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6/29 Jays vs Sox
Bellhorn04 replied to SPLENDIDSPLINTER's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
Devers refused, it's pretty simple. No need for head spinning. -
Wow, until now I underestimated how much this is a racial thing for you.
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They actually won 3 of their first 4 without Devers. Weirdly enough, the Red Sox and Giants are both 4-7 since the trade.
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bWAR disagrees. Campbell had a bWAR of -0.9 in 263 PA. Hamilton's is +0.2 in 116 PA. fWAR disagrees somewhat with bWAR. Campbell -0.2 Hamilton -0.3
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It's really hard for Cora or Breslow or any of them to just flat out tell us what they really think, because if they say the wrong thing we'll hang them for it! Twilight of his career, bridge year, full throttle... Cora made that statement about the 'third base promise' coming from Bloom, and he has taken plenty of flak for saying that. I don't blame these guys for being very careful what they say...
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I believe a lot of it is based on the theory that it keeps players from being worn out at the end of the season. I agree that the fact that it also gets bench players some time adds to it making sense.
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We're all just playing the guessing game here...
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I hope that takes care of the issue for you and it's all good going forward.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Me too. Priester has 'bad peripherals', say those who still like the trade...we'll see how it plays out. -
When I say it was a big problem I'm looking through the hindsight filter of Raffy being traded. However it went down, the team clearly thought Raffy had become a big problem.
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Certainly nice to see Anthony get 3 hits, regardless of who they were off.
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Blowout games never tell us much. According to ChatGPTCaptainObvious, blowout wins generally occur because a) the opposing starter doesn't have his good stuff; and b) the opposing manager tosses in the towel on a lost game and sends out his scrub relievers.
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The Sox are certainly not blameless in this, but I think when one of your best and highest paid players is resistant to authority it's going to be a big problem, period. It was a problem with Manny, they got through it for years and won 2 rings with him, but in 2008 enough became enough and they traded him. In 2003, infamously, the Sox put Manny on waivers. At the 2005 trade deadline it was reported that the Sox were offering Manny in trade. I was actually at the game on July 31, 2005 when Manny emerged from the dugout in the bottom of the 8th to a big ovation, having not been traded, and produced a game-winning pinch-hit RBI single.
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Quite possible. I think most of us view Brez's moves through the filter of total results, which are still under .500 in his tenure. If Giolito helps lead us to a playoff spot this year much will be forgiven. Might be stupid but that's kind of how it goes when you're the CBO of the Sox.
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I highly doubt that Breslow would have even considered 'ordering' Cora to 'order' Devers to play 1B, because I think it's more of a co-operative relationship than that. I can certainly buy that Cora thought it might be better to ease Devers into the idea, and Breslow decided it was time to try the direct approach. What I'd really like to know is if anyone thinks the best idea would have been for Cora to go hard-ass about it, to tell Devers that unless he put on a first baseman's mitt on he was riding the pine?
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The facts of the story got mangled, but in December 1919 Frazee was in fact producing a play called "My Lady Friends", and that play was the basis for the musical "No No Nanette".
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You really find it hard to get through a post without firing Cora. And your accusation about Cora playing his favorites makes no sense.
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Interesting parallel here - you have always supported Grady leaving Pedro in in 2003, because you thought Pedro was our best shot, even though it was reported that when Theo met with Grady before the game Theo told him Pedro had to be pulled at 105 pitches regardless.
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Devers was reluctant about both moves, that's not in question. The only question is whether there was any better way to deal with his reluctance. The only alternative I'm seeing anyone present is to go hard-ass, lay down the law on where he's playing. We don't know how that would have gone, it's just really hard to picture it going well. Devers is saying he was disrespected, the hard-ass approach would only be more disrespectful.
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You're jumping to all kinds of conclusions with very little evidence, moon. We have no idea exactly what Cora said or didn't say to Devers, or what exactly prompted Breslow to have a one-on-one meeting with Devers to address the first base question. Maybe Breslow got impatient about it. We know the meeting didn't go well. And then the second meeting with Henry, Devers and Cora apparently didn't either. Maybe the moving to first base thing was just doomed from the start, because Devers thought he was being jerked all over the place. The bottom line is it turned out disastrously, but we have so little information on which to properly assign blame. We're all just guessing and we all have our biases.
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Max, I think you make too much out of trying to 'isolate' the problem. Our offense has lost us plenty of games. We've lost 6 in a row, 2 of them were by scores of 3-2. It's very easy for a team to be bad in multiple areas.
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Well, Breslow asked and Devers refused and they traded him, so it seems like the right things were done, I guess.
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A Realistic View of the 2025 Red Sox: Part II
Bellhorn04 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
The mad as hell part would be true, the not going to take it any more part would be a big fat lie. -
Really hard to know exactly what they were thinking. You also have the fact that the offer to Bregman was well below the offer he got from Detroit, so they had good reason not to be certain they would land him. As usual with the Sox dramas there are plenty of questions that will probably never be answered.
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But we have no idea exactly what Cora said to Devers. And we know that Devers accepted the move to DH and was in fact hitting very well. So what did Cora do wrong there?
