree with you in general but calling Travis redundant in the system? Who isn't? I would not trade either Devers or Travis for Hill. Maybe we wouldn't get him. Oh well. We have just a small sample of Travis so far. I like what I saw. He can hit.
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I'm kind of on the same page as Papi when it comes to Fernandez and Encarnarcion though. It's just a dream for sure but if I found out tomorrow that Benintendi and a healthy package of prospects could pry Fernandez out of Miami's death grip, I would be on board for sure. If it meant substituting Moncada for Benintendi, I would not do it.
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Got it and i agree with you. I'm a little defensive because I believe that Moncada is a potential once in a generation type player. I'm very serious when I say that I really don't remember a player with the combination of skills that this kid has in our system. I also think that Benintendi could be very very good.
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I see no reason to "rush" Moncada to the big club. i also see no reason to "rush" our second best prospect either.
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07/10 Sox vs. Rays - Break out the brooms.
cp176 replied to Spudboy's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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That is too bad. I think that a lot of people would be saying a great deal more about Moncada if they actually had a chance to see him. Even just once! I've been involved in athletics forever and he is the real deal.
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David Arias!!! Very, very cool. They new even then that he might be special. Thanks for that link.
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This is where I guess i should be venting. Trade anyone of our prospects (not currently with the club) to get that totrp if you think we need one. I think that we already have our number 1 though. Just don't trade this kid! He is special. i haven't given this a lot of thought but right off the top, i can't think of anybody that I have seen in a Sox uniform that looks like he might have more to offer than this kid. Size, strength, power, speed. There is no reason to rush him. We are in pretty good shape. When they decide what to do with him and where he can help us the most, I cannot wait to see what he can do. he is as ready to go as any of our prospects.
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That's about as well as I can do these says. i can't even give anybody hell anymore!
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Believe it or not, every now and then, these guys actually try to have a little fun here. If your feelings are hurt, that's one thing, but if you truly have any question about the baseball acumen of most of the regulars who have posted here for awhile, you are really mistaken.
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It really is all good. I'll admit it - I am on the Moncada bandwagon. i like Benintendi a great deal but he is built very much like Jerry Remy was in his younger days. I think that he has the potential to be very good. i think that Moncada has the ability to be better than that. I would be stunned if they moved Benitendi and at least didn't do something with Moncada. I understand that Benintendi's path to the big club looks clearer than Moncada's. I guess I just have a problem with that.
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Pretty sad don't you think when you have a kid as talented as Moncada and blocking him is a choice you make.
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They don't operate in a vacuum. They actually have no need to even consider making a Benintendi move at this time. it is only fan yammering when it comes to moving this kid at this time.
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If this were true, Moncada would already have been playing a different position by now. It is not just about filling gaps at all. It is all about drafting and developing the best available athletes. Moncada is a once in a generation potential athlete. Benintendi is potentially a very good player. There is one hell of a difference.
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I agree with your point of view here. To date, we have heard not even a whisper about moving Benintendi. All fan conjecture. I don't think that these two prospects need to be treated the same necessarily but I do think that sooner as opposed to later they do have to start thinking about what they will do with Moncada going forward. Easy for Benintendi- no thought required. Moncada is a different story but he may be on a different level than Benintendi. When you see them in Portland, I will be interested to hear about your first impressions. I have already expressed mine and they are pretty clear.
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You and I and Spud know that batting averages, rbi's , and pitcher's win loss records as well as era's as things from a bygone era. When is Dombrowski going to wake up and figure this out? ( Just a joke a folks - it's all good.) I like our new GM!
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Pleases me to see that I'm not alone in thinking that there is more to this than just a simple Benintendi move. I'll say it one more time, if there is any thought at all to moving Benintendi, I would be very surprised if Moncada was to stay put. I suppose it is possible that the thinking is that Benintendi can make the plays at the ml level and that Moncada is just not ready. I would still be surprised if either was moved right away. That being said, you just never know what might happen from a trade perspective.
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I really hope that you are right. he deserves the next opportunity.
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Ok - all is well - I guess that my primary point is that I think that Moncada is the bigger prize here. My opinion I'll admit. I think that outside of playing a position that makes sense to the franchise, he is our top prospect going forward. I get the fact that you fill a space based upon need, I just don't ultimately see the sense in Moncada being used as a second baseman. It sounds as though many posters expect Benintendi to be a part of our outfield at least by 2017. if that is the case, it would just amaze me if a potential star like Moncada was playing in the minors so that he could learn a position that he will not be playing for some time in Boston. I'm suggesting that if Benintendi gets moved early (which I don't want to see happen), it would make more sense to trade Moncada as opposed to letting him hang around in our minor league system until there is a place to use him. If Moncada gets traded, we will all be very sad.
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I guess you must be assuming that I don't know that Benintendi is an outfielder and that Moncada is a second baseman. I do. You obviously missed my point. Moncada is every bit as ready to play at the same level as Benintendi. You obviously missed my point. You are all excited about moving up a prospect while at the same time you would leave quite possibly a better prospect in the minors stuck in a position that he won't be playing in Boston for quite some time. Point being - If you move a prospect like Benintendi up I would think that you might start searching for a way to get your best prospect on the right path soon.
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I don't see the need to rush Benintendi at all. If the Red Sox decide to move him up to the big club, before Sept. at the earliest, I would be pretty surprised. It also brings up the question of what about Moncada? Offensively, and from a physical perspective, he is as ready if not more so than Benintendi. Hard to imagine Benintedi in the immediate future plans and not Moncada. Sorry for questioning the logic of the organization, but Moncada at second base just doesn't make sense to me. If he was behind Benintendi well then maybe - but he isn't.